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Well that's funny. That was the entire reason Zion gave for Kain no longer making art for SC and Eden Crest being his last commissioned job from Zion.
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I don't think that he "focused" on the story while sacrificing the gameplay. It doesnt actually take years to write a story --- it does if there's gameplay and visual effects associated to it.I been with this game since the very first chapter so let me have insert a penny of mine here.
Thing is - absolutely all of the criticism in his address along with some amount of accusations are more or less earned.
The plans may have derailed since the 2nd chapter (when it started to become clear that all the planned things are NO LONGER POSSIBLE), but it doesn't mean that Zion is clear of all the faults that brought the Quality Cliff Drop in the first place. He, at least, should have warned everyone that some promises that he made might have been not possible and drop some of these ideas so it would not seem like a scam. The whole fact that he blocked the guy might mean that the situation with criticism might be deteriorating - Discord seems like nothing short of an echo chamber filled with The Yes Men (I barely seen any critical word in there - suggestions channel not considered).
Can you truly blame everyone who might feel betrayed in the first place? I also feel kind of betrayed and understand that feeling, so every critical word that Zion hears might be taken in consideration (if it is of course not filled with only swearings that doesn't help make the game somehow better). Although I have very little believe in Zion not ignoring criticism.
It's feels like Zion is more concerned about the story rather than gameplay, which to a PORN GAME might be a secondary. Sacrificing gameplay and game mechanics for the sake of story doesn't exactly make a good combination, and it doesn't seem to work as smoothly here.
Of course my opinion. Consider whatever you take it in consideration or not up to you. Let's hope that Zion doesn't make a DreamWorld out of this game (when it will be finished hell knows when).
Criticism is not a crime
Also, when his artist was injured, he could have worked on the gameplay. from 9am to 5pm it takes roughly one day (and im kind) for a map like his, with the experience he gained, with the assets of rpg maker and ofc, what did he make out of this ? He recycled his maps several times with the same monster plants
If we were to compare the first maps he made for the game, then yes. I would be fine with him spending 1-2-3 weeks just for the snow castle-ish map. But the quality isnt the same and doesnt justify such delay. Side projects like warlocks? They are great. But imagine, he's only at it's first chapter and there will be probably far more side project to make in the next game for the selene states
And he doesn't have any blender/unity/model to make.. In comparison, under the which is also far from being finished but we can see a real progress and a real motivation in the updates. I wonder if zion is actually happy about his release.
I'm also asking myself if it will take 4 - 6 others months to make the Chapter 5 v2 for us to get a gallery and a base update シ
Let's face it. Zion has talent, but got lazy.
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Kain realized zion is a scammer in disguise before zion even shows his truth scammer instincts like today.
Zion is lying us all along.
As much as I loved this game the first time I played, like 2-3 years ago, it was even the that introduced me to porn games... I also know that pretty much half of it is just random cutaways to some other random people on the other side of the planet or in another dimension or in the succubus base or wherever. Its just a pain in the ass, a waste of time. Horrible, in other words. I didn't enjoy it, I hated it, and wanted to be done with the waste of time as soon as I could so I could actually get back to the actual game, instead if playing 'exposition simulator.exe'.
And now people are saying that this isn't even the entirety of chapter 5 released yet??? I don't know if I would have replayed all that pain in the ass lore and backstory I don't care about just to get to the last chapter and be done with if it was the actual, whole chapter, because I am playing this game to look at boobs, not to get lore dumped.
But its just the first half of chapter 5? No way man, I'm not even gonna bother downloading this, I know it'll be a complete waste of time that I can't afford and that I don't want. It will be horrible, not because it will be sad or anything, but cause I will be bored out of my fucking mind for most of it.
And now people are saying that this isn't even the entirety of chapter 5 released yet??? I don't know if I would have replayed all that pain in the ass lore and backstory I don't care about just to get to the last chapter and be done with if it was the actual, whole chapter, because I am playing this game to look at boobs, not to get lore dumped.
But its just the first half of chapter 5? No way man, I'm not even gonna bother downloading this, I know it'll be a complete waste of time that I can't afford and that I don't want. It will be horrible, not because it will be sad or anything, but cause I will be bored out of my fucking mind for most of it.
Its not the first half of chapter 5. there will be no new content, the story has concluded. What he can add is update the gallery room. thats it. I highly highly doubt he is gonna introduce sex scenes with the 4 companions. Remember they were drawn by zion, no proofs that the new artists are gonna draw them again.
I don't think its bugged, its just a fuck you game mechanic. You're just stuck in an infinite stun loop if you don't take anti paralizers the first turn
So we waited years for this?
Yeah I liked the first 2 chapters, later on the game was downgrade only... I understand the artist change, but I feel it even somehow got downgraded in lore and story too. Gameplay was always bad, maps gone from fine to bad but meh it doesn't matter in the h-games much.
Welp thank you for this game Zion, never playing any of your games again ❤
Go for the Visual novel next time like some of the people here suggested ^^
Yeah I liked the first 2 chapters, later on the game was downgrade only... I understand the artist change, but I feel it even somehow got downgraded in lore and story too. Gameplay was always bad, maps gone from fine to bad but meh it doesn't matter in the h-games much.
Welp thank you for this game Zion, never playing any of your games again ❤
Go for the Visual novel next time like some of the people here suggested ^^
maybe we should make a list of things we don't like in the game so Zion can know how to improve in the next games
we should also remember that Zion is ONE GUY trying to deliver chapters every 3-4 months, and we don't know what is going on in his personal life. being brazillian myself i know how hard it can be to make ends meet in this shit hole of a country, especially in the current governmant
we should also remember that Zion is ONE GUY trying to deliver chapters every 3-4 months, and we don't know what is going on in his personal life. being brazillian myself i know how hard it can be to make ends meet in this shit hole of a country, especially in the current governmant
No, just knowing how easy is a rpg maker will make u know zion is a scammer.
RPG maker is an editor and so ez to use <<This is the Basic truth that every brain dead simps ignore and say "i love zion dk so much "
4 years for the most low effort shity i never seen before
i can't believe i'm gonna have to say this, but making a game involves more then just using a game engine. that's like saying writing a book is easy because typing/wtriting is easy
you also didn't adress my other points
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I remember a lot of random books with a barrage of information instead of an actual design that allowed you to interact with the story more dinamically though. Also, Zion is making 21grand in brazilian currency, which is around 20x the minimum wage. Unless he has a gambling addiction he can live pretty comfortably with that amount
Be real, how many days would it take to build ALL the game areas including the literred plant enemies in chapter 5.
Dialog ? How much dialog is there compared to Chapter 1,2,3 ? One of the succubus, all she says is ... lol.
This chapter 5 didnt introduce any new music, assets, or mechanics. Its just move from point 1 to point 2, destroy enemy, battle done.
Even if making such a game is incredibly hard work, you do not take into account the experience a dev earns working on previous chapters. By all accounts, chapter 5 should have been delivered faster than the others.!
15grand after income tax, plus other possible taxes such as IPTU (real estate tax) and IPVA (vehicle tax) and he could be only earning half of that (on top of Patreon fees). we also don't know where Zion lives and what his cost of living is, so its not honest to just look at what he earns and say he is a-okay
this is also his first project, or at least major project, so he's still learning the ropes, again he is one guy trying to make a story that is the begining of a saga that will span various games, this is only generation one after all