VN Ren'Py Summer Heat [v0.6.1] [Naughty Fox Games]

[DoryKingSword]

Another status that says a lot and at the same time says nothing

This game is starting to turn out to be The Duke Nukem Forever of AVN's.

 

[BlackCobalt]

Then why didn't he put his game on steam and patreon both?

You can't release on Steam Early Access for an adult game that's still in development if I'm not mistaken. The content has to be complete in order for Valve to review it and this is why you usually see AVNs on Steam releasing by chapters/seasons and any succeeding updates releasing as DLC or a complete launch once the entire game is completed.

 

[Discrepancy]

Maybe because he would hoping to milk more and more until his supporters losing their temper?

He said back in Aug the update is 95% ready, why then the update didn't finished yet if it's just 5% left?

I shouldn't adress the milking thing, but if you think the devs are milking I would recommend unfollow this thread/game.

About the 95% it was a big mistake, they are horrible at estimations, it happened before (at least the last 2 updates) with the graphs/bars that went near 100% and stopped at 95% or something for months.

Imo if they are milkers/liars they are doing a very bad job, they should keep their graphs or percentages at a much slower growing rate.

What I think it happened is the main work was done back then, but between perfectionism and feeling that what they got wasn't enough they kept adding and still are, I just hope they decide to stop adding stuff soon so we can have the update.

 

[BeingADikDik]

I shouldn't adress the milking thing, but if you think the devs are milking I would recommend unfollow this thread/game.

About the 95% it was a big mistake, they are horrible at estimations, it happened before (at least the last 2 updates) with the graphs/bars that went near 100% and stopped at 95% or something for months.

Imo if they are milkers/liars they are doing a very bad job, they should keep their graphs or percentages at a much slower growing rate.

What I think it happened is the main work was done back then, but between perfectionism and feeling that what they got wasn't enough they kept adding and still are, I just hope they decide to stop adding stuff soon so we can have the update.

It's clear the devs are rate limited in being able to produce content. They need to cull side girl crap NOW if they want to make meaningful progress with main girls each update.

Also, regarding polishing dialogue ... they do know that AI can help them write that in mere minutes? AI is actually good at writing, less so for images/video at this time, but it wouldn't take long to contextualize with previous dialogue and describing the scene, then get lots of options ...

 

[DoryKingSword]

You can't release on Steam Early Access for an adult game that's still in development if I'm not mistaken. The content has to be complete in order for Valve to review it and this is why you usually see AVNs on Steam releasing by chapters/seasons and any succeeding updates releasing as DLC or a complete launch once the entire game is completed.

Not anymore, but when the first release of this game was announced you could put it on Steam and Patreon. It has only been this year the rules on Steam have changed for Early Access for adult games.

 

[Discrepancy]

It's clear the devs are rate limited in being able to produce content. They need to cull side girl crap NOW if they want to make meaningful progress with main girls each update.

I don't agree that they should cut side girls, the game with the same name as your name on this forum I only play for the side girls for example, and some people might do the same on this game, I know I like them too here.

Also, regarding polishing dialogue ... they do know that AI can help them write that in mere minutes? AI is actually good at writing, less so for images/video at this time, but it wouldn't take long to contextualize with previous dialogue and describing the scene, then get lots of options ...

Nah, fuck AI text, it can be a tool to help for sure, but having AI text here hope it never happens.

 

[King Cule]

I shouldn't adress the milking thing, but if you think the devs are milking I would recommend unfollow this thread/game.

About the 95% it was a big mistake, they are horrible at estimations, it happened before (at least the last 2 updates) with the graphs/bars that went near 100% and stopped at 95% or something for months.

Imo if they are milkers/liars they are doing a very bad job, they should keep their graphs or percentages at a much slower growing rate.

What I think it happened is the main work was done back then, but between perfectionism and feeling that what they got wasn't enough they kept adding and still are, I just hope they decide to stop adding stuff soon so we can have the update.

So it’s not my problem; it’s their problem. They are the ones who set the percentage and the announced release date and gave us false hope, even if it wasn’t intentional.
Anyway, what happened has already happened.
When the update is released in the future and we see that it’s truly big, as they say, then their words will be correct.
But I think they said that the new update would be around 4,200 renders, which would be only about 3 or 4 hours of gameplay.

 

[Discrepancy]

So it’s not my problem; it’s their problem. They are the ones who set the percentage and the announced release date and gave us false hope, even if it wasn’t intentional.
Anyway, what happened has already happened.
When the update is released in the future and we see that it’s truly big, as they say, then their words will be correct.
But I think they said that the new update would be around 4,200 renders, which would be only about 3 or 4 hours of gameplay.

Ofc it's their problem. Your only problem is continuing to follow a game when you think the devs are crooks, not sure you think that but if you do then yes it's your problem.

 

[Kirel]

One of the recent dev updates mentioned a surgical procedure so I wonder if that's had an impact on their ability to finish this update. They still haven't officially confirmed that it won't release before Jan. 1 but they are rapidly running out of time.

 

[seniorboop]

Ofc it's their problem. Your only problem is continuing to follow a game when you think the devs are crooks, not sure you think that but if you do then yes it's your problem.

This is where I differ. I dont think they're crooks, I think they're extremely inefficient.

They keep giving wildly inaccurate completion percentages because they still haven't worked out any sort of defined and predictable processes to give them the data to somewhat quantify their overall status. I'm also not convinced they sat down and planned out what they're specifically looking to deliver with updates in advance, basically "vibe creating" until they somewhat feel like they've reached a finish line. Every time they've said they're 90% done it was based on vibes, not data.

Also gotta agree with the other folks, scope creep. I don't need my razor to also be my toothbrush, that dress up minigame has to be the abilene paradox at work. It's the only explanation.

 

[Great-Forbbiden-Sweetroll]

Speaking of Status Updates, didn't they mention something about starting a beta testing for 0.7 sometime around last month?

 

[Discrepancy]

Speaking of Status Updates, didn't they mention something about starting a beta testing for 0.7 sometime around last month?

They mention it again, only not by name:

Most of the bugs should now be cleared, at least from what we've managed to comb through. Dialogue is also starting to feel clean. We have a few scenes left to edit properly on our end, and then it's time to get some fresh eyes on the update to see what we've missed.

That's Beta

 

[jaaaximus]

I don't know why you're all so nervous... I warned you it would be a polishing announcement.

 

[shanksyou]

I would vote for them if they were politicians, they have mastered the art of politicking.

 

[TurboKinetics]

Yes, why would they lie? what's to gain in the long term to lie to their patreons?
This status update was really informative actually, most of you just didn't like what you read, I would prefer to get an update date myself too, but it is what it is.

Same reason they kept remastering skyrim instead of making a new game. The patreon paypigs are gluttons for bank account punishment haha

So it’s not my problem; it’s their problem. They are the ones who set the percentage and the announced release date and gave us false hope, even if it wasn’t intentional.
Anyway, what happened has already happened.
When the update is released in the future and we see that it’s truly big, as they say, then their words will be correct.
But I think they said that the new update would be around 4,200 renders, which would be only about 3 or 4 hours of gameplay.

They aint really doing 4200 renders. Likely counting each frame of the animations in that figure. That many renders they could have cut an update a long time ago

 

[Discrepancy]

Same reason they kept remastering skyrim instead of making a new game. The patreon paypigs are gluttons for bank account punishment haha

They aint really doing 4200 renders. Likely counting each frame of the animations in that figure. That many renders they could have cut an update a long time ago

Dude, you're a dev, maybe being a bit more considerate for other fellow devs wouldn't hurt?

 

[Draim]

 

[shenlao]

Wow last few page have so many riots comments. It seems people miss the "green haired girl" and demand for more screen time.

 

[Sony676]

Based on the information from the current status update, it definitely feels like there’s still quite a bit of work left to do. And slowly but surely, we’re reaching the point where you have to accept that the update simply won’t be released in 2025 anymore. I don’t want to jinx it, but they themselves said just yesterday or the day before on Discord that updates are usually released on a Thursday. And for this year, the next Thursday would have been the last real chance, assuming they want to stick to Thursdays. The Thursday after that is Christmas, and the one after that is already New Year’s.

That’s why I don’t quite understand the approach of the current status update. After already making the mistake back in August with the 90–95% statement, if you can’t provide a release date now, the honest and transparent thing to do would be to clearly communicate that the whole thing is likely slipping into next year. Time is the devs’ biggest enemy right now, and given what still lies ahead of them, I just don’t see how they could realistically release the game within the next two weeks.

Of course, I wish they could — just like most people here. But at this point, it feels extremely unrealistic. While I had already kind of expected this internally, I really don’t understand why they aren’t addressing this obvious elephant in the room and instead picking everyone up honestly, rather than saying nothing and still fueling hope that they’ll definitely release this year. In the end, that just ends up being another self-inflicted wound, because it gives perfect ammunition to those who are already frustrated.

As I said, I personally had slowly come to terms with this outcome, but I’m genuinely surprised that it’s not being addressed at all, effectively repeating the same mistake as back then with the 90–95% progress claim. There’s simply no time left. No time left to realistically attach a 2025 release date to this update — unless they actually plan to release it on Christmas. And that would be a strange choice, considering most people spend that time with their families and wouldn’t be available to deal with things like bug reports or quick fixes in case players run into game-breaking issues.

Well, we’ll see. Now it’s back to waiting another week for what might be the last status update of the year. And then that’s it for 2025. It’s a bit disappointing, but at this point, that’s the realistic outlook.

 

[Discrepancy]

Based on the information from the current status update, it definitely feels like there’s still quite a bit of work left to do. And slowly but surely, we’re reaching the point where you have to accept that the update simply won’t be released in 2025 anymore. I don’t want to jinx it, but they themselves said just yesterday or the day before on Discord that updates are usually released on a Thursday. And for this year, the next Thursday would have been the last real chance, assuming they want to stick to Thursdays. The Thursday after that is Christmas, and the one after that is already New Year’s.

That’s why I don’t quite understand the approach of the current status update. After already making the mistake back in August with the 90–95% statement, if you can’t provide a release date now, the honest and transparent thing to do would be to clearly communicate that the whole thing is likely slipping into next year. Time is the devs’ biggest enemy right now, and given what still lies ahead of them, I just don’t see how they could realistically release the game within the next two weeks.

Of course, I wish they could — just like most people here. But at this point, it feels extremely unrealistic. While I had already kind of expected this internally, I really don’t understand why they aren’t addressing this obvious elephant in the room and instead picking everyone up honestly, rather than saying nothing and still fueling hope that they’ll definitely release this year. In the end, that just ends up being another self-inflicted wound, because it gives perfect ammunition to those who are already frustrated.

As I said, I personally had slowly come to terms with this outcome, but I’m genuinely surprised that it’s not being addressed at all, effectively repeating the same mistake as back then with the 90–95% progress claim. There’s simply no time left. No time left to realistically attach a 2025 release date to this update — unless they actually plan to release it on Christmas. And that would be a strange choice, considering most people spend that time with their families and wouldn’t be available to deal with things like bug reports or quick fixes in case players run into game-breaking issues.

Well, we’ll see. Now it’s back to waiting another week for what might be the last status update of the year. And then that’s it for 2025. It’s a bit disappointing, but at this point, that’s the realistic outlook.

Going to quote myself from what I wrote on off-topic thread:

Yeah, they should have addressed the "it will release this year", my guess is that they are still trying but still don't know if they going to make it.