VN Ren'Py Summer Heat [v0.6.1] [Naughty Fox Games]

[ChipLecsap]

Yes that's why i named my main character Elon Musk or something and not used my own name. Do i have to explain to you the concept of POV and how these games work? Maybe for you, you like the voyeur fetish and so you approach the game in that sense, but for me and i bet most other people the point is that we INSERT ourselves as the main character.

I play these games from a point of view where i am the the protagonist, i do no play them as if I am in control of this stranger where my goal is to help him fuck girls as i watch from the sides, again maybe for you that's how you wanna play them, but it's not for me.

I'm not here to judge, but it's actually exactly like that. You play a game, make choice that lead to the best outcome, and role back if you messed up, and then watch as the girl suck a dick that is not yours. .

but you know patreon will decide what they want, to me its actually not tha big deal.
however the creators themself are aware of the limitation of only pov angle.

"While editing this week, we were wondering how the players feel about the POV perspective we generally stick to in Summer Heat. We've been more liberal with angles and showing the main character in CH05 because some scenes are very limited by POV."

that's why they asked in the first place, we will know the result next week hopefully

 

[NeroZee]

I'm not here to judge, but it's actually exactly like that. You play a game, make choice that lead to the best outcome, and role back if you messed up, and then watch as the girl suck a dick that is not yours. .

Maybe for you but not for me. The dick is not literally yours because the dick isn't real, none of this is real we all know that we dont need elementary level takes to explain it to us. The point is we INSERT ourselves in this imaginary world where we put our name as the MC and not some random dude and we imagine us in that role as we play the game. I have no interest to play as some dude named John Smith and watch him fuck girls, in that case they might as well remove choices and just create a Visual novel that just shows you every choice that leads to every sex scene, you dont even need to control anything.

but you know patreon will decide what they want, to me its actually not tha big deal.
however the creators themself are aware of the limitation of only pov angle.

And thats their right, the game does not have just POV angle, nor is anyone saying they JUST want POV angles. What i think most people dont want is to see the MCs face, again because most people insert themselves in the game and that tends to be immersion breaking, especially when the MC ends up looking like some scrawny dweeb or Arnold Schwarzenegger with a tan.

"While editing this week, we were wondering how the players feel about the POV perspective we generally stick to in Summer Heat. We've been more liberal with angles and showing the main character in CH05 because some scenes are very limited by POV."

that's why they asked in the first place, we will know the result next week hopefully

And i am fine with that.

 

[misfolk]

Please no POV kissing. It always looks like the woman has hay fever. Actually, most sex positions look weird or boring in POV.

 

[MagLev]

Regarding POV vs not POV, it's quite simple. Just pick the angles that are hotter Northpx . In some, POV will be ideal (blowjobs stand out). In others, it'd be nightmarish (kissing, for example, as others have mentioned).

And in most scenarios, a mix will be the way to go. Take a doggy scene, the POV view in those is always great, but similarly who doesn't like seeing the pleasure on the girl's face as she's being fucked face down ass up?

 

[SSJGOD]

Please no POV kissing. It always looks like the woman has hay fever. Actually, most sex positions look weird or boring in POV.

For certain scenes such as kissing, maybe they will cut off the top of Mc's head. They've produced some of the the most realistic looking and eye catching results so far in first person view & I kind of dig Mc as this mystery man all of whom girls crush on.

 

[NeroZee]

Regarding POV vs not POV, it's quite simple. Just pick the angles that are hotter Northpx . In some, POV will be ideal (blowjobs stand out). In others, it'd be nightmarish (kissing, for example, as others have mentioned).

And in most scenarios, a mix will be the way to go. Take a doggy scene, the POV view in those is always great, but similarly who doesn't like seeing the pleasure on the girl's face as she's being fucked face down ass up?

Pretty much this, so far they have done a stellar job of picking when to show a POV scene and when to show a non-POV scene, so i trust their judgement on it completely. And yea mixing it up seems to work best so far.

Also this, i do like to see more close ups of girls faces during climax or when they are feeling pleasure, that image of Bree running into the bathroom to take care of her little "problem' and her blushing expression is still stuck in my head.

 

[Juice86]

My opinion on POV:

I don't care about the MC in regards to POV

When you are playing these games you step into the role of being the MC whether it be fully or partially (depending on the imagination and RP level of the player). But we don't actually literally think we are the MC, that's delusion. So if the POV isn't consistent with his eyes, it doesn't really break immersion. There's tons of games where I am immersed but see both characters on the screen from a POV that is 3rd person. I never consider these games less immersive or good because of this. In-fact it rarely enters my mind.

The point of view should be to maximize the enjoyment of the scenes with the girls. For me it's that simple. Just stick to one style and I wouldn't fret over POV as long as it's somewhat consistent.

Everyone wants to see Bree get railed by MC. The POV doesn't matter as long as we see her assets very clearly =) Beyond that it's stylistic choices that are yours to make as the dev, that you think best convey your story and feel of the game.

 

[SSJGOD]

Regarding POV vs not POV, it's quite simple. Just pick the angles that are hotter Northpx . In some, POV will be ideal (blowjobs stand out). In others, it'd be nightmarish (kissing, for example, as others have mentioned).

And in most scenarios, a mix will be the way to go. Take a doggy scene, the POV view in those is always great, but similarly who doesn't like seeing the pleasure on the girl's face as she's being fucked face down ass up?

This, i'm okay with both or either option, whichever works best.

 

[NebulousShooter]

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Hello, everyone!
This week we carried on with the edits and render changes we decided on previously. Some dialogue was cut, a few renders removed, and a couple of re-renders added to the queue. There was also some crashing during rendering this week. The source behind these crashes remains to be discovered, but they luckily didn't affect anything except mental stability. Just one of those perks of working with 3D sometimes.

There was a surprising amount of fixes required for the new renders this week. That's something we'll look into in the future as the issues stemmed from the scenes themselves, but for the time being they're easily fixed in the post-processing stage.

Work on animations continued, as well as new renders. We spent some extra time focusing on a few scenes that will likely be the favorites of many in the upcoming update. There are still a couple more improvements we'd like to make on those scenes, but we'll see after we get some impressions from the beta version.

The updated script also meant that we had to rewrite some of the code. A couple of bugs also showed up on Ember after thorough playtesting, but we promptly escorted them out of the game. Ember is essentially done at this point, except for a few missing renders. They are low priority, however.

While editing this week, we were wondering how the players feel about the POV perspective we generally stick to in Summer Heat. We've been more liberal with angles and showing the main character in CH05 because some scenes are very limited by POV.

How do you feel about seeing more of the main character? Is strict POV important to you?

Other news

Earlier this week we posted the special render for August, featuring Eve. This special was a fun one to work on! They're all fun to create of course, since they're a little bit extra and different from our usual game renders. In case you missed out on Eve,

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Cheers,

Robison & Npx

As long as you are not making a VR game, 3rd person MC all the way, full POV MC should stay in 2017. Kissing and other lewd stuff are so uncanny in POV and the 'creative' ways to hide MC's face make me cringe.

POV for dialogue works, anything with characters interacting kissing, hugging, fucking looks horrible.

 

[NebulousShooter]

Do not show MC face, body is ok.

Why? Walk me through the logic, I guess it has something to do with self inserting and immersion. Do you have same built as the MC? Tattoos where applicable? Same skin tone? Do you have a footlong for a dick? How is only the face the deal breaker for self inserting when you look nothing like the MC of a certain game?

 

[SerHawkes]

Why? Walk me through the logic, I guess it has something to do with self inserting and immersion. Do you have same built as the MC? Tattoos where applicable? Same skin tone? Do you have a footlong for a dick? How is only the face the deal breaker for self inserting when you look nothing like the MC of a certain game?

Because some like having a face to put onto the MC. Like games of Projekt Passion, BaDiK, Eternum, etc. It's nice to have a frame of preverbal reference instead of either a First Person View or, in WVMs case-Black Box of a head.

 

[NebulousShooter]

Because some like having a face to put onto the MC. Like games of Projekt Passion, BaDiK, Eternum, etc. It's nice to have a frame of preverbal reference instead of either a First Person View or, in WVMs case-Black Box of a head.

But thats what I want, 3rd person for most of the game, POV for when it makes sense. What I asked is why people are ok with MC's body being shown, but not the face, because it makes no goddamn sense to me.


Magnumhawaii, use your words, I want to hear one logical explanation.

 

[Kassandara]

But thats what I want, 3rd person for most of the game, POV for when it makes sense. What I asked is why people are ok with MC's body being shown, but not the face, because it makes no goddamn sense to me.
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Magnumhawaii, use your words, I want to hear one logical explanation.

Bold of you to assume they have logical explanation, just look at their latest activity

 

[mahsta]

I guess it's settled and It's time to see what the main character looks like.

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That appearance is actually quite accurate.

 

[Kellermann]

I tend to get nervous when devs start asking the people for advice on how to proceed with things especially when it comes to artistic style. I always say, save the polling for basic items such as outfits, hairstyles, and the like.

Never a good sign for dev to ask direction on things like production release periods (as we previously saw with this very game), camera placement, kinks, new characters or design features, etc. That only starts more fan conflicts and gives the perception that the ship is rudderless. Have a clear vision and artistic style for the game and stick with it. Deviating from your charted course based upon the blowing winds of fan input is often precarious.

This game has a very good thing going. It is one of the best on F95. Don't get in the van now. There is no candy and puppies in there, only a not so fun game of hide the weasel. Just keep up the excellent work by following your own creative instincts, which have been great overall.

 

[mahsta]

I tend to get nervous when devs start asking the people for advice on how to proceed with things especially when it comes to artistic style. I always say, save the polling for basic items such as outfits, hairstyles, and the like.

Never a good sign for dev to ask direction on things like production release periods (as we previously saw with this very game), camera placement, kinks, new characters or design features, etc. That only starts more fan conflicts and gives the perception that the ship is rudderless. Have a clear vision and artistic style for the game and stick with it. Deviating from your charted course based upon the blowing winds of fan input is often precarious.

This game has a very good thing going. It is one of the best on F95. Don't get in the van now. There is no candy and puppies in there, only a not so fun game of hide the weasel. Just keep up the excellent work by following your own creative instincts, which have been great overall.

I agree with this guy completely. This game is terrific. Not only this game has great in depth story, but also the character renders are immaculate in every detail. Kellermann, its good to know that you like this game and support the game's development.

 

[NebulousShooter]

I tend to get nervous when devs start asking the people for advice on how to proceed with things especially when it comes to artistic style. I always say, save the polling for basic items such as outfits, hairstyles, and the like.

Never a good sign for dev to ask direction on things like production release periods (as we previously saw with this very game), camera placement, kinks, new characters or design features, etc. That only starts more fan conflicts and gives the perception that the ship is rudderless. Have a clear vision and artistic style for the game and stick with it. Deviating from your charted course based upon the blowing winds of fan input is often precarious.

This game has a very good thing going. It is one of the best on F95. Don't get in the van now. There is no candy and puppies in there, only a not so fun game of hide the weasel. Just keep up the excellent work by following your own creative instincts, which have been great overall.

That doesn't change the fact that keeping to 1st person only is them limiting themselves in terms of art especially when we will get to more sex scenes, the same carefully placed camera angles will get old really fast, while the only positives of keeping the VN like that are 'some people like it that way'.
Keep in mind that the devs themselves brought this topic up, it wasn't people complaining, or anything

Sidenote,do you remember that there was a poll for Sage's default hair color between the one in the game and the one we see in the flashback with Chad?

 

[mahsta]

That doesn't change the fact that keeping to 1st person only is them limiting themselves in terms of art especially when we will get to more sex scenes, the same carefully placed camera angles will get old really fast, while the only positives of keeping the VN like that are 'some people like it that way'.
Keep in mind that the devs themselves brought this topic up, it wasn't people complaining, or anything

Sidenote,do you remember that there was a poll for Sage's default hair color between the one in the game and the one we see in the flashback with Chad?

I agree. Good point of view.

 

[flarigand]

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Hello, everyone!
This week we carried on with the edits and render changes we decided on previously. Some dialogue was cut, a few renders removed, and a couple of re-renders added to the queue. There was also some crashing during rendering this week. The source behind these crashes remains to be discovered, but they luckily didn't affect anything except mental stability. Just one of those perks of working with 3D sometimes.

There was a surprising amount of fixes required for the new renders this week. That's something we'll look into in the future as the issues stemmed from the scenes themselves, but for the time being they're easily fixed in the post-processing stage.

Work on animations continued, as well as new renders. We spent some extra time focusing on a few scenes that will likely be the favorites of many in the upcoming update. There are still a couple more improvements we'd like to make on those scenes, but we'll see after we get some impressions from the beta version.

The updated script also meant that we had to rewrite some of the code. A couple of bugs also showed up on Ember after thorough playtesting, but we promptly escorted them out of the game. Ember is essentially done at this point, except for a few missing renders. They are low priority, however.

While editing this week, we were wondering how the players feel about the POV perspective we generally stick to in Summer Heat. We've been more liberal with angles and showing the main character in CH05 because some scenes are very limited by POV.

How do you feel about seeing more of the main character? Is strict POV important to you?

Other news

Earlier this week we posted the special render for August, featuring Eve. This special was a fun one to work on! They're all fun to create of course, since they're a little bit extra and different from our usual game renders. In case you missed out on Eve,

You must be registered to see the links

Cheers,

Robison & Npx

Basically, are you going to release an annual chapter?, that is why I personally prefer simpler but constant projects, this VN is spectacular visually and technically, and the story, the little that has progressed looks interesting, but a chapter aka update every 10-12 months is ridiculous, you should simplify the project more, I know that everyone hates Being a Dik, but it is the perfect example of how to advance projects a fairly long chapter every 3 to 4 months (the firts two seasons), with a prologue and a cliffhanger each chapter, I really think that you who are behind this VN have an incredible talent, but delivering an update every so often is simply not going to give you all the impact and relevance you deserve.

Chapter 5 with a lot of luck will be ready when, December?

 

[NeroZee]

But thats what I want, 3rd person for most of the game, POV for when it makes sense. What I asked is why people are ok with MC's body being shown, but not the face, because it makes no goddamn sense to me.
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Magnumhawaii, use your words, I want to hear one logical explanation.

Cant speak for everyone but the face personalizes the character, its a piece of detail that is much harder to get over than the characters body or whether he has tattoos or is hairy, etc...
Cause once you give him a face thats when he becomes another person to me. Again it all depends on case by case, take the MC from Artemis for instance, he isn't far off from what i look, he looks like a decent guy, well built, isnt short, has a great and funny personality. So i can live with that. Take the protagonist from Gunpowder Cocktail he is short, scrawny, has a dumb face with blonde hair, etc... It completely loses me. So again it all depends from person to person.

Anyway i think we beat this topic to death already and pretty much everyone agrees that a mix of POV and non-POV shots is the way to go, basically default to what the devs think is the best choice.

As for the MC's face I'd rather not see it or see it as little as possible, but if they decide we have to see him a lot i hope to god he looks "normal" and isn't like the ones OceanLab makes that seem to range from emo to roided bodybuilder.