Unreal Engine Completed Subverse [v1.1.1] [Studio Fow]

[NBV]

I don't think I've ever seen so much fuss over a game I'm sure 99% of people here didn't pay for

I did.

People just like unnecessary drama. There's nothing you can do about that unfortunately.

Kind of messed up to denounce any point people are trying to make by referring to it as people just wanting drama, no? I paid for the game and want it to do well. The characters are hot and the models are sexy. It's just extremely disappointing to hear that the game right now is mostly 7-8 second animation loops with no context story behind them. Isn't that a little disappointing to you? The devs haven't actually addressed whether they'd make them longer or do any extreme changes to them being 7-8 second loops. They've instead only talked about making changes related to how you'd unlock them, or if they'd be adding more soon. Getting over 20 new sex scenes next patch is great, but if 16 out of the 20 are just 10 second loops again... what are we really looking forward to?

 

[Deleted member 324588]

I did.
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Kind of messed up to denounce any point people are trying to make by referring to it as people just wanting drama, no? I paid for the game and want it to do well. The characters are hot and the models are sexy. It's just extremely disappointing to hear that the game right now is mostly 7-8 second animation loops with no context story behind them. Isn't that a little disappointing to you? The devs haven't actually addressed whether they'd make them longer or do any extreme changes to them being 7-8 second loops. They've instead only talked about making changes related to how you'd unlock them, or if they'd be adding more soon. Getting over 20 new sex scenes next patch is great, but if 16 out of the 20 are just 10 second loops again... what are we really looking forward to?

You mention the scenes being added, but not the part after that from the most recent Dev blog:

"Over 50+ new Pandora scenes are being added in the Ela update, including more for existing girls like DEMI , Lily and Killi. Futa fans will be pleased as there’s a some really cracking futa scenes in this batch! All the while, we are also working on the next evolution of the Pandora system which will launch AFTER this particular Ela Update."

They heard ya'll and they're working on it. So there isn't much ya'll can do at this point but just speculate. This was the benefit of early access, they get feedback and can adjust accordingly. If it takes time it takes time.

 

[Cpt.SumTingWong]

ehm anyone wanna post the update for 0.2.2 ?

Just wait for someone on cs.rin.ru cracked it :v

 

[Gwedelino]

Coming to this topic from time to time to see how much of a dumpster fire it is is becoming more and more a guilty pleasure for me.

 

[Joshua Tree]

Then I would love to ear your student's thoughts about the time it take for a professional entire studio to make one 7 second animated loop, thanks you

Just disregard everything else that make the entire game right? Just the focus on such a loop? All the other movie sequences that part of the story etc, take no time or effort right?

 

[Thaladore]

LETS GO BOYS

how do you get multiple downloads back in to a single game file?

 

[D-R]

I made some screenshots

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[anon89]

what a shitshow lmao

 

[Acebuddy]

how do you get multiple downloads back in to a single game file?

download a zip program like 7ZIp/Winrar, and then select all the files, right click, and then unzip it all to one folder

 

[Joshua Tree]

download a zip program like 7ZIp/Winrar, and then select all the files, right click, and then unzip it all to one folder

Just right click the first file in the folder, and select extract and it will just extract everything. At least when use like winrar.

 

[IG88a]

Just disregard everything else that make the entire game right? Just the focus on such a loop? All the other movie sequences that part of the story etc, take no time or effort right?

Yeah, it's kind of an important loop. The MAIN GAMEPLAY LOOP of your porngame having no porn is a foundational problem. Why the game is bad. And boy do you not want us to lay back into the rest of the game.

Prerendered Cinematics
>Not porn
>unplayable on most systems due to the games poor optimization
They're so inconsequential to the "plot" it doesn't matter most players haven't even watched them due to the ram-buffer-loading issues that make them freeze and stutter out regardless of system specs. Product of their bloated, unoptimized, mess of a game.
Doesn't matter how pretty they may be, most aren't voiced and are just panning shots of random environments or explosions anyway. It was entirely wasted effort. Muh cinematics don't excuse 3 second liverendered loops for the games actual content.

Gameplay
>Xcom far worse than 1993 and the games it's copying, cobbled out of pre-purchased game assets where enemy units spawn on any free tile behind your lines
>Bullet hell only made "challenging" by game breaking bugs like spawning ships out of the physical bounds of the map.
>Upgrades not being required for either game type; no difficulty progression of needing new units or ship upgrades to even unlock, let alone actually win, any game mode.
You don't even need the new mantic unlocked to access their Pandora scenes. And where did the random ayy lmaos come from to fuck your girls? GG continuity we literally never knew you.
>Gold-bronze ranking that doesn't change your reward payout and isn't tracked anywhere. Gold for a near total party wipe or bronze for taking no damage all battle because it isn't attached to any metric.
Because ranking was just part of the asset pack, not part of their game design.
>Combat on a planet not being repeatable, meaning to get maximum PP points per girl you have to play with their shitty alt fires in space combat to farm points to feed into pandora.

The only thing that could have salvaged the "effort" as you call it would have been competent VN relationsim elements in the actual main game loop. That isn't there, at all, thanks to the "pandora system" copout. Simple as, but good luck getting that tidbit past their community managers.

If everything about the combat-exploration gameplay loop was 110% on point, the pandora system would still suck. People would still say it's a bad porngame. Hell, they may even have said it would have been better without being a porngame at all if the game was good in spite of it.
But no, the Combat gameplay loop is terrible freeware crap, making the Pandora system all the worse. Same goes for the prerendered cinematics. They make the actual PORN look worse. A perfect storm showing that they didn't know how to make a game, let alone a porn game, and apparently have no intention of trying.

The fact that this is you guys' attempt to circle the wagons in the face of clear evidence sycophantic community mods are actively silencing any form of criticism on their official media platforms, trying (if the core of FOW is truly staffed by idiots) to maintain the façade everything is fine to their higher ups while alienating their backers and paying customers, is telling.

 

[Joshua Tree]

Yeah, it's kind of an important loop. The MAIN GAMEPLAY LOOP of your porngame having no porn is a foundational problem. Why the game is bad. And boy do you not want us to lay back into the rest of the game.

Kinda funny though because FOW said they are "NOT making a porn game", they making A GAME with content for adults. Maybe you missed what they said about that part...

 

[IG88a]

Kinda funny though because FOW said they are "NOT making a porn game", they making A GAME about a guy with little girls panties on his face who farms Xcom and smup bullethell segments to get the secondary currency that lets him watch sex scenes unconnected to the main game loop he's sometimes in. Maybe you missed what they said about that part...

"It's not a bad porn game, you should judge the game on it's merits as an actual game with porn elements" is not the top tier biggbrain defense you think it is.

Maybe you missed what I said about that part...

>Xcom far worse than 1993 and the games it's copying, cobbled out of pre-purchased game assets where enemy units spawn on any free tile behind your lines
>Bullet hell only made "challenging" by game breaking bugs like spawning ships out of the physical bounds of the map.
>Upgrades not being required for either game type; no difficulty progression of needing new units or ship upgrades to even unlock, let alone actually win, any game mode.
You don't even need the new mantic unlocked to access their Pandora scenes. And where did the random ayy lmaos come from to fuck your girls? GG continuity we literally never knew you.
>Gold-bronze ranking that doesn't change your reward payout and isn't tracked anywhere. Gold for a near total party wipe or bronze for taking no damage all battle because it isn't attached to any metric.
Because ranking was just part of the asset pack, not part of their game design.
>Combat on a planet not being repeatable, meaning to get maximum PP points per girl you have to play with their shitty alt fires in space combat to farm points to feed into pandora.

The only thing that could have salvaged the "effort" as you call it would have been competent VN relationsim elements in the actual main game loop. That isn't there, at all, thanks to the "pandora system" copout.

The only potentially redeeming thing would have been the "adult" elements with the conventional gameplay in this absolute state. It'd have been the tin metal of "Game sucks but booba" if not for the Pandora system, even if the execution was 100% linear and just spit out scenes as you progressed the game narratively. Didn't even manage that much.

 

[Joshua Tree]

"It's not a bad porn game, you should judge the game on it's merits as an actual game with porn elements" is not the top tier biggbrain defense you think it is.

Maybe you missed what I said about that part...


The only potentially redeeming thing would have been the "adult" elements with the conventional gameplay in this absolute state. It'd have been the tin metal of "Game sucks but booba" if not for the Pandora system, even if the execution was 100% linear and just spit out scenes as you progressed the game narratively. Didn't even manage that much.

Kinda funny when you apply a quote to me, of things I never said. I didn't miss what you said, I ignored it. If you think a game is bad or good, that is subjective. I just reacted to you said it was a "porn game" which the creators said it wasn't and referred to it as a game with content for adults. Also you referring to the pandora scenes as the "main gameplay", just underline the game just not for you...

The shoot em up part not that bad, the ground combat need improvement (which they already confirmed on improve upon).

 

[IG88a]

I just reacted to you said it was a "porn game" which the creators said it wasn't and referred to it as a game with content for adults. Also you referring to the pandora scenes as the "main gameplay", just underline the game just not for you...

If you can't understand why people on an adult game discussion forum are judging an "adult content" game on the merits of being a competent adult game you're either being disingenuous or have been very, very confused your last 5000 odd posts here.

The shoot em up part not that bad, the ground combat need improvement (which they already confirmed on improve upon).

No one cares if you lie to yourself, the problem is you're trying to gaslight. You aren't succeeding, but you are trying.

In both game modes
Is there a combat progression loop with a difficulty curve?
>no
Is there an upgrade progression loop?
>no
Does the ranking system serve any purpose in their game design? Does it give you more reward? Is it tracked anywhere?
>no
>no
>no
Congratulations, it's objectively bad by "real game" standards.

Their only refuge to deflect from these criticisms was "it's just a porn game gosh guys, you're here to coom right not play a fully realized version of Xcom" but since you and them want to play with the big boys the most scathing comments haven't been about the readily apparent, it's a bad "adult content" game, but the minutiae of why it fails as a conventional videogame. How does it feel to get what you wanted?

 

[NBV]

Kinda funny though because FOW said they are "NOT making a porn game", they making A GAME with content for adults. Maybe you missed what they said about that part...

I hate this excuse so much. Everyone knows the game only got funded because of it's porn aspects, and they heavily advertised it as a space fucking adventure. Their trailers focus on showing the girls and teasing the sex scenes, while they're updates even focus on that more too. I'm not going to pretend they didn't show gameplay teasers in their trailers and kickstarter page, but this is such a dumb cop-out excuse to make. The entire premise and kickstarter goals (not counting hard copy bonuses, such as books, and miscellaneous stuff.) emphasized the waifus and how you'd get to fuck them. You know damn well Subverse banked on people being interested in a 3D sex game by them. What they said after getting the million in funding shouldn't deflect that, especially when it seems to come off more as them trying to shrug off some criticism about the mantic sex scenes being locked into Pandora, something they never mentioned when the funding was happening.



IG88a is right about some of the gameplay stuff he mentioned, but I'm personally willing to let that ENTIRE thing slide. It is their first video game, after all... What I can judge them on are the sex scenes. We don't even need to talk about the sex "mechanics" or how you unlock them. At the end of the day, what we got were glorified 7 to 30 second loop animations on replay. I would at least be able to give them some form of pass if the sex scenes were at least 5 minute long animations, but they aren't. They gave us what are essentially mini SFM webm loops we can easily find browsing Rule34's booru website. They absolutely did the bear minimum to fulfill the sex scene check box completing a feature they promised.

Let me repeat myself: I CAN ACCEPT FOW STRUGGLING TO PROGRAM AND WORK OUT FEATURES ON THE VIDEO GAME PART OF THEIR DESIGN.

What cannot be excused is the sex animations that we can unlock only being 7 seconds long. This is without exaggeration too.
You can upload all of Lily's scenes on a .webm file.

 

[NBV]

Remember these descriptions they gave years back?

Whilst walking past the Laboratory, the player can hear sexually suggestive moans coming from within as a bipedal alien stud called Bulgetto pleasures your Chief Science Officer. There is nothing you can do about this, so don't even try.

I'm pretty sure this was implying we'd see some sex scenes during the story progression or be able to encounter them randomly on the ship.

Tie what's posted above to this image, and the situation is made much worse.
(screenshot was taken years ago)

We know for a fact that this isn't going to happen now. We know that the whole description of Lily's encounter isn't going to happen, because FOW themselves and their reps have gone on to say that they want to avoid upsetting people with unavoidable sex scenes with other males. They won't even do it with avoidable sex scenes. "There is nothing you can do about this, so don't even try" my ass.

An enigmatic alien known only as Chodestool will engage in doggystyle copulation with various crew members if you forget to feed him

They posted this up years back too. Subverse's staff have said there will be no rape (non-consensual) or NTR-esque scenes, so how does this work? Were these kind of teaser descriptions they gave for interactions we could have just fluff they never intended to do? Whether people like NTR or not (assuming it would be NTR themed), I'm sure lots of Subverse fans would love the idea of seeing a mini-cutscene or dialogue explanation of someone like Fortune failing to feed Chodestool and then getting forcefully mounted by it, until she gets fucked into a temporary ahegaoing mess. A 5-7 second loop of Fortune being thrusted into by Chodestool absolutely won't live up to the same idea. On the bright side, they still can fix this problem by adding cutscenes or dialogue scenes before a Pandora sex scene is played and after it ends, to provide that bit of context people need. Hopefully they mention something like this in the next diary.



EDIT: The fact will always remain that they handled advertisement and feedback not as well as they could have, especially given the kind of content they're known for. People expected avoidable/option rape scenes by mantics, only for FOW to come out after many months of silence to say that there wouldn't be any. This was obviously a shock to many FOW fans, especially since all of the doujins they hired Japanese hentai artists to make were related to the crew getting raped by Lily's mantics or attacked by some kind of alien. They did make it clear that there would be avoidable scenes in the game, and that you would need to unlock many through a tech tree, but never specified how major that was. They could have easily publicly said that all mantic related scenes would be blocked off to their Pandora or tech tree (what they called it at the time) system. They instead skirted around being clear about these things, well, until the early access drew near.

This post right here could imply that the waifus would be able to have sex with others in the story or randomly on the ship. This isn't any confirmation, so I'm not going to pretend it did though. My point is that they used very Politian-eques language to answer questions, and skirt around saying absolute yes or no on things. This "independence" post means nothing, when they decided that mantic sex would be non-canon content that is exclusive to optional pandora unlocks. None of these characters are displaying any "independence".


In their defense for this post, they only said they wanted to explore the idea. They never confirmed or denied it being a feature they were adding. It still totals up to one of the many things they said would be happening or could be happening... that ultimately ended up being a hard confirmed "NO" at the start of early access.

 

[Joshua Tree]

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If you can't understand why people on an adult game discussion forum are judging an "adult content" game on the merits of being a competent adult game you're either being disingenuous or have been very, very confused your last 5000 odd posts here.


No one cares if you lie to yourself, the problem is you're trying to gaslight. You aren't succeeding, but you are trying.

In both game modes
Is there a combat progression loop with a difficulty curve?
>no
Is there an upgrade progression loop?
>no
Does the ranking system serve any purpose in their game design? Does it give you more reward? Is it tracked anywhere?
>no
>no
>no
Congratulations, it's objectively bad by "real game" standards.

Their only refuge to deflect from these criticisms was "it's just a porn game gosh guys, you're here to coom right not play a fully realized version of Xcom" but since you and them want to play with the big boys the most scathing comments haven't been about the readily apparent, it's a bad "adult content" game, but the minutiae of why it fails as a conventional videogame. How does it feel to get what you wanted?

You not able to see the difference between between porn and content for adults do you? A game for adults just mean it got content that is not suitable for minors, it doesn't even have to have nudity, sex (in this case it do though), or whatever in it. If you take away all the game elements that's not there to grow your boner, and cut away until all you are left with is the explicit content that might arouse you, there you have your porn...

There is other games/VN's on this site where people go "whaaa whaaa, where is the porn", because their mindset is wired anything considered for adults equal porn when in reality its everything not suitable for minors.

 

[IG88a]

7 seconds is pretty forgiving NBV , most are 3 second main loops with a secondary loop of an expression changing. Even the premium scenes are constructed like this. Every second of work into the "cinematics" should have gone into the sex scene animation. Instead the main selling point of the whole primary push and roadmap gets treated as an afterthought to the point they couldn't even scrape together 9 unique animation loops per girl with their best foot forward on launch after 2+ years.

And you're right there, it being a bad game on technical grounds only comes up when certain people decide it can't be judged as a porngame.
For those in the back
It's a far worse conventional game than it is a porngame.
But for some reason somehow this little shell game is supposed to work this n+1th time to make people not rightly criticize the games abysmal structure and playloops.
Almost 200 pages of this same nonsense of "You can't judge it as Y, judge it as X... wait no not like that!" and we're supposed to just think they have a goldfish memory.
Sure isn't doing the game or Studio FOW any favors on PR.

But my main gripe is that even in the current state, this isn't unfixable. It just means nuking Pandora and PP points and all their other terrible VisualNovel side design decisions they adamantly cling to.
Then a version of Subverse could just be a pretty middling-subpar linear porngame with content gated by tedious minigames. Far better than what currently exists.
"Scenes unlock in narrative when you fight with a girl on your team"
That simple. No goodboypoints required. Rewatch them in a gallery if you're going to be lazy as devs or have a secondary framing by actually talking to the girls. A radical concept called a "sex menu" if you will. Never before seen in a porngame, truly a revolution.

How do you avoid mantic content in narrative?

Lily "Now then Captain, if there was nothing else I think I'll spend some quality time with our new mantic here. Unless of course... you want to watch?"

menu:​

"Lily I'm sickened... but curious"​

[mantic content unlocked]​

"Lily no fucking fido on my ship."​

"Captain a mantic is not a do..."​

"Just because Steam won't let us give him a red rocket doesn't mea... look if anyone is going to get their dick sucked, on MY SHIP, it's me! Preferably with the tracer look alike but to be honest I'm not that picky."​

[mantic content soft gated]​

Shocking right?
What things could be with the bare minimum amount of effort and forethought.

But as many, many pages back it was went into that'll be incredibly hard now on the back end of things with voice acting being the true millstone around this games neck.
Any constructive change to the game requires new voicework and if they won't say that they definitely know that.

It's clear the cheapest way forward is with their crap game design, crap combat, crap playloop.
More reused animation rigs but now the girls have dicks!
All in line with releasing batch chapters so they can pretend 4 builds is actually the full game and meet that bare minimum contractual definition of a release. All indicators seem to point at that being the direction they're heading in and it isn't a bright one.

 

[Shadowclonezero]

IG88a

Hi, I was curious where you saw this game critique infos like you stated in recent posts? I feel like it's pretty accurate and I would like to see, read/watch and learn it so I can plan a good game