Unreal Engine Completed Subverse [v1.2.01 DLC] [Studio Fow]

[TheEnthusiast777]

I think this is where the discussion just keeps looping.

Rape or mind-control scenes don’t automatically make something NTR. Netorare is specifically about losing someone to another person with the whole jealousy/humiliation angle. That’s not really how those scenes are framed in Subverse.

Also, having a romance path doesn’t mean “locked monogamy by default”. The game is pretty upfront that the relationships are non-exclusive and more poly/open, not “she got stolen from the MC”.

If this forum wants to use “NTR” as a super broad label for any non-exclusive romance, that’s fine as a tagging choice but that doesn’t suddenly make it netorare by actual genre or JP definitions.

At that point, it’s less about Subverse itself and more about how loose the tag is being used here.

I mean, that's why I think the form should change tags or add more. After all, there are cultural differences, some places just simply don't take polyamory as a normal thing.

But in JP, Netorare doesn't simply refer to being stolen, it also encompasses situations like rape, unwillingly, unknowing, etc. IE: Like many Netorare JRPG if lose the battle, your mates/romance will get raped and such. You are not there to witness.
It's not jealousy/humiliation or stealing, but simply a rape scene, which is still marked as netorare. I feel the term NTR is quite different here.

Also there is a J game where you run a brothel, but if a client is particularly skilled, your girls will have a netorare debuff. However, there's no stealing or jealousy involved. I don't even feel there is romance between you and those girls who are selling. But J-devs still mark it as a netorare.

Like the term "cuckold" can refer to cheating (netorare), but also it can refer to a situation where it happens willingly (humiliation netorase). Swinging/sharing is also considered as netorase. But the word 寝取らせ (netorase) is translated to cuckolding.

They need more tags to describe the situation more specifically. Like polyamory, sharing, swinging, cuckolding is something a lot of posts lack. Also the game itself is using the word NTR. Things were already a mess, and now they're even worse.

 

[Mr. Weeaboo]

I think this is where the discussion just keeps looping.

Rape or mind-control scenes don’t automatically make something NTR. Netorare is specifically about losing someone to another person with the whole jealousy/humiliation angle. That’s not really how those scenes are framed in Subverse.

Also, having a romance path doesn’t mean “locked monogamy by default”. The game is pretty upfront that the relationships are non-exclusive and more poly/open, not “she got stolen from the MC”.

If this forum wants to use “NTR” as a super broad label for any non-exclusive romance, that’s fine as a tagging choice but that doesn’t suddenly make it netorare by actual genre or JP definitions.

At that point, it’s less about Subverse itself and more about how loose the tag is being used here.

like I said before the tag is only there because people in this forum kept saying it should be added, because they took waifu to be literal when it’s just a joke like most of the terms in the game (you buy the scenes with PP, like cmon it’s not that deep).

But the mods aren’t likely to change it at this point it’s existed for 5 years now.

 

[TheEnthusiast777]

Using your hard-earned points to watch your girls getting raping-bred.

Sure, I mean, everyone has their kinks.

Since all discussions seem to be going in circles, I think I should just leave it at that. Perhaps in the future, we can hope for more precise tags?

Wishing all gentlemen a pleasant day!

 

[PayneToTheMax]

At that point, it’s less about Subverse itself and more about how loose the tag is being used here.

One might say looser than the girls in this game are.

Seriously, though. The reason why it's so loosely thrown around is because of all the emotionally attached coom-brains that were created during the covid lockdowns who subsided porn games with actual relationships and who got it in their head that any female character in a porn game having sex with someone other than the MC = NTR.

 

[Gtg Gtg]

Any other good games like Subverse out there? Or it's one-of-a-kind?

 

[Nyxcro]

Any other good games like Subverse out there? Or it's one-of-a-kind?

Depends what you are looking for the most, are we talking a good sci-fi thematic porn game, or are you just looking for top notch animations?

 

[TheEnthusiast777]

One might say looser than the girls in this game are.

Seriously, though. The reason why it's so loosely thrown around is because of all the emotionally attached coom-brains that were created during the covid lockdowns who subsided porn games with actual relationships and who got it in their head that any female character in a porn game having sex with someone other than the MC = NTR.

Well, I think it is because of a lack of tags. Like there are so many posts that will have someone ask, "Is there any NTR?"
There are 3 types of NTR, but this forum only has one. Moreover, its definition here seems different from the traditional.

It's so loosely used because this forum is lacking some Western or other tags like open relationship, polyamory, gangbang, mmf, and so.
It is kinda confusing in case someone doesn't want a polyamory game.

I mean, I've seen games with "harem" and "romance" tags, only to find out they have sharing and polyamory.
Guys, a warning about potential pitfalls?

 

[netcov]

Any other good games like Subverse out there? Or it's one-of-a-kind?

In what regards similar to subverse? As a whole game and concept subverse is one-of-a-kind.
The amount of real-time rendered animations and how you can replay them is unique to subverse, if I recall correctly. No gallery of a game I know replicates that.
Most of the other games working with actual real-time rendering scenes are not that good unfortunately. Be it in regards to quality of animations or polished gameplay (as far as it can be before it switches from an erotic game to a game with erotic elements).

Narrative-wise there are a lot of comedic visual novels, gameplay-wise it's probably better to look for something on the non-erotic mass of games.

 

[Mr. Weeaboo]

Any other good games like Subverse out there? Or it's one-of-a-kind?

Doubtful cant think of any adult game that got a successful kickstarter campaign

 

[Nyxcro]

Doubtful cant think of any adult game that got a successful kickstarter campaign

I don't think he is looking for the most successful game, but what that is on the level of that quality, and there are porn games that are on that level of quality, best example being Eternum.

 

[PayneToTheMax]

I don't think he is looking for the most successful game, but what that is on the level of that quality, and there are porn games that are on that level of quality, best example being Eternum.

I guess overall production value would be vastly different, though. Eternum, for example, has no voice acting. Even something like Projekt Passion only has some voice acting here and there.

And then there's the gameplay part. Subverse got a bit more going on than a visual novel does. Which is not a dig, Eternum has a really great story. And definitely one more thoughtout than shit like BaDIK which is literally going nowhere.

 

[Mr. Weeaboo]

I don't think he is looking for the most successful game, but what that is on the level of that quality, and there are porn games that are on that level of quality, best example being Eternum.

I guess overall production value would be vastly different, though. Eternum, for example, has no voice acting. Even something like Projekt Passion only has some voice acting here and there.

And then there's the gameplay part. Subverse got a bit more going on than a visual novel does. Which is not a dig, Eternum has a really great story. And definitely one more thoughtout than shit like BaDIK which is literally going nowhere.

What’s critical as to why subverse is what it is also comes down to project management. They didn’t rest on their laurels and chill with a monthly Patreon income as so many games on here are want to do. They had their budget they had their plans and didn’t change them. There was a rough start, but then they stuck to a 3-4 month update period, giving us whole chunks of the game at a time, collecting feedback and actually applying it. The grind was lessened, combat was cut back, an out was given for those that struggled.

It’s astounding that this game was funded and completed in just 5 years, when there are games of much less complexity that have been going on since before this game’s existence and are still being made.

It baffles my mind how milfy city is like one of the most viewed and replied threads as it just languished in an incomplete state for ages. Then the dev had to up and change the names and such (thanks payment processors and your pearl clutching).

 

[Nyxcro]

I guess overall production value would be vastly different, though. Eternum, for example, has no voice acting. Even something like Projekt Passion only has some voice acting here and there.

And then there's the gameplay part. Subverse got a bit more going on than a visual novel does. Which is not a dig, Eternum has a really great story. And definitely one more thoughtout than shit like BaDIK which is literally going nowhere.

I agree, I just don't know what the the guy thinks as a quality work, he wasn't very specific. XD

 

[Nyxcro]

What’s critical as to why subverse is what it is also comes down to project management. They didn’t rest on their laurels and chill with a monthly Patreon income as so many games on here are want to do. They had their budget they had their plans and didn’t change them. There was a rough start, but then they stuck to a 3-4 month update period, giving us whole chunks of the game at a time, collecting feedback and actually applying it. The grind was lessened, combat was cut back, an out was given for those that struggled.

It’s astounding that this game was funded and completed in just 5 years, when there are games of much less complexity that have been going on since before this game’s existence and are still being made.

It baffles my mind how milfy city is like one of the most viewed and replied threads as it just languished in an incomplete state for ages. Then the dev had to up and change the names and such (thanks payment processors and your pearl clutching).

Yeah a lot of devs just dissapear or do a rushed ending. Yes, Subverse had some hiccups, but it still doesn't deserve the score it has on this page.

 

[ogfh3489021]

Well, I think it is because of a lack of tags. Like there are so many posts that will have someone ask, "Is there any NTR?"
There are 3 types of NTR, but this forum only has one. Moreover, its definition here seems different from the traditional.

It's so loosely used because this forum is lacking some Western or other tags like open relationship, polyamory, gangbang, mmf, and so.
It is kinda confusing in case someone doesn't want a polyamory game.

I mean, I've seen games with "harem" and "romance" tags, only to find out they have sharing and polyamory.
Guys, a warning about potential pitfalls?

At this point the tags on hentai game are so messed up that NTR only means cuckery. You just ignore tags and ask in forum for warnings. The devs of The censor puts NTR tag in DLSite (A game where the MC fucks everyone's wife and GF)while the MC doesn't even have a girlfriend.

 

[TheEnthusiast777]

At this point the tags on hentai game are so messed up that NTR only means cuckery. You just ignore tags and ask in forum for warnings. The devs of The censor puts NTR tag in DLSite (A game where the MC fucks everyone's wife and GF)while the MC doesn't even have a girlfriend.

Exactly. The NTR tag is now synonymous with netorare, and on Western forums here, it's been misinterpreted to mean that it's only if your girl is stolen. It's such a disgrace. The original meaning encompasses many different situations.

Using NTR on DLSite is messed up too. The dev should use Netori.

What surprised me most is that this forum full of people seemed to think that polyamory means that your girl being blackmailed/raped is perfectly fine. Let alone they've been raped so good into submission.
I'm truly baffled.

 

[PayneToTheMax]

At this point the tags on hentai game are so messed up that NTR only means cuckery. You just ignore tags and ask in forum for warnings. The devs of The censor puts NTR tag in DLSite (A game where the MC fucks everyone's wife and GF)while the MC doesn't even have a girlfriend.

Pretty sure the correct tag for that would be Hitozuma because banging someone's wife.