VN Ren'Py Completed Returning to Mia [v1.2.0] [Inceton]

[Deleted member 4041066]

Either the conversation was in the original game's thread or the summer with mia thread. If it's not there anymore then the damn mods have likely removed all the posts in a thread clean up maybe. It was a long conversation i had with that guy over a year back in one of the two threads. Shame you can't find it cause at the time, he indicated he did have direct control over the story because inceton was allowing him to write it how he wanted. If that's changed, dude clearly got humbled.

It's still in there. But that message that I mentioned was the only one where I saw him directly talking about possibly having any power over the decisions or direction of the game. The writer does vary between the usage of "I" and "we" when he talks about making the game and writing the story in his messages, Inceton himself stepped in to the conversation back in Christmas 2018 and said "we will have a talk with our writer to come up with a branching story where you can chose 2 different paths. Everyone happy now?" and "We cant make everyone happy we are well aware of that but we will always try to do our best". That already back then made it pretty evident that he wasn't in charge of the game and it's direction alone, but was pretty much doing what Inceton wanted him to do with the story. And the same thing is going around on this one too.

 

[bluehound36]

It's still in there. But that message that I mentioned was the only one where I saw him directly talking about possibly having any power over the decisions or direction of the game.

He mentioned it more than once so there was likely a thread clean up i'd imagine that removed some of those old posts or perhaps he either deleted them himself or edited a few of his own posts after the fact. Guess i missed inceton jumping in there though? I kind of stopped paying attention to that thread shortly after having that conversation. That said, i seriously doubt inceton jumped in just to appease people here. Odds are he did that to show he still holds main control over most projects and was just keeping his newest writer from offending too many people here. That would have ultimately cost him money otherwise. Branching paths aren't going to correct the problem though with the inconsistencies and what is a poor narrative story to begin with. It'll make it slightly more bearable but the original story in the first game was by far better even if it was porn logic. It worked for what it was trying to accomplish as a narrative structure and Mia definitely came off far more intelligent than she does in this game and was the stereotypical hot blonde bimbo. Now she's lackluster blonde bimbo with almost no personality or intelligence. The aunt is the hotter character, has a personality and is relatively depicted as intelligent in this game and that's a damn shame considering this is suppose to be centered on Mia as the primary love interest. This is what pisses me off. If they were going to tell a love story then that is exactly what they should have done. Instead, the writer just wanted a harem game for the MC and used the love story idea as an excuse to win over the anti-ntr crowd. This entire game's narrative should have been left as Mia being an intelligent bimbo that turned into a corrupted minx being used by her own brother and becoming a stripper/model/porn star because her character was developed as enjoying it all happening.

 

[Conviction07]

I'm probably going to regret posting this, because I really don't want to get into it with a certain user here, I do have almost complete control over the story. The only thing I really can't do is include ntr elements since the focus on that stuff has moved over to our other patreon account. So yeah, if you hate the direction this game has gone in, you can blame me for it. Sorry...

 

[cxx]

I wouldn't call it kinetic as the choices still do have an impact on what happens, but I do agree that the choices you make could have even more bigger impact to the story and there could be even more choices to be made.

some choices matter but for example early when talking with mia choices didn't seem to matter.

 

[Deleted member 4041066]

Sorry...

First of kudos for stepping forward and clearing things up on that one so I can admit being wrong here on that one then, even though you have some history with the other user. Second, don't really be sorry about doing your thing with the game. We are pretty harsh towards your work here because we feel that it hasn't lived up to its full potential so far and that it could be done better, but in the end majority of us doesn't even pay a single dime for that work so...why would you apologise anything from some of us not liking it, right? It seems that the majority of the supporters of you guys likes the game the way it currently is so I guess you are doing something right with it.

some choices matter but for example early when talking with mia choices didn't seem to matter.

Well we don't know that yet though. Maybe it did, maybe it didn't. I guess we're gonna find out more on that on the next episode. Depends on how for example Emma suddenly showing up is explained. If it's just the default explanation with absolutely no matter what you chose to tell about her to Mia on the first episodes, then you are correct on that one.

 

[Conviction07]

First of kudos for stepping forward and clearing things up on that one so I can admit being wrong here on that one then, even though you have some history with the other user. Second, don't really be sorry about doing your thing with the game. We are pretty harsh towards your work here because we feel that it hasn't lived up to its full potential so far and that it could be done better, but in the end majority of us doesn't even pay a single dime for that work so...why would you apologise anything from some of us not liking it, right? It seems that the majority of the supporters of you guys likes the game the way it currently is so I guess you are doing something right with it.

Well we don't know that yet though. Maybe it did, maybe it didn't. I guess we're gonna find out more on that on the next episode. Depends on how for example Emma suddenly showing up is explained. If it's just the default explanation with absolutely no matter what you chose to tell about her to Mia on the first episodes, then you are correct on that one.

I'm not really all that sorry, honestly. Sure, I'd prefer it if everyone loved the choices I've made, but I know that's never going to happen. You being one of them for example. But I'm still welcoming of criticism, because I know I'm not perfect and there are definitely things I could have done better, so feel free to express your opinions however unflattering they may be.
Also, just to address the Emma situation, your choice on whether she went to prison or became a pornstar will definitely have a significant impact in the future, but it won't be revealed in episode 6.

 

[GetOutOfMyLab]

I'm not really all that sorry, honestly. Sure, I'd prefer it if everyone loved the choices I've made, but I know that's never going to happen. You being one of them for example. But I'm still welcoming of criticism, because I know I'm not perfect and there are definitely things I could have done better, so feel free to express your opinions however unflattering they may be.
Also, just to address the Emma situation, your choice on whether she went to prison or became a pornstar will definitely have a significant impact in the future, but it won't be revealed in episode 6.

There's plenty of constructive criticism in this thread. Look at it. Review it. Learn from it. There are definitely things I would have liked to be different, but it's still been fun. As far as the porn star vs love thing, or whatever...I dunno. The end of SWM 1 left me in a WTF moment. It was sad, because it seemed like Mia and MC were pretty much in love at that point. And then she abruptly left. (excuse my memory on these events, it's been a while). Then there was the scene in the previous release where they finally let it all out and did the deed. I thought that was wonderful. In my mind, they truly love each other and after those few years apart it all just came tumbling down. So if you were responsible for that, I really enjoyed that.

There are some valid criticisms in this thread, though. So I hope you look at them and use them to improve the story. Good luck!

 

[bluehound36]

I'm probably going to regret posting this, because I really don't want to get into it with a certain user here, I do have almost complete control over the story. The only thing I really can't do is include ntr elements since the focus on that stuff has moved over to our other patreon account. So yeah, if you hate the direction this game has gone in, you can blame me for it. Sorry...

Just like i've been pointing out since this all started. Thank you for being honest in that regard. Proves what i've been trying to point out about the story in regards to it failing to deliver upon what you originally promised all that time ago before it started to get developed. This isn't a love story or even a romance. It's a harem game for the MC. So, either you lied back then about the direction you were going to be taking this one in or you decided to do exactly what i pointed out even back then, create a porn game with a bunch of female characters specifically for the MC (players) to be yet another douchebag towards that sticks his dick in all of them. Meanwhile, Mia, ended up being relegated to being a meek, wet hole instead of a corrupted, intelligent, clever and hot blonde bimbo that actually use to have personality that showed women can enjoy sex too. How very generic, bland, overdone, boring and absurd. I actually would have supported the direction of the story had it actually been developed as was stated by you, a love story between the mc and mia. It's not though and that is definitely upon you as a narrative failure. I do not hold anything against you on a personal level. Do not take this in that manner. Just please admit to where you have gone wrong as a writer and improve so whatever project you work on after this will hopefully be something you can deliver what you promise.

 

[Conviction07]

Just like i've been pointing out since this all started. Thank you for being honest in that regard. Proves what i've been trying to point out about the story in regards to it failing to deliver upon what you originally promised all that time ago before it started to get developed. This isn't a love story or even a romance. It's a harem game for the MC. So, either you lied back then about the direction you were going to be taking this one in or you decided to do exactly what i pointed out even back then, create a porn game with a bunch of female characters specifically for the MC (players) to be yet another douchebag towards that sticks his dick in all of them. How very generic, bland, overdone, boring and absurd. I actually would have supported the direction of the story had it actually been developed as was stated by you, a love story between the mc and mia. It's not though and that is definitely upon you as a narrative failure. I do not hold anything against you on a personal level. Do not take this in that manner. Just please admit to where you have gone wrong as a writer and improve so whatever project you work on after this will hopefully be something you can deliver what you promise.

Funny how you keep droning on about what a douchebag the MC is, who sticks his dick into anything, yet you fail to mention that other than his girlfriend (for now), and one story necessary scene with Mia, the MC doesn't have to sleep with any other character, and can just be a friend to them if you want. Also, since I'm doing what I said I didn't want to, and engaging with you, I'm curious to know what these supposed drama causing suspicions you have about why I changed the direction of the story?

 

[drooopy]

Funny how you keep droning on about what a douchebag the MC is, who sticks his dick into anything, yet you fail to mention that other than his girlfriend (for now), and one story necessary scene with Mia, the MC doesn't have to sleep with any other character, and can just be a friend to them if you want.

his problem isn't that mia is fucking a mc douchebag who sticks his dick into anything, his problem is that she's not fucking other douchebags who stick their dicks into anything, preferably freaks, thugs & pornstars. U failed when u ruined her porn career cause ntr apparenly isn't overdone, it's only harems that are overdone.

 

[bluehound36]

his problem isn't that mia is fucking a mc douchebag who sticks his dick into anything, his problem is that she's not fucking other douchebags who stick their dicks into anything, preferably freaks, thugs & pornstars. U failed when u ruined her porn career cause ntr apparenly isn't overdone, it's only harems that are overdone.

Wrong. As i've stated several times already. You're apparently going to continue being an idiot though. Your choice.

I actually would have supported the direction of the story had it actually been developed as was stated by you, a love story between the mc and mia.

My own statement to him. I really would have supported the idea had the game actually been as stated. It wasn't and isn't though. It's just another generic harem game now. That's the truth that some people are willing to accept because they have next to no imagination as to how something could be made far better from a romance standpoint or from a female actually having a sexual appetite and being depicted as clever and intelligent rather than some meek, wet hole for a douchebag mc to stick his dick in with no repercussion and bouncing to every other wet hole thereafter. That's absurd and stupid writing in the end. Apparently, some of you don't like female characters being depicted as something other than just a wet hole for the MC. That's actually kind of sad.

 

[M'95]

Meanwhile, Mia, ended up being relegated to being a meek, wet hole instead of a corrupted, intelligent, clever and hot blonde bimbo that actually use to have personality that showed women can enjoy sex too. How very generic, bland, overdone, boring and absurd.

Haleluja, couldn't have stated this better myself.

 

[SaltySugar]

So if Mia fucks everything that moves she's "clever and intelligent" but now that she realized she's in love with her brother, it means she's just a "meek, wet hole".

Makes a whole lot of sense.

 

[bluehound36]

So if Mia fucks everything that moves she's "clever and intelligent" but now that she realized she's in love with her brother, it means she's just a "meek, wet hole".

Makes a whole lot of sense.

No, the manner in which the character conducts their actions and behavior is what determines their personality in these vns and games. That is up to the developers to depict in succussful ways. The fact her character was doing what her brother was in the first game AND had a personality that displayed she was intelligent and clever enough to make money in what she was doing showed that her character had far more potential and growth than the MC who was depicted as a complete retard that'd stick his dick anything but gained nothing from it but pleasure and had no direction as far as life choices. Mia's character was growing in that regard and ended up being smart enough to convince the mc with emma to engage in starting an online porn business. On top of that she was obviously intelligent enough to become successful in a strip joint where she basically could wrap the customers around her finger and even come close (along with emma) in trying to seduce and manipulate the club owner. There were so many instances of where she may have come across as the hot blonde bimbo but the character clearly had the necessary mental faculties to put what she had to effective use in the narrative. To make that even more successful, her character was also depicted as being capable of enjoying all the sex she was having just like the MC. That tends to upset young boys and immature men who don't know how to respond to such even in real life. It's kind of pathetic to see play out over a game but hey, that's the human species for you.

In this game, she's depicted as a meek little girl that just wants her brother to choose only her, knowing full well he's still a retard that sticks his dick in anything that moves. Her character has been dumbed down just to suit the fancies of players that want a harem game. The aunt has basically taken on the role mia had in the original game. That's all fine and well if this really were being developed as a love story as it was promised to be. That isn't the case and should not be ignored as the main reason why this game is failing.

 

[hapaglloyd]

i have a question whats the deal with that red button and the spin arrow that appears on top right and midle right of the screen. i cant interact with those

 

[cxx]

Wrong. As i've stated several times already. You're apparently going to continue being an idiot though.

game plot wouldn't be same if he was that smart.

i have a question whats the deal with that red button and the spin arrow that appears on top right and midle right of the screen. i cant interact with those

red is to view girls/women nekkid and arrows to rotate them.

 

[drooopy]

if i went on other games threads that have ntr in them complaining about it, calling the users there idiots & unjustly attacking the writer for ruining the story i'd probably get banned, why is that?

 

[hapaglloyd]

game plot wouldn't be same if he was that smart.



red is to view girls/women nekkid and arrows to rotate them.

nice! but i cant use the buttons. i click them nothing happends

 

[cxx]

if i went on other games threads that have ntr in them complaining about it, calling the users there idiots & unjustly attacking the writer for ruining the story i'd probably get banned, why is that?

against F95 rules, at best your post/s is/are deleted and at worst you get banned.

nice! but i cant use the buttons. i click them nothing happends

yea those don't always work.

 

[magaclaawe]

Funny how you keep droning on about what a douchebag the MC is, who sticks his dick into anything, yet you fail to mention that other than his girlfriend (for now), and one story necessary scene with Mia, the MC doesn't have to sleep with any other character, and can just be a friend to them if you want. Also, since I'm doing what I said I didn't want to, and engaging with you, I'm curious to know what these supposed drama causing suspicions you have about why I changed the direction of the story?

Will you add more ntr? And not just some story stuff?