Unreal Engine Completed Subverse [v1.1.1] [Studio Fow]

[Joshua Tree]

This is a mechanics complete version of the game. Only material change will be adding (or removing) the additional upgrade layers to the ship as those are gated by a combat progression curve and putting more shit in the scene gallery. You've seen the whole game. And they can't go change it because of Voicework. There is no future where there is a rebuild rewrite of this game without nixing or rerecording the lions share of the voiceacting.

The girls start at 100/100 "SLUTS LOL" and the game decides for you you have sex with them. No one is even arguing the fact or these failures of game design are present. But this right here is a lie in their marketing. They stated dialogue based progression, they stated narrative based progression. The pandora patchjob does neither. There is no companion system or evolving dialogue tree from talking to the girls. It isn't as simple as writing one, which they didn't initially so it's a lie in marketing, upon backlash of it's absence because it all has to be voiced; Easily thousands of lines of additional dialogue to flush out even the crudest of system for the girls they're obligated by kickstarter to include.


If you don't know what "linear sandbox" is as a game design term this conversation might not be your speed.

Just because there no evolving companion system in place now, or dialogue system doesn't mean it wont be. Have you read any of the response the devs made on feedback at all?

Linear is basically a straight line from a to b, b to c, and so forth. A sandbox is where you roam around at your own whims...

I think you should google linear vs sandbox... seems you need to read up...

 

[Joshua Tree]

Ok, it's pointless. It's obvious that even when the game will be in v0.99 and won't meet any promised content there will still be people here that will claim you can't judge it because it's not a full game yet meanwhile giving it 5 stars because "it may be good at v1.0".

Can just as well argue even it reach 1.0 and deliver promised content. For some people it will never be good enough. It swing both ways.

 

[IG88a]

Just because there no evolving companion system in place now, or dialogue system doesn't mean it wont be. Have you read any of the response the devs made on feedback at all?

Linear is basically a straight line from a to b, b to c, and so forth. A sandbox is where you roam around at your own whims...

I think you should google linear vs sandbox... seems you need to read up...

Thats a lot of words to say you don't know what you're talking about.

Linear refers to narrative, sandbox refers to gameplay. Mass effect is a linear sandbox. Fallout is a linear sandbox. Dragonage is a linear sandbox. Story driven sandbox games are... get this... linear sandboxes. Even with the branch endings (subverse will not have as there is no Player choice in their game design) as one of them is always officially canon. Subverse is a failed linear sandbox, as their only sandbox mechanic is fucking map travel.

I don't see how a barney style breakdown how "Subverse cannot have a retroactively designed and implemented companion system due to the constraints of voiceacting alone." wasn't enough for you. Yeah with massive blood, time, and treasure they could make it not a lie, but it currently was and is a clear lie in their marketing about what the game would be. A lie. Requires a rebuild of their game from the ground up, mechanically and narratively to ever not be a lie.

Bruh, be more discerning in what you consume and defend. If you got trapped by the 2 hour tutorial designed to eat up the return window and need to justify the purchase a lot of this starts clicking into place.

 

[HSHS1111]

There's an alternative perspective on this though, why didn't we have access to some gameplay and system prototypes before the fundraiser? Backers didn't have any idea of what they were getting two years ago.

That's what kickstarter is though. If you back a project that doesn't have a gameplay demo that's on you. And it's not like these guys had any track record in making games. I haven't followed the kickstarter closely but it doesn't look like they lied. It's just that their first foray into game-making didn't produce a masterpiece. Real shocking, I know. But that's the risk you take when backing projects on kickstarter.

Of course you can be disappointed in the outcome. There are certainly a lot of valid things criticize.

I'm mildly optimistic they can deliver something interesting in the Shmup part. What's there is already solid. But even if it will be tremendously fun to play, if it's broken up by tedious/boring tactical combat it won't mean much. In a great game you want all the systems to integrate and work together to enhance each other. Making something greater than the sum of it's parts. And I currently have a real hard time seeing that.
If the story and humor can grab me or at least keep me interested I can probably get through it and have some fun. Otherwise at least the animations will be good for a few fap session.We'll see I guess. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Deleted member 324588]

Subverse was supposed to release over a year ago as a completed game. They're only "not comparable" because Subverse already failed to live up to their standard. They failed, this is the backup plan to not be buried by failing the terms of the kickstarter.

And "but it was always going to be a shovelware indie shmup game" isn't changing the fact they led people to believe by statements like "An unholy mixture of... tactical rpgs... and a sprinkle of eroge goodness" that "offer[ed] you lewd rewards when you actually win! The better you perform in combat, the more you explore, and the more you talk to your waifus -- the better your rewards get!" that this was going to be a companion focused, evolving dialogue, linear sandbox game.

They didn't meet this stated goal. Right here. Talking to your waifus does nothing. There is no relationship-companion system. They lied. The rest they "technically" can claim is just the shittiest, laziest version of the systems they hyped but not here. This is just a fucking lie.

You're like 0/15 here man, stay down. You are if anything actively costing StudioFOW money with your shilling. If the game miraculously became what was promised in a from behind open skies redemption arc people are going to remember the name VValen and close their wallets.

Yeah that's uhh...cute. Last guy that argued this much me ended up banned, making more accounts that also got banned, and just isn't around anymore.

Talking to to the ladies does do things, giving some dialogue one might call...character development. Almost like those ME games this just loves being compared to, but did you know everything about Garrus, Tali, and Wrex? Or did that take time too. You're so gung-ho on judging this and comparing it to completed games, you're just simply blind and can't appreciate what we got for a tiny bit of the game.

But feel free to keep being mad, I'm just gonna stick around and keep informing people of information that's actually out there.

 

[CourierNPC]

giving it 5 stars because "it may be good at v1.0".

Rule me out of this one lmaoo

 

[Kernist]

Yeah that's uhh...cute. Last guy that argued this much me ended up banned, making more accounts that also got banned, and just isn't around anymore.

Talking to to the ladies does do things, giving some dialogue one might call...character development. Almost like those ME games this just loves being compared to, but did you know everything about Garrus, Tali, and Wrex? Or did that take time too. You're so gung-ho on judging this and comparing it to completed games, you're just simply blind and can't appreciate what we got for a tiny bit of the game.

But feel free to keep being mad, I'm just gonna stick around and keep informing people of information that's actually out there.

Well, he won't be banned if that's what you are implying, mods on this forum are not like mods on Studio FOW's discord.

 

[Ninnuam]

It's a porn game, why people get so upset and worked up? it's not the end of the world yet.
Doesn't mean you can criticize it obviously but chill.

 

[Kernist]

It's a porn game, why people get so upset and worked up? it's not the end of the world yet.
Doesn't mean you can criticize it obviously but chill.

Everything starts and ends with porn, that's the rule of the world.

 

[Grak112]

This game is an absolute 10/10. It has broken new ground and set an industry standard. The bar is far too high and nigh unreachable. The voice acting would put English theater actors to shame.

It’s writing..my it’s writing is Shakespearean worthy. Its comedy is golden, witty, and thought provoking. Truly many of the greatest writers of past and future can stand to take notes.

It's graphics would put a AAA studio to udder shame. The gameplay itself has so much depth and complexity that it makes other tactical games feel as if made by amateurs.

Subverse isn’t just game of the year, it’s not even the game of the century! It’s the freaking game of the millennium!

There will be no other like this game ever again in history.

 

[Kernist]

This game is an absolute 10/10. It has broken new ground and set an industry standard. The bar is far too high and nigh unreachable. The voice acting would put English theater actors to shame.

It’s writing..my it’s writing is Shakespearean worthy. Its comedy is golden, witty, and thought provoking. Truly many of the greatest writers of past and future can stand to take notes.

It's graphics would put a AAA studio to udder shame. The gameplay itself has so much depth and complexity that it makes other tactical games feel as if made by amateurs.

Subverse isn’t just game of the year, it’s not even the game of the century! It’s the freaking game of the millennium!

There will be no other like this game ever again in history.

I see what you did there.

 

[SomeOriginalUsername]

Ok, it's pointless. It's obvious that even when the game will be in v0.99 and won't meet any promised content there will still be people here that will claim you can't judge it because it's not a full game yet meanwhile giving it 5 stars because "it may be good at v1.0".

That's true for every early access game, there will always be people who defend it from beginning to end, and people who hate on it from beginning to end; hell, that's true for everything in life, if you feel engaging in discussion is pointless because of the mere existence of diehards like that, then either don't participate in discussions at all or just go in to share your opinion without the expectation of changing anyone else's.

While I like the game, I recognize its flaws and will be holding off on giving it any sort of rating until it's at 1.0, because like every other Early Accecss game there's a lot of time for it to get better or worse. Frankly speaking, anyone giving it 1 star now is just as guilty of premature judgement as anyone giving it 5 stars.

 

[Kernist]

That's true for every early access game, there will always be people who defend it from beginning to end, and people who hate on it from beginning to end; hell, that's true for everything in life, if you feel engaging in discussion is pointless because of the mere existence of diehards like that, then either don't participate in discussions at all or just go in to share your opinion without the expectation of changing anyone else's.

While I like the game, I recognize its flaws and will be holding off on giving it any sort of rating until it's at 1.0, because like every other Early Access game there's a lot of time for it to get better or worse. Frankly speaking, anyone giving it 1 star now is just as guilty of premature judgement as anyone giving it 5 stars.

I don't entirely agree. Judging you said giving it one star NOW is a bad thing suggests that in your opinion game doesn't deserve to be rated so harshly because of it's current state ( otherwise you wouldn't say "NOW"). I, however, believe that since reviews are editable we should be judging everything that for now is certain, that means everything we can see and experience ourselves. By that I mean not what Studio FOW is talking about their game, not what was promised in KS page, not what people are speculating, but only what the current version shows us. The only thing people agree on being good is VA, not something that should define a porn game. 1 star reviews are saying why it's so bad in their eyes based on what they are seeing. 5 star reviews are saying why it is so good based on what can come out of it in the future. Based on that I don't consider 1 star reviews and 5 star reviews being equivalently bad.

Edit: Also ofc you are free to wait with your review, but since you can edit your review anytime there is nothing wrong in saying what you like and don't about the game in it's current state.

 

[c.o.w]

So then you can't even compare the two. Even more of a point actually. Shoulda done more homework.

alright both are items has a price tag, so both items are a product, so i can compare both.
subverse is bad.

 

[Razrback16]

I don't entirely agree. Judging you said giving it one star NOW is a bad thing suggests that in your opinion game doesn't deserve to be rated so harshly because of it's current state ( otherwise you wouldn't say "NOW"). I, however, believe that since reviews are editable we should be judging everything that for now is certain, that means everything we can see and experience ourselves. By that I mean not what Studio FOW is talking about their game, not what was promised in KS page, not what people are speculating, but only what the current version shows us. The only thing people agree on being good is VA, not something that should define a porn game. 1 star reviews are saying why it's so bad in their eyes based on what they are seeing. 5 star reviews are saying why it is so good based on what can come out of it in the future. Based on that I don't consider 1 star reviews and 5 star reviews being equivalently bad.

Edit: Also ofc you are free to wait with your review, but since you can edit your review anytime there is nothing wrong in saying what you like and don't about the game in it's current state.

Good points. I may go ahead and post some of the stuff I've noted down on this game so far and just update the review as the game progresses to help folks out who haven't followed it during development.

 

[Joshua Tree]

Thats a lot of words to say you don't know what you're talking about.

Linear refers to narrative, sandbox refers to gameplay. Mass effect is a linear sandbox. Fallout is a linear sandbox. Dragonage is a linear sandbox. Story driven sandbox games are... get this... linear sandboxes. Even with the branch endings (subverse will not have as there is no Player choice in their game design) as one of them is always officially canon. Subverse is a failed linear sandbox, as their only sandbox mechanic is fucking map travel.

I don't see how a barney style breakdown how "Subverse cannot have a retroactively designed and implemented companion system due to the constraints of voiceacting alone." wasn't enough for you. Yeah with massive blood, time, and treasure they could make it not a lie, but it currently was and is a clear lie in their marketing about what the game would be. A lie. Requires a rebuild of their game from the ground up, mechanically and narratively to ever not be a lie.

Bruh, be more discerning in what you consume and defend. If you got trapped by the 2 hour tutorial designed to eat up the return window and need to justify the purchase a lot of this starts clicking into place.

Have you played Fallout or Mass Effect at all? Once initial throw off is done, you can explore and do things in your own order. Dragon Age as well, your sandbox have options, you can do things in the order you want. Sure the story got a start and a end, but you can decide how to end up at that end. There is multiple videos on youtube about people doing speedruns of sandbox games such as Fallout 3, Skyrim and others, bypassing all content to get to the end boss (whatever). How that for linear sandbox for you? You have the over arching main story and then you have side missions, companion /relationsmissions + whatever. If all had been linear you would had to do everything in a specific order, which you don't.

Maybe you should hold off with your hammer of judgement until the actual loyality miissions with the waifus implemented and how the actual dating thing in the bar end up. I prefer to wait until I see how a early access game end up before I throw judgement, write a review etc. Doing it at a 0.1 release with a "know it all" attitude and have no idea how the game end up down the road is pointless.

As for VA. Many games out there had voice actors come back to revise. For dlc's, for sequels and so forth. You make it sound like they done all the recordings, no more can be added or changed. That is silly.

I don't need to justify "my purchase because I bought enough games on early access in the past to know what I embarked on. You always take a risk with early access games but to throw judgment based on the very first release is just stupid. Just as well silly to write 5 star reviews on early access as it is to doom it based on your own hyped expectations.

I never been trapped in ANY game I didn't end up like because tab back to windows and shut down the application is an option other than have to endure something you don't like... I guess you LOVED the tutorial.... although I suspect you didn't actually buy it on steam at all...

 

[thatguyyyy]

I was hoping for such a high budget game that the scenes would be freecam 3D, but alas it is studioFOW so I should've had lower expectations.

 

[Joshua Tree]

I was hoping for such a high budget game that the scenes would be freecam 3D, but alas it is studioFOW so I should've had lower expectations.

You could always look into "AI Shoujo". I found it boring af though... for those arguing price, its on steam at like double of the price of Subverse...

 

[Gwedelino]

Uh, they haven't said they will change it either, so why expect it?

Because you perfectly know that it will happen anyway.

In two updates from now (but people will still complain after the Elaisha's expansion update):


But since they are talking about an "expansion" of the pandora system, it won't be a rework as a lot of people are expecting. They will probably just add a massive amount of "3 seconds loop" scenes.

What will suit people's tastes better will be the devotion quests / rewards. We know those rewards will bring complete porn cinematics (they talked about something like 3 minutes cinematics) but we don't know more. I just hope those quests don't reward player with "only" a final cinematic, but give something else before too.

 

[lovekun]

"tiny dev team"? What? Don't they have the budget for a much bigger team considering all the money they got.