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Frosthugger

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This is a serious suggestion, not an attack on Zion. Maybe he should just outsource all aspects of the game to subcontractors and only act as the manager and outline the direction of the game? He already does that for many aspects of the game. Then the burnout will not be an issue and the money he gets should easily be enough for that.
 
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BigLundi

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I said some not everyone but you all let it fly.



Cant say much about Eden Crest since i barely played but from just lurking the f95zone thread it doesnt seem like anything was changed. Mind you that fixing bugs, spelling mistakes are not the point.
Nah brother. It was a lot. I had pages worth of criticisms for the pacing of the game, the fact that the robots would start at level 1 regardless of where we got them, whole bunch of stuff. Yeah, bugs were included, but they were the least of my criticisms of the game. He changed a lot about the game before its official release in large part due to my criticisms of it to make it a lot easier to play, and a lot less of a grind. I just can't take the notion seriously that Zion retreats from criticism when I'm literally been a person to criticize him.



"Uh i dont like this scene can you make something different" isnt criticsm. The porn itself is like the least of its issues. This game is still riddled with atrocious pacing, forced lore dumping, bad gameplay, awful combat even among h-games. Nothing has changed aside from crafting mechanics which funnily enough adds just more bloat to the pacing.
I saw people getting banned, myself banned a while back (i was very polite mind you), for critizing it. I guess he doesnt ban people for mild stuff like suggesting new porn scenes. Good for you i guess.
Look, I don't know about your particular story and it sucks if you were banned for polite criticism. I just know it's not my experience. I can agree that the game could use a method of getting stronger that doesn't rely on beating the various succubi and equipping new runes to increase your stats. There should be a levelling mechanic, there should be more variety in enemies aside from just 'different colored plant demon' or at least a way to grind out the stat boosting foods instead of being limited to a hard cap. I've even been in DM's with Zion letting him know that some of his bloat is too much, and that he's ending up with a product that takes too long to make for not enough return, and never been banned. So I just don't know what you're talking about.
 

Masked Fellow

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After SC1, I'll go back to Warlock Saga.
Christ on a bicycle, Zion have you learned NOTHING from the discourse going on in your own game thread for the past couple of years? people don't care about the sidegames, your crown jewel and your claim to fame has been and continues to be Succubus Covenant, hell the fact that its thread remained alive when it got no updates for the longest time ever should be a testament to just how much people like it in comparison to warlock saga or eden crest.

Take my advice, outsource your sidegame development since you already do that much with the art, and FOCUS on succubus covenant for crying out loud.
 

Succubus Hunter

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May 19, 2020
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No one abandoned anything LMAO.

Anyone following me on the main pages know that I'm constantly updating them on the development.
I already asked for a status rectification to avoid confusing people.

For the fans, I'm really thankful for your patience.
I developed EC too fast and it caused me to burn out. And when I returned to SC, it was to finish chapter 5 which has a lot of teasers (including a lot of art) that will link to SC2 and Warlock Saga, so I needed to be extra careful with that too to connect the story right. Plus all the stress of having to relearn the game after such a long while without developing it.

A new chapter is very close and I appreciate all the support through the years. After SC1, I'll go back to Warlock Saga, which all art is already done, and the art for chapter 1 will be updated as well with the new artist, so basically, 2 chapters in 1 art-wise.

I hope you all the best. Take care guys.
It's good to see you posting here after so long. I have never developed a game myself but I understand that it can be hard between the art and the coding. Not to mention you are making a story based game that you want to stand on it's own even outside it's h content. I hope you have a happy Thanksgiving and that time with friends and family will help you through your burnout.
 

Xbob1

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To me this is just another classic case of a developer biting off more than they can chew. Warlock Saga is kinda meh and I don't really understand its desperate need for existence since Succubus Covenant is not finished and Eden Crest was uhhh...something that happened I guess..

I always assumed that if we were going to get multiple games, it would be a generation/era type of thing with the Succubus Covenant intro showing advanced humanity that it can basically tap into the past lives of people. So I thought we were going to get like games during like medieval, steampunk and modern era etc and not multiple side games in the same bronze age one.

I just don't understand why developers are so obsessed with making so many different games in as little time possible, ending up with unfinished or unsatisfying products and overall turning a fanbase on its creator for not properly working on the main product, we see this happen again and again on this forum.

I told myself that "I will wait for chapter 5 to review the game."
Man what a wait it has been..
By no means do I think Zion is a bad guy, but christ this developer trend is getting real old real fast.
 
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Lex3rd2

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Jun 13, 2017
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No one abandoned anything LMAO.

Anyone following me on the main pages know that I'm constantly updating them on the development.
I already asked for a status rectification to avoid confusing people.

For the fans, I'm really thankful for your patience.
I developed EC too fast and it caused me to burn out. And when I returned to SC, it was to finish chapter 5 which has a lot of teasers (including a lot of art) that will link to SC2 and Warlock Saga, so I needed to be extra careful with that too to connect the story right. Plus all the stress of having to relearn the game after such a long while without developing it.

A new chapter is very close and I appreciate all the support through the years. After SC1, I'll go back to Warlock Saga, which all art is already done, and the art for chapter 1 will be updated as well with the new artist, so basically, 2 chapters in 1 art-wise.

I hope you all the best. Take care guys.
Honestly, after all the wait and the broken dates? Barely anyone will give you a benefit of the doubt - only very fanatical of fans will.
Along with all the crap that I read about the ordeal in the discord in the others comments, taking you seriously is a joke. I'm sure as hell I was not on day one back when the SC1 was first released, but I still was quite an old fan and I WANTED to believe. Sadly, no hope for you. If you want somehow rectify yourself in the eyes of others - try let people know that you are going on a long-term vacation for one reason or another...And stop being a dick and keep your fanatics on a leash (I talking about the BigLundi comment here)

P.S. I'm not gonna lie if I say that comment comes off as harsh, but being frustrated with the Dev and seeing a lot of projects on this site getting abandoned can really do that to man.
 

colascage

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Honestly, after all the wait and the broken dates? Barely anyone will give you a benefit of the doubt - only very fanatical of fans will.
Along with all the crap that I read about the ordeal in the discord in the others comments, taking you seriously is a joke. I'm sure as hell I was not on day one back when the SC1 was first released, but I still was quite an old fan and I WANTED to believe. Sadly, no hope for you. If you want somehow rectify yourself in the eyes of others - try let people know that you are going on a long-term vacation for one reason or another...And stop being a dick and keep your fanatics on a leash (I talking about the BigLundi comment here)

P.S. I'm not gonna lie if I say that comment comes off as harsh, but being frustrated with the Dev and seeing a lot of projects on this site getting abandoned can really do that to man.
For clarity, Zion himself didnt insult but rather complained about the critics here. "Subhumans" was said by some of his discord members.
 

BigLundi

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Oct 18, 2018
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And stop being a dick and keep your fanatics on a leash (I talking about the BigLundi comment here)

Hold up. Why are you calling me out? Have I said anything even remotely rude? Also, Zion doesn't have any control over me, He's just the dev of a game I like, chill XD
 

BigLundi

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Oct 18, 2018
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Your post history is defending zion like he pays you. No one cares you were the one lucky guy zion didn't instant ban or block for questioning certain things.
I literally only posted about it once what do you mean? XD

Ok so...lemme get this straight. Someone comes here to complain about recieving certain treatment, and makes accusations about a dev's character based on that. That's fine.

Someone comes on to point out that they've done the same thing, and hasn't recieved such treatment, and such accusations don't seem to hold merit...that person is a paid shill and should shut up because nobody cares the first guy's still totally right?

Is that the situation?
 

LazerShark

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Mar 5, 2020
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No one abandoned anything LMAO.

Anyone following me on the main pages know that I'm constantly updating them on the development.
I already asked for a status rectification to avoid confusing people.

For the fans, I'm really thankful for your patience.
I developed EC too fast and it caused me to burn out. And when I returned to SC, it was to finish chapter 5 which has a lot of teasers (including a lot of art) that will link to SC2 and Warlock Saga, so I needed to be extra careful with that too to connect the story right. Plus all the stress of having to relearn the game after such a long while without developing it.

A new chapter is very close and I appreciate all the support through the years. After SC1, I'll go back to Warlock Saga, which all art is already done, and the art for chapter 1 will be updated as well with the new artist, so basically, 2 chapters in 1 art-wise.

I hope you all the best. Take care guys.
Haha, the legend himself comes out of the woodwork.
ROFLMAO
Hahaha, I'll be honest seeing Zion this pissed off is a better Christmas gift than chapter 5 would have ever been.
Come on, come on boy, go on and tell us how you are so hard at work developing the next chapter. Hahaha
 

F69Devil

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Nov 7, 2020
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I can't believe that even after 4 years there are still people simps defending and supporting this guy. When I supported my first kickstarter and got my tabletop game after 2 years of excuses I said no more to crowdfunding garbage and this thing has 4 years and looks terrible, artist downgrade and the worst gameplay i ever seen. Unfortunately, the reality is that there's a sucker born every day so this creator will keep selling hopes and dreams and the simps will fall for it. Once their wallet starts hurting they immediately start acting, that's just the way these people operate.


This game is abandoned, big props to whoever was based enough totag it
 

Kyunbix

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Mar 24, 2018
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I can't believe that even after 4 years there are still people simps defending and supporting this guy. When I supported my first kickstarter and got my tabletop game after 2 years of excuses I said no more to crowdfunding garbage and this thing has 4 years and looks terrible, artist downgrade and the worst gameplay i ever seen. Unfortunately, the reality is that there's a sucker born every day so this creator will keep selling hopes and dreams and the simps will fall for it. Once their wallet starts hurting they immediately start acting, that's just the way these people operate.


This game is abandoned, big props to whoever was based enough totag it
At first when I discovered SC I was thinking about supporting Zion but the development was way too slow, and I was like "Nah, not gonna support him unless he speeds it up". The development only got slower since then lol

Also the art downgrade made me not want to even see the scenes with succubus, I was only focused on fighting, and because losing is hard in this game once you have decent gear I never saw 60% of scenes. I just played it like a normal RPG, and it's not a good RPG comparing it to RPGmaker standards even.
 

Porn_Jesus

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Christ on a bicycle, Zion have you learned NOTHING from the discourse going on in your own game thread for the past couple of years? people don't care about the sidegames, your crown jewel and your claim to fame has been and continues to be Succubus Covenant, hell the fact that its thread remained alive when it got no updates for the longest time ever should be a testament to just how much people like it in comparison to warlock saga or eden crest.

Take my advice, outsource your sidegame development since you already do that much with the art, and FOCUS on succubus covenant for crying out loud.
Could it be that the man doesn't care what people want the most and has several projects going for the sake of avoiding getting tired from the same stuff?
 

Masked Fellow

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Could it be that the man doesn't care what people want the most and has several projects going for the sake of avoiding getting tired from the same stuff?
Then he'll do just that, if it was only ever about doing side projects for fun then his work ethic and progress wouldn't be so abysmal, hell even if it is what you say, then he should give SC some proper love to garner some much needed good will and get more people onboard and then he can turn his attention back to his side games.
 
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Porn_Jesus

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Then he'll do just that, if it was only ever about doing side projects for fun then his work ethic and progress wouldn't be so abysmal, hell even if it is what you say, then he should give SC some proper love to garner some much needed good will and get more people onboard and then he can turn his attention back to his side games.
Get more people on board? Have you missed how many people just disappear whenever they feel like doing that? It's a nightmare if you have multiple people around and they can run away or become special overnight. Quite the joy to manage a project if that happens more and more often.

No wonder most game devs want to stay solo and rather see their project die than breaking from playing nanny with wannabe adults who lack work ethic and some proper respect to the guy who invited them to be part of the journey.
 
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Doesnt matter only 1 project or multiple. Zion still lack work ethic.
And everything downgrade as time goes on.

Zion really get burn out from this kind of work? Hope labor workers are doing fine. zion didnt get burnout and do fine when switching back from warlock saga to SC ch2 or 3. hmmmm

That is a good idea with too much free time for artist he can do animations. But yeah I dont think so. Zion ideas is all about reducing works and prolong pateron.

Just saw the new succubus serires arts the succubus face look like jasmine disney princess it is downgrade for me
 

Masked Fellow

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No wonder most game devs want to stay solo and rather see their project die than breaking from playing nanny with wannabe adults who lack work ethic and some proper respect to the guy who invited them to be part of the journey.
mincing the quote for clarity sake. you misunderstood me, I meant more fans, patreons, supporters, ect.
like I said, how he chooses to steer the boat is ultimately up to the man himself but it's just not looking very promising, and good paid work should not be that hard to find if he was to ask for more devs, I bet there's plenty of people with RPGMaker know-how who're dying to put it to use and make money out of it.

Dev drama usually rears its ugly head with dis-organized teams with poor leadership and communication, you may have some anecdotes under your belt to justify your skepticism with expanding, that does not mean it being a detriment is the norm.
 

Porn_Jesus

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mincing the quote for clarity sake. you misunderstood me, I meant more fans, patreons, supporters, ect.
like I said, how he chooses to steer the boat is ultimately up to the man himself but it's just not looking very promising, and good paid work should not be that hard to find if he was to ask for more devs, I bet there's plenty of people with RPGMaker know-how who're dying to put it to use and make money out of it.

Dev drama usually rears its ugly head with dis-organized teams with poor leadership and communication, you may have some anecdotes under your belt to justify your skepticism with expanding, that does not mean it being a detriment is the norm.
Shouldn't you share that with the man himself? Since you know so much it surely would chance everything. Instead you share it with people who are not involved with the game in any relevant way.

Or did you mess up and got a perm ban from his Discord? That would be a possible reason why you are still here instead of confronting the man directly.
 
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