destroyerofassholes

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NBV They don't want to have the manticore stuff "in your face" through main story, because there is people that doesn't want that kind of stuff. Then have the degenerates unlock it through Pandora by choice if they so desire. So no idea why you say you can't unlock optional mantic scenes, when they all optional to unlock to start with?

People can critique the development on a game, mechanics and so forth. You can hope they do listen to such, but end of the day its their game, and they make it the way they want too. Your choice is to play it or find something else. You come across excessive salty with something that happened 3 months ago. Seem to not really consider anything they stated in recent statements.
I think his issue is less the criticism of the game but the unprofessionalism of FOW's members, who banned the dude with nothing to show for it, proven by the fact that another, higher up manager unbanned him and even apologized for it. I'm actually okay with Pandora, but his post isn't just about that.

You didn't read the post at all and you're just disregarding it disingenuously just to defend this company who doesn't care about you. It's like talking to a brick wall. Like man, I get that you like the game, but at least give the post a chance lol. This is not some dumbass us versus them situation. Please go back and just read his post properly.

FOW themselves literally admit they fucked up in this situation and you STILL blame the guy.

And you don't even get paid for this. FOW can literally, actually, completely say "we did a wrong thing" and you just won't accept it. I don't- I just can't. Just wtf.
 
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Joshua Tree

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It's their game that the community funded. Nobody is saying that they absolutely have to listen to every form of critique, but this kind of excuse is absolutely stupid. Also, nice job missing the point of the post. It was to show that their staff have been going out of their way at times to drown out some discussion they don't like, even to the point of being abusive in their moderation ability. Then again, why am I surprised. The whole "play it or find something else" pretty much sums up what kind of fanboy you are for game devs. Seriously, did you really just post that?
Community funded.. Kickstarter got them so far.. Early access get them rest of the way. Buying into a kickstarter project have no guarantee you end up get what you want or expect. If people doesn't know what buy into a kickstarter entails, or buy a early access game, that on them though.

They been asking for feedback and critique, there is a own thread for it on the steam forum. When people keep post threads outside of that feedback thread I seen mods ask them to please post in the feedback thread. I seen mods restrain themselves and warn people several times as well before bans been dished out.

Just because they stated they received feedback and listened to it to improve on aspects of the game, doesn't mean they necessary want to scrap other things. No matter if you person number 5000 standing in line crapping on a feature.

Don't need to be fanboy of anything for saying if people doesn't like something then go find something else to do that they do like? There is other games on this site where threads blow up and people bashing on one thing or the other and x game is better than y game etc. Like who the f cares, play whatever you want too.
 

destroyerofassholes

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Community funded.. Kickstarter got them so far.. Early access get them rest of the way. Buying into a kickstarter project have no guarantee you end up get what you want or expect. If people doesn't know what buy into a kickstarter entails, or buy a early access game, that on them though.

They been asking for feedback and critique, there is a own thread for it on the steam forum. When people keep post threads outside of that feedback thread I seen mods ask them to please post in the feedback thread. I seen mods restrain themselves and warn people several times as well before bans been dished out.

Just because they stated they received feedback and listened to it to improve on aspects of the game, doesn't mean they necessary want to scrap other things. No matter if you person number 5000 standing in line crapping on a feature.

Don't need to be fanboy of anything for saying if people doesn't like something then go find something else to do that they do like? There is other games on this site where threads blow up and people bashing on one thing or the other and x game is better than y game etc. Like who the f cares, play whatever you want too.
Still didn't read his first post, did you?
 
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NBV

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I don't think I've ever seen so much fuss over a game I'm sure 99% of people here didn't pay for :LOL:
I did.
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People just like unnecessary drama. There's nothing you can do about that unfortunately.
Kind of messed up to denounce any point people are trying to make by referring to it as people just wanting drama, no? I paid for the game and want it to do well. The characters are hot and the models are sexy. It's just extremely disappointing to hear that the game right now is mostly 7-8 second animation loops with no context story behind them. Isn't that a little disappointing to you? The devs haven't actually addressed whether they'd make them longer or do any extreme changes to them being 7-8 second loops. They've instead only talked about making changes related to how you'd unlock them, or if they'd be adding more soon. Getting over 20 new sex scenes next patch is great, but if 16 out of the 20 are just 10 second loops again... what are we really looking forward to?
 

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Kind of messed up to denounce any point people are trying to make by referring to it as people just wanting drama, no? I paid for the game and want it to do well. The characters are hot and the models are sexy. It's just extremely disappointing to hear that the game right now is mostly 7-8 second animation loops with no context story behind them. Isn't that a little disappointing to you? The devs haven't actually addressed whether they'd make them longer or do any extreme changes to them being 7-8 second loops. They've instead only talked about making changes related to how you'd unlock them, or if they'd be adding more soon. Getting over 20 new sex scenes next patch is great, but if 16 out of the 20 are just 10 second loops again... what are we really looking forward to?
You mention the scenes being added, but not the part after that from the most recent Dev blog:

"Over 50+ new Pandora scenes are being added in the Ela update, including more for existing girls like DEMI , Lily and Killi. Futa fans will be pleased as there’s a some really cracking futa scenes in this batch! All the while, we are also working on the next evolution of the Pandora system which will launch AFTER this particular Ela Update."

They heard ya'll and they're working on it. So there isn't much ya'll can do at this point but just speculate. This was the benefit of early access, they get feedback and can adjust accordingly. If it takes time it takes time.
 

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Coming to this topic from time to time to see how much of a dumpster fire it is is becoming more and more a guilty pleasure for me.
 

Joshua Tree

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Then I would love to ear your student's thoughts about the time it take for a professional entire studio to make one 7 second animated loop, thanks you
Just disregard everything else that make the entire game right? Just the focus on such a loop? All the other movie sequences that part of the story etc, take no time or effort right?
 

Joshua Tree

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download a zip program like 7ZIp/Winrar, and then select all the files, right click, and then unzip it all to one folder
Just right click the first file in the folder, and select extract and it will just extract everything. At least when use like winrar.
 

IG88a

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Just disregard everything else that make the entire game right? Just the focus on such a loop? All the other movie sequences that part of the story etc, take no time or effort right?
Yeah, it's kind of an important loop. The MAIN GAMEPLAY LOOP of your porngame having no porn is a foundational problem. Why the game is bad. And boy do you not want us to lay back into the rest of the game.

Prerendered Cinematics
>Not porn
>unplayable on most systems due to the games poor optimization

They're so inconsequential to the "plot" it doesn't matter most players haven't even watched them due to the ram-buffer-loading issues that make them freeze and stutter out regardless of system specs. Product of their bloated, unoptimized, mess of a game.
Doesn't matter how pretty they may be, most aren't voiced and are just panning shots of random environments or explosions anyway. It was entirely wasted effort. Muh cinematics don't excuse 3 second liverendered loops for the games actual content.

Gameplay
>Xcom far worse than 1993 and the games it's copying, cobbled out of pre-purchased game assets where enemy units spawn on any free tile behind your lines
>Bullet hell only made "challenging" by game breaking bugs like spawning ships out of the physical bounds of the map.
>Upgrades not being required for either game type; no difficulty progression of needing new units or ship upgrades to even unlock, let alone actually win, any game mode.

You don't even need the new mantic unlocked to access their Pandora scenes. And where did the random ayy lmaos come from to fuck your girls? GG continuity we literally never knew you.
>Gold-bronze ranking that doesn't change your reward payout and isn't tracked anywhere. Gold for a near total party wipe or bronze for taking no damage all battle because it isn't attached to any metric.
Because ranking was just part of the asset pack, not part of their game design.
>Combat on a planet not being repeatable, meaning to get maximum PP points per girl you have to play with their shitty alt fires in space combat to farm points to feed into pandora.

The only thing that could have salvaged the "effort" as you call it would have been competent VN relationsim elements in the actual main game loop. That isn't there, at all, thanks to the "pandora system" copout. Simple as, but good luck getting that tidbit past their community managers.

If everything about the combat-exploration gameplay loop was 110% on point, the pandora system would still suck. People would still say it's a bad porngame. Hell, they may even have said it would have been better without being a porngame at all if the game was good in spite of it.
But no, the Combat gameplay loop is terrible freeware crap, making the Pandora system all the worse. Same goes for the prerendered cinematics. They make the actual PORN look worse. A perfect storm showing that they didn't know how to make a game, let alone a porn game, and apparently have no intention of trying.

The fact that this is you guys' attempt to circle the wagons in the face of clear evidence sycophantic community mods are actively silencing any form of criticism on their official media platforms, trying (if the core of FOW is truly staffed by idiots) to maintain the façade everything is fine to their higher ups while alienating their backers and paying customers, is telling.
 
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Joshua Tree

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Yeah, it's kind of an important loop. The MAIN GAMEPLAY LOOP of your porngame having no porn is a foundational problem. Why the game is bad. And boy do you not want us to lay back into the rest of the game.
Kinda funny though because FOW said they are "NOT making a porn game", they making A GAME with content for adults. Maybe you missed what they said about that part...
 

IG88a

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Kinda funny though because FOW said they are "NOT making a porn game", they making A GAME about a guy with little girls panties on his face who farms Xcom and smup bullethell segments to get the secondary currency that lets him watch sex scenes unconnected to the main game loop he's sometimes in. Maybe you missed what they said about that part...
"It's not a bad porn game, you should judge the game on it's merits as an actual game with porn elements" is not the top tier biggbrain defense you think it is.

Maybe you missed what I said about that part...
>Xcom far worse than 1993 and the games it's copying, cobbled out of pre-purchased game assets where enemy units spawn on any free tile behind your lines
>Bullet hell only made "challenging" by game breaking bugs like spawning ships out of the physical bounds of the map.
>Upgrades not being required for either game type; no difficulty progression of needing new units or ship upgrades to even unlock, let alone actually win, any game mode.

You don't even need the new mantic unlocked to access their Pandora scenes. And where did the random ayy lmaos come from to fuck your girls? GG continuity we literally never knew you.
>Gold-bronze ranking that doesn't change your reward payout and isn't tracked anywhere. Gold for a near total party wipe or bronze for taking no damage all battle because it isn't attached to any metric.
Because ranking was just part of the asset pack, not part of their game design.
>Combat on a planet not being repeatable, meaning to get maximum PP points per girl you have to play with their shitty alt fires in space combat to farm points to feed into pandora.

The only thing that could have salvaged the "effort" as you call it would have been competent VN relationsim elements in the actual main game loop. That isn't there, at all, thanks to the "pandora system" copout.
The only potentially redeeming thing would have been the "adult" elements with the conventional gameplay in this absolute state. It'd have been the tin metal of "Game sucks but booba" if not for the Pandora system, even if the execution was 100% linear and just spit out scenes as you progressed the game narratively. Didn't even manage that much.
 

Joshua Tree

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"It's not a bad porn game, you should judge the game on it's merits as an actual game with porn elements" is not the top tier biggbrain defense you think it is.

Maybe you missed what I said about that part...


The only potentially redeeming thing would have been the "adult" elements with the conventional gameplay in this absolute state. It'd have been the tin metal of "Game sucks but booba" if not for the Pandora system, even if the execution was 100% linear and just spit out scenes as you progressed the game narratively. Didn't even manage that much.
Kinda funny when you apply a quote to me, of things I never said. I didn't miss what you said, I ignored it. If you think a game is bad or good, that is subjective. I just reacted to you said it was a "porn game" which the creators said it wasn't and referred to it as a game with content for adults. Also you referring to the pandora scenes as the "main gameplay", just underline the game just not for you...

The shoot em up part not that bad, the ground combat need improvement (which they already confirmed on improve upon).
 
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