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hmmm but as a robot her body parts is change-able right , btw it's seem like that's her skin already , sad , best waifu in this game IMO
Unreal Engine Completed Subverse [v1.1.1] [Studio Fow]
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What were you expecting? These games are made for socially unadapted, insecure people who like to project themselfs onto inadequatly popular bland mc. They fill cucked by pixels on screen, for gods sake.
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One thing that didn't receive any serious criticism is the female characters cast, or at least I didn't see any drama about that.
Can't deny that it's a pretty nice success.
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Why are you making this sound like it's unreasonable XD
It's porn. It's a fantasy.
Guys generally don't have a problem reading harem manga, and generally don't like reverse harems.
Girls generally don't have a problem reading reverse harem, and generally don't like harems.
Is it fair that guys want to sleep with multiple women but don't want those multiple women to sleep around? Nope. But who cares it's the fantasy.
Women can also have their fantasy of sleeping around with multiple men who only sleep with them.
What kind of take is this?
Isn't media designed to make you feel things?
Isn't it alright to feel angry when Eren's mom gets eaten in front of him, and he hates the Titans strongly enough to kill them? (Lol getting angry with pixels.)
Isn't it alright to feel happy when Kuroko's team wins the basketball tournament they practiced hard for hundreds of chapters? (Lol feeling motivated and happy with pixels.)
Isn't it alright to feel disgusted seeing a woman's head get ripped off and the perpetrator literally stuffing his dick in the hole where the head used to be?
(Lol feeling disgusted by pixels.)
It's even worse in Subverse considering how they set up the captain to be the player avatar.
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Or wait... Are you like one of those aromantic people on the LGBTQIA+ spectrum? Like you don't get emotionally attached to people you have sex with, and have no possessive sense so you're just fine with them fucking around?
A lot of people have criticized them.
They're just in the minority.
The voice talent for the characters did a really good job, and the girls fit the tone of the world.
Personally, I'm bland on them. Like... if they existed in real life and were right next to me, I wouldn't want to fuck em cause... well tons of reasons. But they have strong personalities and are designed well.
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I mean if the girl your character is banging goes around banging someone else then who cares right? it's fantasy, so your claim works either way really.
You might be mixing up feelings of empathy towards a character with the feelings of possessiveness some individuals have with fictional characters, I think you are taking what Readerf2b said a bit out of context since I am assuming he is talking about porn games and not fuzzy feel what your character is feeling sort of stories. Imagine playing something like Taimanin Yukikaze and getting angry that Yukikaze is being fucked by others that aren't Tatsurou I mean come on the entire point of the franchise is corruption.
Anyone is free to dislike NTR since it is a genre that some might not like (especially if it ends up hitting a bit close to home for some) but having some individuals raging over it like it's the end of the world is in my humble opinion rather ridiculous.
That's why there are genre's so they should go for what caters to them, for example you mentioned guro and it's a genre I hate so I avoid it but I don't get angry at those it's aimed at and it's the same for something like scat. I play a lot of Black Lilith games and there's scat scenes in a few of them, when those scenes pop up I just hold down the ctrl button and fast forward through them. I don't get angry that they might pop up in their VNs, I just don't read through those scenes or if it's something that focuses mostly on that then I just don't play it at all.
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Just a heads up for the future. If you want to quote someone, just highlight the text, and the world reply should come up.
But isn't that where expectations come in? Do you think a game or anime cover that has 1 guy and multiple women on it would be reverse harem or sexually promiscuous girls?
BTW, I'm not saying it's wrong for them to make a work where the girls sleep around. Developers have the prerogative to make anything they want.
I'm just saying in general... it's fantasy. Guys wanting to sleep around while wanting exclusive girls isn't unreasonable, and is honestly the standard for stories with a male lead and multiple romantic interests in adult works.
All I said is that media is designed to make you feel things.
Where is your statement coming from, from what I said?
If you're fine with NTR than that's fine. But like... the creators are designing their works to get you to feel NTR. It's media. It's trying to make you feel things.
I don't even think the game is NTR as it is right now, and no one's complained about the game being NTR for a while. Captain is not in a relationship with anyone. Everyone just sleeps around. When the game was in the prime of its discussions there were a lot of ragers, and yeah, I'm gonna agree they were pretty cringe.
You're reading way too hard into this. There is no criticism going on here.
Agreed. This is why I mentioned reverse harems as well.
But isn't that where expectations come in? Do you think a game or anime cover that has 1 guy and multiple women on it would be reverse harem or sexually promiscuous girls?
BTW, I'm not saying it's wrong for them to make a work where the girls sleep around. Developers have the prerogative to make anything they want.
I'm just saying in general... it's fantasy. Guys wanting to sleep around while wanting exclusive girls isn't unreasonable, and is honestly the standard for stories with a male lead and multiple romantic interests in adult works.
Wait... Isn't Taimanin Yukikaze tagged NTR?
All I said is that media is designed to make you feel things.
Where is your statement coming from, from what I said?
If you're fine with NTR than that's fine. But like... the creators are designing their works to get you to feel NTR. It's media. It's trying to make you feel things.
I mean, I don't disagree. But calling NTR, NTR isn't raging right? What I saw was a discussion about whether it was NTR or not.
I don't even think the game is NTR as it is right now, and no one's complained about the game being NTR for a while. Captain is not in a relationship with anyone. Everyone just sleeps around. When the game was in the prime of its discussions there were a lot of ragers, and yeah, I'm gonna agree they were pretty cringe.
OK, plz remember who I was replying to and what he said ok XD
And all I said can be boiled down to media is designed to make you feel things.
You're reading way too hard into this. There is no criticism going on here.
Yes, but not just by projecting yourself onto protagonist. That's actually very low quality of storytelling, to make protagonist easy to self insert building emotional link between dummy and reader. The story suppose to make you feel, not your attachment to protagonist.
Also, those ballistic anti-NTR people don't like cheating as a concept in game? No, they dont like feeling cucked. They are projecting themselves onto protagonist so hard, like they hate their own existence or something.
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When did self-insert become such a derogatory term?
You're playing a game.
You as the captain, are choosing who to talk to in the date segments.
You as the captain, are making decisions on where the Mary Celeste will go.
You as the captain, are the one making the ship move in the space arcade sections.
You as the captain, are the one choosing who gets deployed in the grid-based combat sections.
Obviously people who are put in the captain's shoes will feel like the captain.
Obviously people who feel like the captain will want that character to embody a little bit of them. So yeah, if the girls they choose to fuck go fuck other people, they'll feel sour. Is this really hard to understand? The way they expressed themselves is dumb I agree but where is the empathy for them?
Obviously their reaction and rage and calling it NTR and being spaz's is no good. It's not that it's NTR. They were just too embarrassed or dumb to say they want exclusive girls.
Hate their own existence?
Bro what?
NTR games are literally designed like this btw. They do their best to make it so the player feels like the male protagonist and then... have the girls sleep with other guys, because it wouldn't work if the players couldn't feel like the male protagonist but could feel like other characters. The difference is that the girls who sleep around are stolen. The protagonist never gets another chance at them and he can only watch and masturbate so technically... Subverse is not NTR. It's just slutty girls.
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EDIT: Also going to add.
It is normal to go through the highs and lows of fictional characters.
If a fictional character dies, it's ok to feel sad. Media is designed to make you feel things
If a fictional character succeeds in an otherwise hopeless situation, it's ok to feel proud and hype. Media is designed to make you feel things.
If a fictional character you choose to fuck then goes and fucks someone else, it's ok to feel sour. Media is designed to make you feel things.
Like... I get it right. You have a tolerance. Watched a ton of porn, and don't really emotionally attach yourself to any events that happen. But come on. Other people are. Their feelings are valid too even if they aren't expressing themselves correctly
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oohhh, thanks I didn't know. I kept right clicking to see if anything popped up
It is and in the case of Subverse they mentioned the situation where The Captain could walk in on a girl banging a xeno, I might of worded it wrong but my intention was to tie the convo into what happened during Subverse's kickstarter — I am somewhat half asleep so I apologize for that
I just like discussing different viewpoints and topics like these
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Lol, I'm so lost.. why are you bringing this up now? You never even hinted at this before.
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I scrolled up to my previous comments and noticed that I failed to tie both topics together — my bad
Always was. Self-insert is a very low quality genre.
Lets stop on this level. You are not a captain, you dont have spaceship or harem. You are not cucked. If you feel cucked, you are self-inserting too hard.
You are right, who cares. So why is it necessary to flip your shit and write page after page about it?
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Me personally... I have no dog in this race. I'd never fuck anyone on that ship, and I don't care for FOW's sexual tastes.
I find it strange how people are willing to take the benefits of empathy while trying to wash over the feelings of people about the negatives.
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By your argument, NTR and the concept of roleplaying literally doesn't exist.
I feel like people who like NTR probably don't agree with you.
Ahh... my shit was being flipped XD
In fact, I wrote multiple pages about it...
Wait... no... that didn't happen.
I'm actually just having a calm discussion with someone over the span of two posts.
Have no point here. Its not a roleplaying game.
Probably dont like this game.
Ah, you got me with your amazing ability of missing the point and thinking everything revolves around you.
Yes, YOU are having a calm discussion. But in your post, you accused me of being unreasonable for expecting people to not care about the whole "sleeping around" thing, argueing that it's "just fantasy".
So, again I ask, if it is just fantasy, why is it necessary that, in pretty much any game where women have even just a chance of sleeping around, people need to fill page after page of angry posts about how it?
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The concept of roleplaying and the genre of RPG are different things.
Roleplaying is the idea of inhabiting a character you are not.
Most games have roleplaying to some degree.
Let's take the Batman Arkham games as an example. Those games are not RPGs. They are action adventure, but you are in the role of Batman. The game gives you tools and limitations to feel like batman, and focus on that aspect of characterization.
Most people would hear this and say, aren't all games roleplaying games then?
Technically most are, but puzzles such as Tetris and Candy Crush don't actually give you a role to play.
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The genre of RPG takes the core of the roleplaying and makes that the focus. It has genre conventions like stats to manage and player choice.
I feel like you're being curt and dismissive of my statements when I repeatedly said the game wasn't NTR in the first place.
Haaa... Well I feel like trying to discuss with someone who has no desire to isn't worth my time.
Thinking everything revolves around me?
In a discussion where I'm engaging with other people? How...
Accused you of being unreasonable?
Word for word, unedited response.
" Why are you making this sound like it's unreasonable XD"
When did I call you unreasonable?
I didn't say, "You're being unreasonable for thinking people don't want this."
With that out of the way, to the main question.
Is this true?
Like... as a game developer I pay attention to a lot of games. I don't really pay too much attention to the western VN DAZ 3D sphere, so I wouldn't know about them, but for the most part I keep track of things.
To me this is not true.
Hurricanedotcom girls have slutty girls and no one talks about them like that.
In fact most japanese games with female protagonists have slutty heroines. All of OneOneOne's games have super slut heroines. People aren't filling page after page of angry posts about the girls sleeping around.
Karryn's Prison doesn't have anyone saying anything like that...
And there's so many more games with sexually promiscuous girls where no one says anything about the heroines' sexual promiscuity.
Why is it being brought up here? Expectations.
Oneoneone heroines being sluts is expected. That's their whole thing.
Why were expectations for StudioFOW's game so different? Honestly. It was probably how big the kickstarter got. Most people lean vanilla, and most consumers of these types of works are men, so it's pretty obvious that they would want exclusive girls but want multiple partners for themselves.
They didn't just make 2 mil. They made 2 mil normie dollars.
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I will somewhat disagree with you on this, I like NTR but I don't project onto the character nor self insert. My approach towards games and role-playing in general is that I look at it as what would that character do as opposed to what would I do in that situation, hence probably why I don't quite understand the overly attachment to specific things? It could be just a me thing.
Since you mentioned Batman Arkham I will use it as an example (amazing games btw, where is Arkham Knights damn it!!!), in those games I dont feel like I am Batman but that I am controlling Batman. I play them with the mindset of how would Batman approach this situation as opposed to what would I do here if I was Batman — I know that some people don't approach games in this way but it's how I tend to.
I like NTR and I don't dislike this game, for now it's extremely underwhelming but doesn't mean I dislike it. The update at the end of the month (depending on the amount of content) is what might end up cementing my overall opinion of the game since I doubt much in the game will change after that update. Also I like other genres besides NTR, including vanilla.
Also let's not forget that we are talking about porn games which at the end of the day their objective is to arouse, so what is important is whether if the situations the characters find themselves in are sexy or arousing or not.
Also also there's the fact that for some of us fiction is fiction and reality is reality, just because one might like NTR or other questionable kinky stuff in fiction doesn't mean they are into it irl — let's keep these two things very separated xD. I notice that at times these 2 things tend to get blurred a bit in discussions.
Yes and no, in any game where one controls a male protagonist there will always be a few people that complain if any if the girls end up being someone that sleeps around but to be fair I have seen people complain in games that have a female protagonist about the fact that the character you are controlling is female and they would prefer it if the game had a male protagonist. Some people just like to complain.
I will agree that Subverse was a bit of a special case since like you said it had a lot of normie dollar behind it.
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That's the same thing.
How would batman approach the situation is called roleplaying.
what would I do here if I were batman is called roleplaying.
I think you misunderstood what he said.
I'll quote him.
By that logic, it is literally impossible for any work to be NTR.
Hmmm... This is a different discussion, but I'll take the bait.
I kinda disagree.
If you like anal in fiction, you'll probably want to try anal.
If you like cowgirl sex position in fiction, you'll probably want to try cowgirl in real life.
If you like mating press and girls gasping for breath under you as you rail them, you'll probably like that in real life.
What you like is what you like. There is no getting around that.
EDIT: Actually... you know what. I'm done here. I usually check up on this game every few months to keep up on the discussion since this game is so big, and the discussion can be indicative of larger market trends and demand. I'm getting a bit too into the minute details of things that I honestly don't care about since I don't sexually care about this game. Probably'll come back eventually. Later.
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And there goes another 2 pages worth of 'what is NTR 101' lol. All while the content that's perceived as such but isn't is totally optional to unlock *continues munching popcorn*