Unreal Engine Completed Subverse [v1.1.1] [Studio Fow]

[Joshua Tree]

Not saying he is wrong in regard of the moderator. Just saying he show us what he want to show us. If he ended up get an apology and a ban lifted then why keep cry about it?

Seen users on this forum post about they went to some creators discord and "told them", resulting in a ban (and not just one time), then come back post about it to gloat as it's some sort of honor badge. With such mentality floating around I don't really have half a ear or eye open when people complain about get banned. Same when I also consider what I seen of peoples behavior on the subverse steam forum that got them banned.

So, posted your critic and feedback in their feedback thread yet? Did it get you banned? Since NBV isn't banned any longer there, maybe he can post a link to his feedback and critics on the steam forum? People can cry about been gagged, but where is the pudding?

 

[IG88a]

You're literally saying "Yeah well he's not banned now so why does everyone have a problem with their mods acting in bad faith???? I mean have you personally been banned recently??????? Maybe you should have posted in the Steam community instead... thats controlled by community moderation... appointed by the developer..."

If you didn't think F95 was a high traffic source of potential customers that 'defending' the game like this could funnel over buy the game and support studio FOW you wouldn't be here.

I honestly wonder how you're not conscious of the damage you're doing to the "brand" of Subverse.

 

[Joshua Tree]

You're literally saying "Yeah well he's not banned now so why does everyone have a problem with their mods acting in bad faith???? I mean have you personally been banned recently??????? Maybe you should have posted in the Steam community instead... thats controlled by community moderation... appointed by the developer..."

If you didn't think F95 was a high traffic source of potential customers that 'defending' the game like this could funnel over buy the game and support studio FOW you wouldn't be here.

I honestly wonder how you're not conscious of the damage you're doing to the "brand" of Subverse.

You are the one stating everyone posting critic get banned. So where is the feedback and critic you posted? Did you get banned? I been involved in piracy of games (whatever), since I got a c64 way back. When internet became a thing that expanded many times over. If you want to accuse people of shill for something to attract customers on a pirate site, then you don't come across as very bright.

With the amount of fertilizer you are spreading all over Subverse you shouldn't talk about brand damage

 

[IG88a]

You are the one stating everyone posting critic get banned. So where is the feedback and critic you posted? Did you get banned? I been involved in piracy of games (whatever), since I got a c64 way back. When internet became a thing that expanded many times over. If you want to accuse people of shill for something to attract customers on a pirate site, then you don't come across as very bright.

With the amount of fertilizer you are spreading all over Subverse you shouldn't talk about brand damage

And you have a legitimate copy if memory serves, follow the development, are active in the official media portals for the game. And are doggedly defending the game, making accusations, lowering yourself to personal attacks, and circling the wagons to find a shred of light in all the darkness to claim that at some point in the future if everyone just waits the promised AAA porngame (their words) will materialize. On a piracy site. Y tho. Seriously.
Explain the rationale behind how do you think you're helping foster the brand by claiming a PM chain with those at the top about their own moderation practices isn't enough "proofs" there is an internal issue with how they handle feedback within their power to delete?

You really don't seem to understand your own archetype here
All us meanieheads said our piece about the game around launch and don't think it's improving. The .2.2 leak more than likely will vindicate that when someone wastes the bandwidth and any new scenes will be on rule34video a minute later. The thread isn't bumped by the people who honestly rated and played the game, it's bumped by... others, which generates these flurries of posts in response. Now F95 pops up when you search "Subverse free" pretty damn quickly and fresh eyes might react to the dichotomous difference between our rating and the steam rating, maybe not privy to the fact the lions share of current reviews were posted the first hour the game launched and slowly ticked down to it's present state losing nearly 20 points in aggregate. In the absence of lets call it a "clear comparison" it may even seem we're being overly critical. Too nitpicky. Going against the grain for it's own sake. That is until you see the active discussion with the games gallant defenders interacting with said community. I bet a lot of them come away from that thinking "Oh. Good thing I didn't spend $30 on this."

My spread is covered. If the game stays like this the 2.5 rating is accurate, if it improves it'll be because people complained loud enough. And by backchannels, fomenting a public perception they've lost control of. (The public perception of most games journos/youtubers as of now with the hype firmly dead for those that bother to keep tabs on dumpsterfires.)

From your perspective how is that you've positioned yourself to eat crow if they radically improve the gameloop and lean heavily into pornography? I don't see how you'd find that where you want to be, as a customer or general state of being.

 

[Joshua Tree]

IG88a Sorry bob, but you really lost your marbles...

Why do you expect new scenes in a bugfix that 2.2 is? Maybe you should go back and read the dev diary from July 16...

 

[IG88a]

IG88a Sorry bob, but you really lost your marbles...

Why do you expect new scenes in a bugfix that 2.2 is? Maybe you should go back and read the dev diary from July 16...

Ack, my pride. if only I'd known a version number change was a lie from studio FOW! I'd assumed erroneous in my great folly they may not be 100% in devhell on real builds when someone posted an update link.

yeah sidestep, deflect and act flippantly. 50% of the time it works every time. I still really don't get how the hill you want to die on is the main gameloop shouldn't be improved and the game shouldn't expand it's integration with pornography. Like, why would you want that?

 

[Joshua Tree]

Ack, my pride. if only I'd known a version number change was a lie from studio FOW! I'd assumed erroneous in my great folly they may not be 100% in devhell on real builds when someone posted an update link.

yeah sidestep, deflect and act flippantly. 50% of the time it works every time. I still really don't get how the hill you want to die on is the main gameloop shouldn't be improved and the game shouldn't expand it's integration with pornography. Like, why would you want that?

Newsflash... games get a new version number when they updated with a bugfix...

Nothing keep you from post feedback on the steam forums. You don't need to own a game to partake in the forums. You can hide if you own the game or not in your profile as well. So how about it bob, where is your feedback?

I never said what the game shouldn't do, or shouldn't be. Just referred to what the devs said about it themselves. There is even youtube links further back in the thread where they talk about it. In case reading is a issue. Just as I don't throw a judgement on some 0.1 release on this site, I don't see why should do it with a game in early access on steam either.

 

[IG88a]

And back to the start of the script. You said a lot more past that, as you have many time before, most recently a page back.

Your "opinion" is this isn't a porn game because the devs said so, it's a bigboy adult game for adults and the AO rating is for... something other than ever present sex with dog monsters, and are apparently happy with that as the state of things for why they shoved the still integral pornography into a side interface. In a gameplay loop entirely centered around farming points to feed into a machine that spits out contextless sex scenes instead of doing the normal, conventional, thing and having the content narratively integrated as milestones to a "waifu"s relationship. A system they have stated they aren't entertaining changing while banning critique and suggestion wherever they can due to in the best case unprofessional moderators. A known quantity at this point of a game that launched in a feature complete state with almost a third of it's narrative content implemented. After over Two years of development. It isn't a .001 because it is in early access, it wasn't supposed to release in early access at all. But these are your stated beliefs you've held within the last 12 hours.

 

[Joshua Tree]

And back to the start of the script. You said a lot more past that, as you have many time before, most recently a page back.

Your "opinion" is this isn't a porn game because the devs said so, it's a bigboy adult game for adults and the AO rating is for... something other than ever present sex with dog monsters, and are apparently happy with that as the state of things for why they shoved the still integral pornography into a side interface. In a gameplay loop entirely centered around farming points to feed into a machine that spits out contextless sex scenes instead of doing the normal, conventional, thing and having the content narratively integrated as milestones to a "waifu"s relationship. A system they have stated they aren't entertaining changing while banning critique and suggestion wherever they can due to in the best case unprofessional moderators. A known quantity at this point of a game that launched in a feature complete state with almost a third of it's narrative content implemented. After over Two years of development. It isn't a .001 because it is in early access, it wasn't supposed to release in early access at all. But these are your stated beliefs you've held within the last 12 hours.

If the creator say they are making a game for adults, and not a porn game, well that is what they are doing right? If you want a porn game you want something that serve up one kitty after the other to nut too.. Not have you play tactical ground combat and a shoot em up and get served lewdness on the side. You can feel free to define subverse to whatever you feel like like, but it doesn't change the fact it is what the creators decide it is.

Posted your feedback and critic on the steam forums yet? Maybe afraid of get banned by the scary mod monster....

Unless you can come up with something new, going back and forth with you get old very fast. Especially when you grab fertilizer out of thin air with no recites to show for.

 

[IG88a]

Mantics with the most agressive genitalia Steam allows fucking girls in every hole is just Lewdness he says, the rich tactical gameplay of the two stripped down 24hr gamejam versions of Xcom and shmup are the true draw of subverse he says, between the complete failure of his ability to type out of...

While still somehow thinking it's defensible that the higher ups of FOW actively know about their "overzealous" mods managing their community forums such as steam. Yet again at best it's incompetence not malice at attempting a cross platform media presence, but they still know. Not the best look, or the best thing to defend "bob."

 

[Gwedelino]

- More full sex scenes cinematics instead of small loops
- More context / story related to those sex scenes
- Fuck this Pro-NTR / Anti-NTR debate.

That's all, topic completed

 

[Kerry9]

There is no NTR because there is no love to begin with, it's literally a orgy. There's no cheating, because there are no gf or bf, there are literally sex machines , penis shaped ships. And here you debate about NTR?

NTR is there only if you somehow see it as some kind of relationship because you self-insert and you want it to be there for your personal fetish.

 

[Deleted member 324588]

Yeah just choosing to ignore...that one. Grats to him for being the second person I've had to do that with in this thread. Once they become a wall that refuses to budge no matter how many facts you present them with, you're just wasting your breath at that point.

Now back to what I can hope are somewhat normal discussions.

- More full sex scenes cinematics instead of small loops
- More context / story related to those sex scenes
- Fuck this Pro-NTR / Anti-NTR debate.

That's all, topic completed

Well I'd think we'd left that debate about 50 or so pages back, but in agreement with Kerry's following statement. NTR really only applies if you're self-inserting yourself into the character's role. Which unless you're a space traveling australian hooked on cocainium, I don't think you can

For those first point...while I'm sure we'd all love if every Pandora scene was 5 minutes long, that's simply asking too much. Especially considering how many are currently there, and what's being added in the next update for just 4 girls. With numerous partners and kinks to fill, that'd just be impossible to do without a significantly larger team and budget. And personally I feel that if you made everything long, then the really special ones would feel monotonous at that point. You need the basic ones to make the Premium ones stand out. And the premium ones in turn will help the devotion quest animation (which is the several minute long cap off you want) do the same.

Regarding the second point, the problem with every scene having context is that that would vastly expand the dialogue. Therefore its the big bad budget rearing its head again. Now I'm sure this could easily be fixed if FOW opened up more financial support options, but they don't want to be Star Citizen, and just have endless feature creep because they keep getting more money. They have stated that the Ela update will see more sex integrated into the story, which is somewhat what you asked. I just don't see it being applied to every scene that'll be in Pandora.

 

[WSmith]

0.2.2

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What is this? Changelog mentions nothing, and there is no update on Steam. Nevermind, found it. I shall sit on the stupid chair today.

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New Features

• Added Gallery call out.
• Added "Clear Input Cache" button.

Bug Fixes

• Fixed issue with Main Menu settings not refreshing.
• Fixed issue where switching between Waifus, in the middle of a pose transition, would break the transition.
• Optimized memory management when loading Gallery sounds.
• Fixed issue where Picture Wall callout was not working properly.
• Fixed issue where resources were not updating when opening the Gallery.
• Fixed issue where "Stop Spin" button would not disappear when manually stopping a Waifu.

Notes

• "Clear Input Cache" button can be accessed from the settings. Players can use it in case they run into non-working bindings. It is worth nothing that a restart is required after clicking the button.

 

[IG88a]

For those first point...while I'm sure we'd all love if every Pandora scene was 5 minutes long, that's simply asking too much. Especially considering how many are currently there, and what's being added in the next update for just 4 girls. With numerous partners and kinks to fill, that'd just be impossible to do without a significantly larger team and budget. And personally I feel that if you made everything long, then the really special ones would feel monotonous at that point. You need the basic ones to make the Premium ones stand out. And the premium ones in turn will help the devotion quest animation (which is the several minute long cap off you want) do the same.

Regarding the second point, the problem with every scene having context is that that would vastly expand the dialogue. Therefore its the big bad budget rearing its head again. Now I'm sure this could easily be fixed if FOW opened up more financial support options, but they don't want to be Star Citizen, and just have endless feature creep because they keep getting more money. They have stated that the Ela update will see more sex integrated into the story, which is somewhat what you asked. I just don't see it being applied to every scene that'll be in Pandora.

I mean they only had two years and two million dollars guys. We have to be fair here.
Like voicework could cost upwards of a whole thousand dollarydoos per hour of finished VA. Thats like... under 1% of their initial budget if they recorded another 20 solid hours of additional dialogue... 10x the length of the current games VA runtime... thats 30% of the game by chapters... the one with the most VA talking according to their own pressers due to the tutorials and necessary exposition.

But you're right in appropriating my point about VA being a millstone around the neck of the game, meaning it'll never improve in it's current trajectory. Any change to game design means new voicework. Money they might not even have to budget at this point, but also time that definitely isn't on their side after 2 years of pissing around. They really, really fucked themselves on having full VA so low on the list of stretch goals. They never did a comprehensive business plan or matte out what their additional backer goals would actually cost as they added them. No one is even hounding them yet for all the other stuff that was contractually promised by accepting more money... but less than it might cost to realize.

Now most apparently erroneously assumed full VA actually meant full VA, not just the VN segments (sans mocapping the actual mouths, something that is incredibly poor form for an animation studio) but all the sex scenes. Probably foremost.

Then they announced pandora as the only method of unlocking content as the cheap copout because as you agree, VA being expensive and context dependent. Seems writing and game design is hard in their camp.
Isn't exactly what people thought they were signing up for. His shortlist there was the bare minimum people thought they were getting.

With this exchange it seems you're softballing the fact even you believe the only thing people will get out of Subverse is more of the same.
There will never be that bare minimum of content having context. The girls talking during sex. Your actions even effecting the goings on of your own characters dick.
Just more of the same short, choppy animation loops disconnected from the narrative. Tacked on as an afterthought to the entirely linear "watch cutscenes with no player choice between repetitive minigame combat that spits out big PP" main gameloop so heavily derided.

Not quite the "just wait and see when it gets good" cheery disposition you used to hold.

 

[Gwedelino]

Yeah just choosing to ignore...that one. Grats to him for being the second person I've had to do that with in this thread. Once they become a wall that refuses to budge no matter how many facts you present them with, you're just wasting your breath at that point.

Now back to what I can hope are somewhat normal discussions.



Well I'd think we'd left that debate about 50 or so pages back, but in agreement with Kerry's following statement. NTR really only applies if you're self-inserting yourself into the character's role. Which unless you're a space traveling australian hooked on cocainium, I don't think you can

For those first point...while I'm sure we'd all love if every Pandora scene was 5 minutes long, that's simply asking too much. Especially considering how many are currently there, and what's being added in the next update for just 4 girls. With numerous partners and kinks to fill, that'd just be impossible to do without a significantly larger team and budget. And personally I feel that if you made everything long, then the really special ones would feel monotonous at that point. You need the basic ones to make the Premium ones stand out. And the premium ones in turn will help the devotion quest animation (which is the several minute long cap off you want) do the same.

Regarding the second point, the problem with every scene having context is that that would vastly expand the dialogue. Therefore its the big bad budget rearing its head again. Now I'm sure this could easily be fixed if FOW opened up more financial support options, but they don't want to be Star Citizen, and just have endless feature creep because they keep getting more money. They have stated that the Ela update will see more sex integrated into the story, which is somewhat what you asked. I just don't see it being applied to every scene that'll be in Pandora.

A huge number of games here with far far less budget are able to give context to their sex scenes.

That's not a problem of ressources, but how they are spend and what choices are made by the devs.

I don't mind having 4 or 5 times less scenes on Pandora if the remaining scenes were longer and had context.

As an exemple I think the best scene was the recruitment scene for Kily because we had context for it. It's not a 2 minutes long animation, but the story was here.

Your view about the risk of sex scenes becoming "monotonous" if all sex scenes were longer only exist because of the current situation of the Pandora system : preferring quantity over quality.

Ofc all of this is related to my vision of how sex should be implemented into this game, but it seems that I'm not the only one having this point of view.

And curiously, since Subverse is a game that try to create his own universe / story, some people are looking for the same thing for the sex scenes.

 

[Deleted member 324588]

A huge number of games here with far far less budget are able to give context to their sex scenes.

That's not a problem of ressources, but how they are spend and what choices are made by the devs.

Okay but how many of those games also had a giant cast of actors to pay?

 

[Joshua Tree]

Okay but how many of those games also had a giant cast of actors to pay?

and the length of animation sequences.. that take time..

 

[Gwedelino]

Okay but how many of those games also had a giant cast of actors to pay?

Okay but how many of those games also had several millions dollars of budget ?

 

[Deleted member 324588]

Okay but how many of those games also had several millions dollars of budget ?

And that budget was spread over the entire studio of employees, voice actors, and such over two years. That isn't an argument. They're not pulling in monthly income anymore.