VN Ren'Py Succession [Demo] [Covert Ape]

[Surmikas]

Content is our goal, and a lot of it. We're trying to ascertain as to WHO our audience is right now, because this is our first AVN. We don't know who vibes with this kind of story, or what kinks come with that, yet, from our audiences expectations. If there's enough of a voice for a certain kink, and it fits into the story and MC's journey, we'll do our best to find opportunities to interact with it. Thanks for the feedback!

Future tags on the way!

Lady Ape
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"ascertain as to WHO our audience is"
You've only recently started developing, you don't have an audience yet. The audience is whatever you decide with the kinks you add to the VN. Any audience can "vibe" with this story.

This is our first AVN on F95 and we are learning what the tags mean to users before we unrealistically set any expectations. As in, we are deciding whether or not to use certain tags simply because elements of it can be included in the game. We don't want to declare tags that define an overarching theme and then be underrepresented.

For instance - this is not an NTR/CUCK game. Nor will there be an option to end up with everyone (harem). However, there will be situations where elements of these could be present throughout the seasons, but avoidable for the player if they choose.

As I said, this is our first foray onto F95, so we are taking our time to consider how to brand the future tags so that there is no confusion, while also chatting and taking on feedback for our game.

Thanks so much for the engagement!

Lady Ape
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You said there was going to be a Harem on the first page of the thread, for there to be a harem it has to have an ending, if not it's just a group sex with many LIs, it's not the same.

Could you clarify what you mean by NTR/Cuck? Is the MC going to be a cuck or is he going to make someone else a cuck?

 

[CovertApe]

The premise sounds interesting and the renders look pretty good, but I feel like there's a couple of red flags:

-From the dev's comments, it sounds like there will be a ton of characters which worries me that most of them won't really get fleshed out (see WVM or most real porn games for extreme examples of this going wrong).

-The whole "content based on what the players want" thing, which I can't remember ever ending well for any game. It also makes it sound like the devs don't really have a plan for the story.

-Bending over and willing to change the characters/story to please Patreon. This and the previous point makes it sound like the main point is money and the game is just a means to an end.

I hope I'm wrong because I want to like the game, those are just the impressions I got from reading the thread.

But if we can suggest things: I wish the MC was actually related to the other people fighting for the inheritance, it would add to the drama and make it much more interesting.

If there's a plan for an incest patch don't mention it here, you need to keep plausible deniability.

Appreciate the concerns! Thank you so much for taking the time.

With four seasons in planning, I truly think we can flesh out all of the characters and our approach is story first - as in, the story came first and the AVN came after. So we have a story, and are adapting it for this medium. When I say I will allow user engagement on how the story decisions play out, it's more about naming new characters, choosing a hair colour, nothing that is pivotal to the story itself. I don't do any bending over backwards, I have a bad back.

I'm very protective over my existing characters, and don't wish to do them dirty by essentially turning them into bodies for kink hire. I think this will cheapen our game and will not be doing it.

You can of course suggest anything! We are avoiding 'real incest' by not having MC related to the family on purpose, more that the marriage between Miriam and the Duke places them all in this inheritance circumstance rather than creates a kink dynamic. If people still enjoy it for that, then that's awesome, too.

Thank you so so much for your feedback, it really is appreciated that you take the time to do this.

Lady Ape
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[512]

will these two be playable characters?

 

[CovertApe]

First, thank you for not putting a version number on the header here, or the version label. I wish you'd also avoided it in the file name since calling *this* a 1.0 release is obviously wrong.

a 1.0 release is the finished product.

This is a 0.0.1 release at best.

The cast page? The back label in the upper left? Doesn't bring you back. At least not until you've clicked it enough times to equal the number of cast pages you've opened? That's just some renpy weirdness right there.

You named the main character. The player doesn't get to customize the name. That's a negative for most players.

So far the game seems pretty exposition heavy, but hopefully that will improve as the releases go forward.

Hiya

Thanks so much for your feedback.

Regarding the version, we aren't going to be updating this demo but rather releasing the whole of Episode One as the first 0.1 Thank you for pointing it out though!

We will check out the renpy weirdness... maybe just missed a label somewhere.

Re the name changing, we do have the ability to change the first name currently available when he gets the phone call. Do you mean it would be better to change the whole name as an option?

Thanks!

Lady Ape
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[CovertApe]

will these two be playable characters?
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I wish. They're fun.

 

[MadMoonMan69]

So is it wrong to imagine the lawyer speaking with a Scottish brogue? Or is the resemblance to Sean Connery an accident? I am expecting him next to use the line from Highlander - "There can be only one!"

Great game so far = only disappointment is not being able to give some cream to our Kitty!

 

[AnimeHentaiGamer]

looks amazing will keep my eye on this. glad dev open to all kinds of kinks

 

[DIKHammer]

MC's bush needs to go

Outside Car Images are missing

Its definitely a demo but its intriguing for sure

 

[CovertApe]

"ascertain as to WHO our audience is"
You've only recently started developing, you don't have an audience yet. The audience is whatever you decide with the kinks you add to the VN. Any audience can "vibe" with this story.

You said there was going to be a Harem on the first page of the thread, for there to be a harem it has to have an ending, if not it's just a group sex with many LIs, it's not the same.

Could you clarify what you mean by NTR/Cuck? Is the MC going to be a cuck or is he going to make someone else a cuck?

Thanks for the clarification! We are newly navigating what the tags mean on F95 and the expectation as to the representation in the game. With further feedback, we will not be adding harem to our tag list, as we don't have a "group ending" planned. Our confusion with the tag lay with the 'inclusion' of harem-like group encounters within the gameplay. We don't think it represents harem in the way the tag suggests so we're not going to use it. In regards to NTR/CUCK, we are not going to make MC a cuck. We do not plan for him to make anyone else a cuck. Again - by using elements of these kinks (that can be avoided by the player), we don't want to define the entire game with a tag that may be under represented. Because one of our characters is married and becomes a LI for MC, we assumed we would need to include NTR/cheating, but we don't think this is representative of what is expected of that tag, either, or how that story plays out. Sorry for the confusion! We will post the official future tag list soon.

Agreed, we don't have an audience yet. But with it being a game that isn't a exactly a live service product, we can be more community focused while developing the game. Although this is our first foray into the AVN f95 scene, we have a long history with game devving and are taking a different approach with this kind of product.

Thanks so much again for your feedback. Really appreciate it.

Lady Ape
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[yunosykk]

It's impossible to please everyone - we've actively created the story to be able to include certain kinks around the edges and we won't bend the quality of the game to try and get everyone. We will tick as many boxes as we can without hurting the integrity of the project. When we say we'll ask for what people want, it's more an information gathering practise to find out WHAT people are looking for - but we may not be the devs to give that to them (if you get my drift).

hey dev CovertApe , can we have a futa/trans LI

 

[CovertApe]

So is it wrong to imagine the lawyer speaking with a Scottish brogue? Or is the resemblance to Sean Connery an accident? I am expecting him next to use the line from Highlander - "There can be only one!"

Great game so far = only disappointment is not being able to give some cream to our Kitty!

I'm glad I'm not the only one who saw him as one of the clan. great idea for the line... I'm sure they won't notice...will they?

One order of cream coming right up.

Lady Ape
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[CovertApe]

MC's bush needs to go

Outside Car Images are missing

Its definitely a demo but its intriguing for sure

Thanks for the feedback!

Yeah my bad about the images. Already fixed for Episode One drop.

What are your thoughts on a 'hairless' option version? Ala being able to turn off body hair? Would that be a hell yeah?

Thanks!

Lady Ape
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[Surmikas]

Thanks for the clarification! We are newly navigating what the tags mean on F95 and the expectation as to the representation in the game. With further feedback, we will not be adding harem to our tag list, as we don't have a "group ending" planned. Our confusion with the tag lay with the 'inclusion' of harem-like group encounters within the gameplay. We don't think it represents harem in the way the tag suggests so we're not going to use it. In regards to NTR/CUCK, we are not going to make MC a cuck. We do not plan for him to make anyone else a cuck. Again - by using elements of these kinks (that can be avoided by the player), we don't want to define the entire game with a tag that may be under represented. Because one of our characters is married and becomes a LI for MC, we assumed we would need to include NTR/cheating, but we don't think this is representative of what is expected of that tag, either, or how that story plays out. Sorry for the confusion! We will post the official future tag list soon.

Agreed, we don't have an audience yet. But with it being a game that isn't a exactly a live service product, we can be more community focused while developing the game. Although this is our first foray into the AVN f95 scene, we have a long history with game devving and are taking a different approach with this kind of product.

Thanks so much again for your feedback. Really appreciate it.

Lady Ape
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You don't need the NTR tag, just cheating. NTR/NTRS means that the MC would be a cuck, which creates confusion when you use that tag to describe the situation. This user was talking about making the MC a cuck, not what you just described. Thanks for the clarification.


Just to clear my doubts, are the other men in the VN going to fuck the LIs?

 

[Saint Blackmoor]

The comments are more entertaining than the game.

The game is good, too.

 

[Alex Lem]

Thanks for the clarification! We are newly navigating what the tags mean on F95 and the expectation as to the representation in the game. With further feedback, we will not be adding harem to our tag list, as we don't have a "group ending" planned. Our confusion with the tag lay with the 'inclusion' of harem-like group encounters within the gameplay. We don't think it represents harem in the way the tag suggests so we're not going to use it. In regards to NTR/CUCK, we are not going to make MC a cuck. We do not plan for him to make anyone else a cuck. Again - by using elements of these kinks (that can be avoided by the player), we don't want to define the entire game with a tag that may be under represented. Because one of our characters is married and becomes a LI for MC, we assumed we would need to include NTR/cheating, but we don't think this is representative of what is expected of that tag, either, or how that story plays out. Sorry for the confusion! We will post the official future tag list soon.

Agreed, we don't have an audience yet. But with it being a game that isn't a exactly a live service product, we can be more community focused while developing the game. Although this is our first foray into the AVN f95 scene, we have a long history with game devving and are taking a different approach with this kind of product.

Thanks so much again for your feedback. Really appreciate it.

Lady Ape
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"Because one of our characters is married and becomes a LI for MC, we assumed we would need to include NTR/cheating" NO, that's not how it works, if LI's who have a boyfriend or husband sleep with MC, it's not ntr, it's only ntr if girls cheat on MC, the protagonist of the game, and they not necessarily have to be MC's girlfriend or wife, any girl who can become LI in the game, if she have sex scenes with other male characters in the game, and she can become LI for MC then its NTR, even if she and MC not even met yeat, this female character will become dead for me and most of the players.
Again, NOT NTR - if potential LI have a husband or boyfriend, NTR - if the game shows sex scenes with LI and her husband or boyfriend or with any other male character other than MC.
Having ntr in the game is like having a virus, maybe there is a very small vocal minority who will like it, but mostly people who see this tag will immediately add the game to the ignore list without even trying it, and if you add this tag just for a reason - LI is cheating on her boyfriend with MC, it will be a terrible mistake, and it will cost you a lot, but if there are LI cheating on MC in the game, or scenes of potential LI with other male characters, then yes, you should add this tag.

 

[DarknessDai]

You don't need the NTR tag, just cheating. NTR/NTRS means that the MC would be a cuck, which creates confusion when you use that tag to describe the situation. This user was talking about making the MC a cuck, not what you just described. Thanks for the clarification.
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Just to clear my doubts, are the other men in the VN going to fuck the LIs?

This user bruh made an example of me lol , literally the dev answerd all questions there is no harem ending and there can be some elements of ntr either Netori you ducking others or engaging in group sex it's all based on choices and everything will be avoidable, and the main story and plot lines won't change based on patreon

 

[yunosykk]

"Because one of our characters is married and becomes a LI for MC, we assumed we would need to include NTR/cheating" NO, that's not how it works, if LI's who have a boyfriend or husband sleep with MC, it's not ntr

it's called NeToRi... it is one of the types of NTR

 

[CovertApe]

You don't need the NTR tag, just cheating. NTR/NTRS means that the MC would be a cuck, which creates confusion when you use that tag to describe the situation. This user was talking about making the MC a cuck, not what you just described. Thanks for the clarification.
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Just to clear my doubts, are the other men in the VN going to fuck the LIs?

Thanks for your clarification. Can't state enough that we are new to F95, so are learning all of the tags and their implications - so thank you truly for helping us understand what they mean to the users.

On the last point, we plan for the LIs to be exclusive to the MC. The theme of our AVN is a sexual romance, if that helps to clarify what the story will be like. There is free roam, in which there will be opportunities in which to advance or add flavour to the main story, which can include both main and side characters (who are not active LIs/ending paths), but are ways to explore fun situations and kinks or just enjoy bonus content - if you wish to interact with them - but you don't have to. Hope that helps

Thanks again,

Lady Ape
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[CovertApe]

"Because one of our characters is married and becomes a LI for MC, we assumed we would need to include NTR/cheating" NO, that's not how it works, if LI's who have a boyfriend or husband sleep with MC, it's not ntr, it's only ntr if girls cheat on MC, the protagonist of the game, and they not necessarily have to be MC's girlfriend or wife, any girl who can become LI in the game, if she have sex scenes with other male characters in the game, and she can become LI for MC then its NTR, even if she and MC not even met yeat, this female character will become dead for me and most of the players.
Again, NOT NTR - if potential LI have a husband or boyfriend, NTR - if the game shows sex scenes with LI and her husband or boyfriend or with any other male character other than MC.
Having ntr in the game is like having a virus, maybe there is a very small vocal minority who will like it, but mostly people who see this tag will immediately add the game to the ignore list without even trying it, and if you add this tag just for a reason - LI is cheating on her boyfriend with MC, it will be a terrible mistake, and it will cost you a lot, but if there are LI cheating on MC in the game, or scenes of potential LI with other male characters, then yes, you should add this tag.

Thanks for the clarification!

Really helps us to understand what it all means and where to include/not include the tags.

Lady Ape
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[Surmikas]

Big talk here really , kink shaming and saying most of players is big words if you don't like it just leave don't try to force your ideas on the dev and there are tons of good game without ntr that didn't have any kind of support , and trying to scare the dev oh most people will ignore it or these kind of empty threat is false , there are good games that have avoidable ntr and are huge success like babysitters or vouge of just so stop with this BS

Did you miss reading this part? "In regards to NTR/CUCK, we are not going to make MC a cuck. We do not plan for him to make anyone else a cuck."
The dev said that the NTR is because one of the LIs is married, meaning that it will be cheating on the part of the MC and he clearly said that the MC is not going to be a cuck.
According to the dev, there is no NTR, there is cheating by the MC.

This user bruh made an example of me lol , literally the dev answerd all questions there is no harem ending and there can be some elements of ntr either Netori you ducking others or engaging in group sex it's all based on choices and everything will be avoidable, and the main story and plot lines won't change based on patreon

Elements that the MC establishes a relationship with the married LI, not about NTR but cheating with the MC, that is the thing the dev explained about.
Group sex is with LIs, not sharing. "we plan for the LIs to be exclusive to the MC"