Unreal Engine Completed Subverse [v1.1.1] [Studio Fow]

[Joshua Tree]

Studio Fow just wants some "Call of Duty audience"
I mean.., what could possibly go wrong?

Oh dear, imagne they out to try make a profit of their game. How dare they right? And the funny thing is majority of the degenerates here would never buy their game regardless. No game studio out there make a game that target "pirates" as their audience. If people where really that vested in critique this game, they wouldn't done it here, where SFOW doesn't even respond or linger about. You would done it on their steam forum, or their own site. Bitching and moaning here have absolutely no impact what so ever on their bottom line. The effect here is like that old guy in The Simpsons throwing a fist at the sky and yelling. By all means, please go on, but it doesn't achieve anything.

 

[Joshua Tree]

NBV find a post where I praised the game?

Think I been constant about a few things.

- I don't see the xeno stuff as ntr what so ever and its optinal if you want to see it or not.
(and people that get hung up over a few lines of text really got issues...)

- The game is nothing more or less than what they presented on their kickstarter page (when I first checked it out), or how it is presented on the steam store page. The shoot em up part, ground combat etc. What people had of expectations of what the game would be, that is on them, and that happened with a lot of games over the years. People "over-hype", and get let down over and over.

- The game is in early access, majority of the meat and potatoes that we were promised is not even released yet. People are throwing a tantrum over 26 lewd scenes that more or less there to show case the system. How Pandora is now with 26 scenes, and how it will be with several hundred scenes, is two different things. You will end up with people bitching and moaning over have to unlock the scenes, and rather want them extracted to see without play the game what so ever.

- The game is what it is, not necessary what everyone want it to be, and seeing all the stuff people ask for on steam and other places, thank fuck for that...

 

[Razrback16]

I think that even with an option to make it optional, it should only apply to the sex and some characters. Lily's entire character at her core and introduction is built around nymphomania. It's understandable for her to not mention Mantic sex after she's developed a relationship with the protagonist, but anything before that is simply neutering a character for those who truly want the entire game to be shaped for them, even if it's under the request of it being optional. Lily's sexual background is as part of her character as DBZ's Vegeta's pride and Saiyan worship is to him. In some stories there will be characters who are sexually active and open about it. Having Lily go from being that much of a slut to more reserved for the protagonist (IF the player romances her) would be character development. Completing deleting that part of her with a kill switch is almost censorship of who she is at that point. You guys' request to make the sex part and later references to it by some characters as an optional thing is completely fair, having the char's entire personality changed isn't.

These are very fair conversation points. Lily's character itself in the way it is written may just be a stand-alone deal breaker for some players. When I play the game, myself, I may just have to kind of 'go around her' character as much as possible as what you describe may be exactly the way the studio looks at it and if this type of content is so deeply ingrained and interwoven in her character and backstory then it's quite possible that no amount of options or switches will ever be able to address her character without borderline deleting her.

Somewhat tongue in cheek, but this brings me back to another post from a few days ago, and I can't remember the poster's name who had mentioned having the possibility of kicking her from the ship when that stuff is mentioned, but it would be a comical resolution for vanilla players that I'd absolutely choose if available - boot her from the ship, you lose her sniper special fire ability both in space and on the ground and then at that point Captain has to hit the battlefield himself and build his own army without mantic units. THAT could be the branching option. That or they could actually consider putting in an option where you can outright reject one of the girls for reasons like this and from that point forward that character is not romanceable and is almost like a 'bro'.

 

[Joshua Tree]

These are very fair conversation points. Lily's character itself in the way it is written may just be a stand-alone deal breaker for some players. When I play the game, myself, I may just have to kind of 'go around her' character as much as possible as what you describe may be exactly the way the studio looks at it and if this type of content is so deeply ingrained and interwoven in her character and backstory then it's quite possible that no amount of options or switches will ever be able to address her character without borderline deleting her.

Somewhat tongue in cheek, but this brings me back to another post from a few days ago, and I can't remember the poster's name who had mentioned having the possibility of kicking her from the ship when that stuff is mentioned, but it would be a comical resolution for vanilla players that I'd absolutely choose if available - boot her from the ship, you lose her sniper special fire ability both in space and on the ground and then at that point Captain has to hit the battlefield himself and build his own army without mantic units. THAT could be the branching option. That or they could actually consider putting in an option where you can outright reject one of the girls for reasons like this and from that point forward that character is not romanceable and is almost like a 'bro'.

Imagine you took a book, and ripped out the chapters you didn't like. Then you gave that book to someone else to read... Lilly is more to the ship and story than just make Mantics... Doesn't people pay any notice to the story at all?, is it just skip anything that doesn't lead to a sex scene? It's like playing Mass Effect and then refuse to have any crew members at all, and expect the story to make sense.

 

[Readerf2b]

It's like playing Mass Effect and then refuse to have any crew members at all, and expect the story to make sense.

Pretty easy to ignore most of team outside their recruitment missions.

 

[Thrway8113]

Man, have you considered sending your complaints to devs? I don't think they read this thread, so it would make more sense to post it maybe on their steam forum or in their discord... The game is still in early stages of development, so maybe SFOW will work on making NTR-ish stuff REALLY avoidable, if they receive more messages with constructive critisism and complaints like yours, who knows (>_>)

Agreed, good suggestion.

These are very fair conversation points. Lily's character itself in the way it is written may just be a stand-alone deal breaker for some players. When I play the game, myself, I may just have to kind of 'go around her' character as much as possible as what you describe may be exactly the way the studio looks at it and if this type of content is so deeply ingrained and interwoven in her character and backstory then it's quite possible that no amount of options or switches will ever be able to address her character without borderline deleting her.

Somewhat tongue in cheek, but this brings me back to another post from a few days ago, and I can't remember the poster's name who had mentioned having the possibility of kicking her from the ship when that stuff is mentioned, but it would be a comical resolution for vanilla players that I'd absolutely choose if available - boot her from the ship, you lose her sniper special fire ability both in space and on the ground and then at that point Captain has to hit the battlefield himself and build his own army without mantic units. THAT could be the branching option. That or they could actually consider putting in an option where you can outright reject one of the girls for reasons like this and from that point forward that character is not romanceable and is almost like a 'bro'.

Yeah, I remember the post you're talking about. And I like the idea that if you can't boot them from the ship, then render them just a colleague on the ship where they're only there for any story based events, essentially give the player the option to then tell Lily 'no thanks' if she's going to be into that stuff and have any content / discussion / dialogues involving her that aren't absolutely necessary for the primary quests to be made unavailable.

With all this discussion and how poorly of a job SFOW has done with this type of integration, I even more firmly believe that they should have just made the game for the people into the monsters and not even tried to introduce vanilla content. If Lily is written to be this depraved intrinsically, then I don't see any hope of recovery from it. Maybe I'm being pessimistic, but just my feeling on it. Maybe there will be a Subverse 2 or another IP at some point where they plan better regarding this stuff.

 

[Joshua Tree]

Pretty easy to ignore most of team outside their recruitment missions.

When people doesn't want characters such as Lilly at all... then recruitment missions would been a excluded thing to start with no? Mass Effect was quite liberal when it come to LGBTQ stuff. Should characters just been excluded and removed from your game because you knew there where options they could have gay romances even you didn't opt for them to have? Need to remove the main character, because Sheppard regardless of being male or female, could have same sex romance?

 

[anonaanonon]

You can avoid recruitting/boot/kill over half of the Mass Effect crew if you want to. Mass Effect is a game. Subverse so far is a kinetic novel with a couple asset flip minigames tagged on.

 

[Joshua Tree]

You can avoid recruitting/boot/kill over half of the Mass Effect crew if you want to. Mass Effect is a game. Subverse so far is a kinetic novel with a couple asset flip minigames tagged on.

Just as you can't progress in Mass Effect 1 without interact with Ash, you can't progress in Mass Effect 2 without interact with Miranda. You can't progress in Subverse without interact with Lilly. The kicker is, for both games, you can ignore any optional content with either character that isn't needed to progress the story. Yet there those that want to remove like Lilly from the game all together because of something they know the character can do, but not something they will opt in to watch her do.. its .... retarded...

 

[jenzu2]

I just bought this (about two hours ago) on Steam. It is only early access, but so far it is better then about 95% of the finished adult games out there. It also has better voice acting than a lot of the normal games. If you can, I'd like to recommend you purchase it.

doubt it i seen the girls in this game doesn't look like anything fancy

 

[c.o.w]

doubt it i seen the girls in this game doesn't look like anything fancy

that comment was on Mar 26, 2021 when the quality of the product was being debated. I will admit the game had a good hype start but the train just hit the brakes. We're in developement hell

 

[Readerf2b]

doubt it i seen the girls in this game doesn't look like anything fancy

Caracter design excluding protagonist in subverse is top quality.

 

[jenzu2]

You know, for what it's worth, this is still one of the better porn games out there. That's a damning with faint praise take considering 99% of the "finished" ones are kind of trash or super short in content but overall this is genuinely pretty okay so far. I genuinely enjoy both of the game modes so far. The voice acting sounds okay enough by porn game standards and visuals' polish rivals that of an Illusion game or the Fallen Doll/Project Lovecraft devs.

My only real gripe so far is that, as much as it overall is fairly enjoyable for what it is so far, the writing did make me go "Who is this even for," at various points. The constant 4th wall breaks and dead meme spouting feels like the game was written by a cynical old man trying to appeal to the young adults of this generation and the commentary + satire the game make it feel like this game is going to become a ticking timebomb of controversies from all sides as development of this project progresses.

While I'm at it, I think "how much game should a porn game actually have" is a catch 22 kind of discussion. I've seen people here complain about Illusion's games, which tend to focus on the porn more than actual gameplay, being "more of the same." I personally feel what we have so far has potential to be pretty good in both departments in spite of the faults people are pointing out here and as far as porn games go that's pretty damn good in my book.

ToN and lust epidemic had better animations lol

 

[Deleted member 324588]

ToN and lust epidemic had better animations lol

Lust's haven't aged well. Treasure was an improvement, but you could also argue those for the same '5 second gifs' people have complained about here. They have multiple angles, but not much else. They're also voiceless atm, I noticed they had generic moans in the beginnings, but they're now silent besides cum sounds. Dunno if that means they'll be getting voices when the game's done, but that's them at the current time.

 

[j4yj4m]

Lust's haven't aged well.

That's very normal for 3D though. I don't know a single 3D game that really ages well and I doubt any games will for quite some time. It's one of the great upsides of 2D, that even stuff that's 50 years old can still look good, while most 3D stuff lookes dated as soon as the next generation has arrived - unless it's very cartoony, in that case time seems a bit more forgiving.

Else it's always hard to compare. NLT's releases are fully optimized towards quick releases and everything is just as good as it has to be to enable a very, very tight schedule, while the game still meets almost all of the requirements his community has. Someone obviously put a lot of thought and planning into that game. Sadly the same can't be said about every dev/studio...

 

[Deleted member 324588]

That's very normal for 3D though. I don't know a single 3D game that really ages well and I doubt any games will for quite some time. It's one of the great upsides of 2D, that even stuff that's 50 years old can still look good, while most 3D stuff lookes dated as soon as the next generation has arrived - unless it's very cartoony, in that case time seems a bit more forgiving.

Else it's always hard to compare. NLT's releases are fully optimized towards quick releases and everything is just as good as it has to be to enable a very, very tight schedule, while the game still meets almost all of the requirements his community has. Someone obviously put a lot of thought and planning into that game. Sadly the same can't be said about every dev/studio...

Agreed. Some certainly take their sweet time *stares at Milfy City*. While we obviously don't know everything about how their lives are going, some do drag their feet. And oftentimes they don't even bother pausing their Patreon.

March to October is a long wait for many, I'm sure. But given the size and scale of the project, as well extenuating factors (as stated in the last dev blog, their lead developer went on paternity leave as he had a kid), as well as hiring new staff and getting them acclimated to the project. So with any luck this'll be the longest gap between content drops, as they should be able to work much faster.

 

[Joshua Tree]

Else it's always hard to compare. NLT's releases are fully optimized towards quick releases and everything is just as good as it has to be to enable a very, very tight schedule, while the game still meets almost all of the requirements his community has. Someone obviously put a lot of thought and planning into that game. Sadly the same can't be said about every dev/studio...

Majority of the games that hit this site is made by hobby creators that make the game on their spare time. Majority of these again seem to just make things up as they go along, or let their supporters take on "back seat" creativity role by votes and silliness. A game that hit the "completed" stage, is an achievement on its own, regardless of bad they are these days.

 

[j4yj4m]

Oh, it looks like that sounded a lot more negative than it should have. Apart from real scams and devs with obvious troubles like ICSTOR, I don't really mind if a dev takes longer, as long as he does what he promised and as long as there's a purpose.
There are quite a number of decent devs out here who often change their mind, add content to updates and crash their own schedule because of that, but as long as it's worth it, that's a good thing.

I just wanted to say that something like that wouldn't happen to NLT. Everything in his/their games is just as good as it has to be to meet the schedule, but that's certainly a quality on its own. Then again, I'm really happy that most games aren't like that, because in that case we'd never see something actually special or passionate. And that does almost certainly include the animations people talked about, too.

 

[Deleted member 324588]

I know this was about Cyberpunk, but man does it feel relevant:

 

[Edelvays]

I don't know, there's no immersion in this game.
The comedy is like something out of a Marvel movie, and this constant 4th wall breaking ruins everything.
And the fact that after three deaths you can just skip a level - completely ruins the gameplay.
The sex scenes also feel more like "just a sex animation" rather than a full-blown sex scene.
Disappointed.