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If they keep add 5-8gb to the game size for every update... Buying the game will seem like the better option unless you want to hold off until it's done and download the entire thing then.
That's why I literally said this in the post you quoted: " If you are bandwidth-limited, I'd say just wait for the final version. "

And that's ultimately what I'd recommend for bandwidth limited gamers as the better option, but GOG is the best course if they want to buy it so they can refund it within 30 days if desired. I have massive internet bandwidth so it's not a concern for me to re-download the game every time especially since I don't consider it worth any money at this point in time.
 

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Maybe you should mention it's not actual gif loops as well.

What you expect means nothing, you are not the one that employ the people and pay the wages.
Technically I paid part of their wages since I bought the game on Steam thus making me a customer with expectations. Also, given the studio's history I think everyone expected more than animated gif loops. They used to make 40 minutes porn videos so animating stuff doesn't seem to be a problem for them.
 

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Technically I paid part of their wages since I bought the game on Steam thus making me a customer with expectations. Also, given the studio's history I think everyone expected more than animated gif loops. They used to make 40 minutes porn videos so animating stuff doesn't seem to be a problem for them.
Buying the game is not the same as buy stocks in a company. Buying the game doesn't give you any power over development either. If you believe that then you no better than the Chinese mob that is review bombing it atm.

You didn't pay notice to animations outside of Pandora then? Doesn't matter how you see it though, it's not gif loops, its real time in the unreal engine. Also if you expected every scene in pandora to be 40 minute videos you not really grounded in reality.
 
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Bruce_Wayne18

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Buying the game is not the same as buy stocks in a company. Buying the game doesn't give you any power over development either. If you believe that then you no better than the Chinese mob that is review bombing it atm.

You didn't pay notice to animations outside of Pandora then? Doesn't matter how you see it though, it's not gif loops, its real time in the unreal engine. Also if you expected every scene in pandora to be 40 minute videos you not really grounded in reality.
So as a consumer I don't have the right to criticize a product I bought and can see very clear ways to improve upon it? It's called consumer feedback and many companies consider it valuable, especially to projects that are still unfinished.

And I couldn't care less for the animations outside pandora. We both know the ONLY reason people buy this game and it's not for the lore or moving 3d models in the story mode.

I would be 100% overjoyed if it was just still images during story sequences and full on interactive videos in pandora. You can polish the game after finishing it, what matters now and what the game lacks imo is more mature content.

Also you seem very emotionally invested in this, are you an employee or have any stocks in the studio? Unironically asking.
 

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Buying the game is not the same as buy stocks in a company. Buying the game doesn't give you any power over development either. If you believe that then you no better than the Chinese mob that is review bombing it atm.

You didn't pay notice to animations outside of Pandora then? Doesn't matter how you see it though, it's not gif loops, its real time in the unreal engine. Also if you expected every scene in pandora to be 40 minute videos you not really grounded in reality.
I dunno getting enough woke/angry people to cancel shit could really hurt development.
 
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Joshua Tree

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So as a consumer I don't have the right to criticize a product I bought and can see very clear ways to improve upon it?

And I couldn't care less for the animations outside pandora. We both know the ONLY reason people buy this game and it's not for the lore or moving 3d models in the story mode.

I would be 100% overjoyed if it was just still images during story sequences and full on interactive videos in pandora. You can polish the game after finishing it, what matters now and what the game lacks imo is more mature content.

Also you seem very emotionally invested in this, are you an employee or have any stocks in the studio? Unironically asking.
Of course you have the right to criticize something if you unhappy over it. But you have no right to demand direction of development. You saying you care nothing about the animations outside of Pandora, but so far this is where FOW excelled with their work. Story, VA's. There is nothing out there that rival this. which a a lot of reviews on steam applaud them for.

You are mad because the game is not what you want it to be, or expected it to be. They are not making a interactive movie, they are making a game. That been clear from the very start.
 

Joshua Tree

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I dunno getting enough woke/angry people to cancel shit could really hurt development.
The Chinese mob been doing similar review bombing on other games on Steam. If I recall right the game Little Witch Noberta something, got review bombed because some big mayhem over VA's wasn't approved by the Chinese fans. Those bad reviews was later removed by Steam. I guess we might see the ones on Subverse get removed as well. Quite interesting though as many of these bad reviews is of people that played for a like half a hour etc. Like someone is organizing them to buy the game, write a bad review and then refund the game.

Oh and in the term of woke.....(which by the way is a word with origin in fight against social injustice). That doesn't fit these Chinese players at all.

The number of positive reviews in all of this that for most parts is giving the finger to the Chinese, show a lot of people care about the game and FOW though.
 
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They could do way worse to the team. I wouldn’t be surprised if they get ransomware hacked and get locked out of all of their computers, have their sensitive HR information leaked to the public, etc.
 

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The Chinese mob been doing similar review bombing on other games on Steam. If I recall right the game Little Witch Noberta something, got review bombed because some big mayhem over VA's wasn't approved by the Chinese fans. Those bad reviews was later removed by Steam. I guess we might see the ones on Subverse get removed as well. Quite interesting though as many of these bad reviews is of people that played for a like half a hour etc. Like someone is organizing them to buy the game, write a bad review and then refund the game.

Oh and in the term of woke.....(which by the way is a word with origin in fight against social injustice). That doesn't fit these Chinese players at all.

The number of positive reviews in all of this that for most parts is giving the finger to the Chinese, show a lot of people care about the game and FOW though.
Just wondering, how long does it usually take for Steam to take action against such review bombing?
 

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No idea. For noberta it started early October, and checking now it's gone. So probably some time.
FOW is most likely a smaller company than Nobeta Devs and Subverse obviously has a much smaller reach than Nobeta since it's an adult game, so I hope the review bombing does not do any significant damage to the development of the game by the time Steam takes any action.
 

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FOW is most likely a smaller company than Nobeta Devs and Subverse obviously has a much smaller reach than Nobeta since it's an adult game, so I hope the review bombing does not do any significant damage to the development of the game by the time Steam takes any action.
Noberta just a small indy dev afaik. Probably about same size or smaller than FOW.

 

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And new update, won't tl:dr it as its a lot of imagery and talk from the dev team about their roles and what they're up to.

 
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Joshua Tree

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I doubt that were review bombs. After the gallery "update" over 51% and maybe even more reviews were negative. Steam is just removing legitimate reviews of a legitimately terrible and lackluster game, that is a cash cow. Nothing new honestly. And Yes, those are literaly gifs.
Valve doesn't tend to remove thousands of negative reviews that happen in the spawn of a few days for no reason. It didn't help when like 90% of these was signed with pro China stuff, calling FOW for racist pigs etc. Chinese players made a big issue of FOW saying they saw no traffic data from mainland China, meanwhile the same players use vpn's to hide their traffic. They took that as FOW didn't acknowledge Chinese players/backers, and went all political about it. Even though further up in the post FOW did acknowledge their Chinese backers and appreciated them and their support.

No "legitimate reviews" been removed. You find negative reviews there still. Several thousand pro FOW reviews got removed alongside the thousands of Chinese ones. It turned into a cluster fuck of a culture war over a smut game. I guess all publicity is good publicity because FOW seem to came out on top.

A indy dev that creating a game called "Little Witch Noberta" got review bombed by much of the same people for much of the same reasons earlier in October. If you dig deeper into Steam about review bombing you will find more that suffered the same. I don't think the Chinese Subverse players earned themselves any favors doing this though.
 
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Joshua Tree

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I still see the review bombed store page from my side though, even after restarting my Steam client. I wonder why.

Edit: Never mind. It was due to my Steam client settings.
Maybe you got "off-topic review activity" disabled.

This was weird, my post did include your edit, but when I posted it wasn't in there... made my reply void :p
 
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