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LSC82

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His age and attitude have nothing to do with it. Ignoring the fact that he is an adult, not some snot nosed tween, the stuff they have him doing isn't his job. He went to camp to improve his craft and get credits, not help them run it. Every time he is pulled away is less time with the girls, not to mention 90% of it just stagnates whatever plot may be here because we still know almost nothing about the overarching theme after all this time. Largely in part do to said scenes.
I sure hope future updates allow him to grow a spine and stand up to Miller, getting in trouble through no choice of mine is not a great feeling.

And Miller taking him into town also makes no sense so far... Why? I don't see what's his benefit in leaving a guy that is not suppoused to be there unsupervised in the club.
Miller trying to "help" with the girls at the camp was weird enough, taking this kid into town and into a gentlemans club...

Is he a member of the family? MCs uncle or something?
 
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Skeltom

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I sure hope future updates allow him to grow a spine and stand up to Miller, getting in trouble through no choice of mine is not a great feeling.

And Miller taking him into town also makes no sense so far... Why? I don't see what's his benefit leaving a guy that is not suppoused to be there unsupervised in the club.
Miller trying to "help" with the girls at the camp was weird enough, taking this kid into town and into a gentlemans club...

Is he a member of the family? MCs uncle or something?
I think Miller lost a son at some point and maybe the MC reminds him of them. He could be trying to bond with him like he couldn't do with his kid but if that's the case I think the devs have been going about it all wrong. Maybe in a car accident. Could be why he won't let anyone sit in the front seat. Just a theory though based on what I've seen.
 

LSC82

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I think Miller lost a son at some point and maybe the MC reminds him of them. He could be trying to bond with him like he couldn't do with his kid but if that's the case I think the devs have been going about it all wrong. Maybe in a car accident. Could be why he won't let anyone sit in the front seat. Just a theory though based on what I've seen.
Could be, it makes some sense...
Mine came because the MCs deadbeat dad keeps being brought up so i'm starting to suspect something will come out of it.

Could be just an old friend(or enemy) of the dad instead of an uncle.
 
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Meabe37

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Could be why he won't let anyone sit in the front seat
My theory on that is that the front sit was for Caitlynn other sister (don't remember her name/ edit: Claire) Something seems to have happen to her (dead or missing?) and i think she was Miller wife, probably the reason why he quit being a cop too.

Edit: the biggest hints to that are the heart carving on the monkey bars S+C definitively stand Claire + Shawn. And at some point Cass and Cait talk about him and said he wasn't a good husband or something like that.
 
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Pr0GamerJohnny

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Like most if not all AVNs honestly. Nothing new here.


Well they are his teachers/caretakers for the summer, they are also way older than him. MC is a normal (young) dude not a rebel delinquent so it seems fairly normal for him to listen to them.
I think the issue is the inclusion of the ms Miller relationship/scenes puts her more on a peer level.
So I'm not saying you're wrong, but for him to be a position under their authority and for it to actually feel like that, there shouldn't be possible relationships between them.
 

Meabe37

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I think the issue is the inclusion of the ms Miller relationship/scenes puts her more on a peer level.
So I'm not saying you're wrong, but for him to be a position under their authority and for it to actually feel like that, there shouldn't be possible relationships between them.
That exactly why she freaking out. But at the same time, relationship with power unbalanced are not impossible and probably not uncommon. Especially in relationship between people who are more than 20 years apart. Keep in mind that i'm not saying it's how it is gonna play out (it dosn't seems like it to me)and i personally hope not, just that it could be. But it's seems normal before they get close to each other that she is in a position of authority at the beginning given their situation.
 
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Sweet Force

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Glad I wasn't the only one who snoozed at those segments I felt were pure fluff. Yeah there were some sex scenes but I don't care because it's not with the main cast.

I don't want more side quests, I want more of Mia eve Sophie bree at camp.
It's nice to know that someone thinks the same as you, the first scene with Maria at night seemed better to me than everything MC did in the club because she is one of the protagonists. I don't like side quests, at least not until the main story develops.

Pics or it didn't happen..! (jk ;)) But obviously also: Becca, pretty crucial if you ask me :drool: ;)
I better broadcast the moment on some streaming platform like that crazy guy who recently didn't sleep for 11 days to break a stupid record. jk


the issue is simply the setup of the game. we're at an art camp for a limited time (only two weeks or so) with these girls. this alone means that you have to make almost every day count, filling it with different scenarios and interactions, since you don't have that much to work with. you obviously can't just skip ahead a bit where it can be assumed you've gotten closer to the girls, you have to show every moment. so right away, you're presented with the problem of having to strike a balance between not making these girls jump on your dick from day 1, but also developing the relationships fast enough to where you end up having sex with them within two weeks. this is further compounded by the fact that the actual update cycle is in total conflict with this whole balancing act. it took five updates for one day to pass. this is a porn game first and foremost, and so obviously priority #1 is to have sex scenes in the game, but how do you do that when a full day hasn't even passed yet? you have only two options: make a bunch of random side girls for the mc to fuck and take the time to properly develop relationships with the main girls (as much as you can while keeping in mind the issues pointed out, anyway), or you accelerate the relationships with the girls and have them jerking you off and whatnot after two days. both of these options feel pretty bad for both the devs and the players. so they're kind of stuck in a catch 22, and simply have to try their best to make it feel like things aren't progressing too quickly with the girls even if they sort of already have. i didn't really feel any "cold shoulders" in this update, not even from eve who was probably just acting like that because she wasn't truly alone with you, but i did notice a vibe shift. so oh well. that being said, i don't feel sympathy for the devs, because, well, ten months for this update lol.
I agree with you on several things Sukuna.
The rules prohibit naming other VNs, but the Devs could have put a warning at the beginning of the game (preferably with an angry Kate in a swimsuit) "this game moves slowly because it prioritizes the development of relationships and sees it as illogical for MC to have sexual interactions with the protagonists so quickly", with that said, you dedicate 100% of the development to the 6 protagonists (I don't forget Mike) and you use the dating app that many people like a lot to show tits and pussies since version 0.1, by dedicating all the time to the protagonists making time advance faster, after 2 years of the game we would surely be days ahead and perhaps on a date with Sophie, (we should only change the reason why Kate wants to throw you out, let's assume that she suspects that MC is a Wendigo and that's why she wants to get rid of him in 3 days), also as the first week passes, the MC receives messages on the dating app to meet side girls in person, with the stories of the protagonists already better developed, you take the MC out of the camp and take him to a bar to meet Becca, and that's it, everyone is happy.
 
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El Mapa

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My review so far (0.6)

Character Development: The main character really stands out with his natural dialogue and solid personality. He handles situations well and avoids coming off as unrealistic or sleazy, which is a big plus VN games

Notable Relationships: The relationships between MC + Mia and MC + Mike are some of the best parts. Their backstory unfolds nicely over time, and Mike’s decision to dodge conversations about his sister’s situation adds a cool layer of awkwardness. It’s clear he’d rather steer clear of the topic, though he’s more open about similar stuff with other women.

Plot and Pacing: The story is fun, but the pacing can be a bit off. Things often happen in just a few hours, even though players experience a longer span of time. Slowing things down a bit (or making time go faster in-game) could make the story feel more immersive.

Character Designs: The character designs are fantastic, with each one looking unique and interesting. However, the relationship between Bree and Sophie starts strong but gets a bit annoying later on, especially with Sophie becoming overly controlling.

Strip club Scene Critique: The second club scene feels a bit forced, with the protagonist suddenly getting a lot of attention out of nowhere. It’s a hot scene, but it could’ve used a bit more effort to make it feel more believable.


Overall a 9.6/10 game for me, able to scratch that itch of lack of good games lately and going straight up to my top list
 

Skeltom

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Finally I found time to play the update and it's a big disappointment

Without animations it's like 2-3 months of work for team of 2 people and not full time

I'm curious about next update, hope it will be better
Yeah, the animations did more harm that anything. Assuming it's one render per frame at 60 fps that's a lot of extra renders. If even a third of them were used for the plot and character progression we may have actually been getting somewhere.

900 Bree (Lying in bed, Kissing)

480 Sophie (Standing on the stairs)

3960 Mia (Kissing, *Another* lewd scene)

01:30, 5340 (Total)
 

minimeatball

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I agree with you on several things Sukuna.
The rules prohibit naming other VNs, but the Devs could have put a warning at the beginning of the game (preferably with an angry Kate in a swimsuit) "this game moves slowly because it prioritizes the development of relationships and sees it as illogical for MC to have sexual interactions with the protagonists so quickly", with that said, you dedicate 100% of the development to the 6 protagonists (I don't forget Mike) and you use the dating app that many people like a lot to show tits and pussies since version 0.1, by dedicating all the time to the protagonists making time advance faster, after 2 years of the game we would surely be days ahead and perhaps on a date with Sophie, (we should only change the reason why Kate wants to throw you out, let's assume that she suspects that MC is a Wendigo and that's why she wants to get rid of him in 3 days), also as the first week passes, the MC receives messages on the dating app to meet side girls in person, with the stories of the protagonists already better developed, you take the MC out of the camp and take him to a bar to meet Becca, and that's it, everyone is happy.
i echoed the same sentiments in my post when 0.5 came out. the devs have sort of backed themselves into a corner though. i don't see these issues boding well for the future of the game. personally, i think the devs introduced this three day time limit as an out in case they wanted to end the game early. i don't see why else it would be done. if it's a serious plot device to create tension and enable development with ms hill, it's rather poor. the trajectory was fine to begin with. this time limit only complicates things with the story and progression of the girls. so my gut feeling is that it'll mostly be ignored by the mc and the characters, and when it's close to the deadline, the devs can gauge whether they branch off to a more mafia-focused plot (or i guess whatever horror they have planned), quietly resolve it and let the mc stay the full time, or end the game. with the rather quick pace things have been progressing, and just how long it takes to get through one day, i think we'll almost assuredly have sex with all the main girls in three days anyway.
pretty decent update. lots of good development with most of the girls, i especially liked the random tension/resentment that got introduced between bree and sophie. that should be fun to explore later on. good scenes with the main girls, some nice intimate moments. eve and mia definitely proved themselves this update as well. so it was all good

but i'm gonna echo the main disappointment. this update took almost one full year to release. that is ridiculous and i wish it wasn't a sustainable method. 11 months for THIS? dude, i don't think so. and what's more is that the devs are doing something i absolutely hate which is wasting an inordinate amount of time on side girls so that the horny dudes get a scene or two to satiate themselves. trust me, i also hate when devs don't think of these games as needing sex, but if they want things to be slower and have build up, then they need to stick to their guns and just push through the early content. it just cheapens the game (imo) when there's a random side girl every update that you can fuck so you can say there's a couple sex scenes in the update (though, if cassandra and ms. hill ever get action together, all is forgiven). otherwise, look what happens. the whole strip club stuff is obviously a tie-in to that little plot twist at the end, so we can say it was a necessary inclusion. but there was so much unnecessary filler. everything with jenni, the lapdance, and the cop + jenni is just such a giant waste of time. we can call it worldbuilding and that's fine, it's nice to have some time away from the house and main LIs, and the bartender livia is hot and all, but is it really worth spending so much time and effort on all of that extraneous stuff when more time can be spent developing relationships with the main girls, or the main story? like, i don't know, moving to the next day?? we're still on the first day by the way. just think about how much time they must've spent with the strip club: writing all of the scripts, creating new side characters, rendering every image, and coding all of it. it's just a waste. if you really want to have side content then just leave the ember stuff and that's fine! ember is a good inclusion, it's just distilled side content and a fun time waster during free roam. leave the meat and potatoes to the main LIs. anyway, rant over. i just hope the devs figure out a better schedule. they do great work but someone needs to be their project manager or something so updates can have a more agreeable timeframe lol

also bree and sophie throuple or riot
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Skeltom

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i echoed the same sentiments in my post when 0.5 came out. the devs have sort of backed themselves into a corner though. i don't see these issues boding well for the future of the game. personally, i think the devs introduced this three day time limit as an out in case they wanted to end the game early. i don't see why else it would be done. if it's a serious plot device to create tension and enable development with ms hill, it's rather poor. the trajectory was fine to begin with. this time limit only complicates things with the story and progression of the girls. so my gut feeling is that it'll mostly be ignored by the mc and the characters, and when it's close to the deadline, the devs can gauge whether they branch off to a more mafia-focused plot (or i guess whatever horror they have planned), quietly resolve it and let the mc stay the full time, or end the game. with the rather quick pace things have been progressing, and just how long it takes to get through one day, i think we'll almost assuredly have sex with all the main girls in three days anyway.
None of that sounds good. For the player or the devs. What tension would they try introducing in such a short time frame anyway? It's already 0.6 and assuming a 1.0 is the end goal that's only 4 version numbers away and there has been no significant progression on any front with maybe the exception of Mia but even that was just thrown in out of nowhere. If they do plan on wrapping it up in thee days then I don't see the progression or conclusion being anything but a huge let down. They are shooting themselves in the foot if that's their plan. Not to mention the tone of the game would have to make a 180 to facilitate that. Last I checked you were supposed to build up to the crescendo not start in the middle.
 

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Plot and Pacing: The story is fun, but the pacing can be a bit off. Things often happen in just a few hours, even though players experience a longer span of time. Slowing things down a bit (or making time go faster in-game) could make the story feel more immersive.

Strip club Scene Critique: The second club scene feels a bit forced, with the protagonist suddenly getting a lot of attention out of nowhere. It’s a hot scene, but it could’ve used a bit more effort to make it feel more believable.
Pacing a bit off? The only way the MC can do all the things he does in the first day, is that he lives in an alternative world where hours are 120 minutes long and days last 57 hours or so.

Scene of the strip club a bit forced? It doesn´t make any sense at all. First, I don't know why Miller wants MC in the strip club. If I were going to go to a strip club to make some shady business, the last thing I would do is drag with me an underaged guy. I don't know why Jenny and the female cop behave with the MC the way they do, and why the MC goes along with them, since it's clear they are getting him into trouble. And the MC gets wasted, but magically he sobers up and fools around with half of the girls of the house, one after another, that for some reason are awake in the middle of the night and awaiting their turn with MC?

Pacing is terrible and all the things that happen during the first night are extremely forced.
 
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BlackwingYu

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If I'm being honest, it wasn't 0.6 being NSC that bothered me, it's just that we're left with more questions and still no answers from 0.5. The only actual story content just adds another loose thread, and Miller isn't even present after all the mystery and setup in 0.5. Feels like the tension got built up for nothing.
 
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I want to ask you something. Is almost a year of waiting really such a big sacrifice? Or I go crazy
 

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None of that sounds good. For the player or the devs. What tension would they try introducing in such a short time frame anyway? It's already 0.6 and assuming a 1.0 is the end goal that's only 4 version numbers away and there has been no significant progression on any front with maybe the exception of Mia but even that was just thrown in out of nowhere. If they do plan on wrapping it up in thee days then I don't see the progression or conclusion being anything but a huge let down. They are shooting themselves in the foot if that's their plan. Not to mention the tone of the game would have to make a 180 to facilitate that. Last I checked you were supposed to build up to the crescendo not start in the middle.
1.0 is definitely not the main goal. version numbering in wegs is pretty arbitrary nowadays. once they reach 0.9, they'll go to 0.10 instead of 1.0. however, because of the huge disconnect between number of updates and actual progress through the story i think the path they're on, without change, will only lead to a huge let down. unless they want to work on this game for the next 20 years.
 
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