VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[Fun Shaundi]

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The panic attacks thing I hate. Straight up. From top to bottom.I will never come to terms with it. It changes the MC personality too much and that's hard to stomach. I could deal with the toning down of his edginess but now he almost seems bipolar. Like one minute he doesn't give a fuck about anyone else, says things with no filter and is generally an asshole. He projects a stoic, strong and unbothered persona. Then the next minute he is cowering down afraid of everything around him like a little bitch. What? It made sense to me before, his freakout with Vic's eraser and later after kissing Nami (if you chose to do so). Those were consistent with everything we had seen and Nami had warned him not to get too much on his plate at once. The panic attacks just make no sense. There was never any mention of them. He doesn't speak about them with Nami, Nojiko or Amber. They just appeared misteriously one day.
All these reworks are introducing serious continuity issues with the story and its getting harder and harder to ignore them.

I mentioned it before, but as someone who, for coincidences in life, went through something similar as MC, I'd say Ocean pretty much nailed it with the panic attacks and behaviour in general. MC already had a problematic attitude (see what a little shit he was to Summer and Nami when he first met Summer). Add depression and PTSD to the list and he will behave like a very unstable person who, at times, might seem like he's having contradictory emotions all the time. In a way they are, not even us can explain what's up with us, we only know that something isn't right, and we're aware of it. And for me, it took me years to confide my family with my panic attacks and anger issues. Sometimes we don't talk about it cause we're embarrassed of it and we don't want to scare our loved ones, or we're afraid they might just tag us as 'crazy'. That's why family can be the last ones to know.

So I'm afraid that many people won't understand MC's behavior and will think it's all over the place if they never have studied anything related to say, psychology, or if they haven't experienced the same thing in real life (which is great, I wouldn't wish this to anyone, so the fact that you don't know it cause you haven't experienced it is good).

But that's just how I see things.

 

[RNasc4444]

I mentioned it before, but as someone who, for coincidences in life, went through something similar as MC, I'd say Ocean pretty much nailed it with the panic attacks and behaviour in general. MC already had a problematic attitude (see what a little shit he was to Summer and Nami when he first met Summer). Add depression and PTSD to the list and he will behave like a very unstable person who, at times, might seem like he's having contradictory emotions all the time. In a way they are, not even us can explain what's up with us, we only know that something isn't right, and we're aware of it. And for me, it took me years to confide my family with my panic attacks and anger issues. Sometimes we don't talk about it cause we're embarrassed of it and we don't want to scare our loved ones, or we're afraid they might just tag us as 'crazy'. That's why family can be the last ones to know.

So I'm afraid that many people won't understand MC's behavior and will think it's all over the place if they never have studied anything related to say, psychology, or if they haven't experienced the same thing in real life (which is great, I wouldn't wish this to anyone, so the fact that you don't know it cause you haven't experienced it is good).

But that's just how I see things.

Fair.

Could you address this: "The panic attacks just make no sense. There was never any mention of them. He doesn't speak about them with Nami, Nojiko or Amber. They just appeared misteriously one day."

Are we to assume the panic attack in the car with Maja was his first ever? Why has he not mentioned it to anyone. Was it addressed "off screen"? It seems like a rather important detail about MC's psychological status to not be mentioned with Amber, Noji or Nami ever, right?

When I'm saying it doesn't make sense I am talking about the ENTIRE CONTEXT OF THE GAME THUS FAR. It is inconsistent with what we were provided pre or even post reworks. Ocean could have added 2 renders with MC stating to Nami something like "it happened again. In the car with Maja" for example. Instead it's just something that happens, seems important but is never mentioned or adressed.

 

[yossa999]

Could you address this: "The panic attacks just make no sense. There was never any mention of them. He doesn't speak about them with Nami, Nojiko or Amber. They just appeared misteriously one day."

I'm sorry for interfering, but those panic attacks were mentioned by MC since the Ch.2 came out. He confessed to Vic about that in the physiotherapy:

"This might be the hardest thing you'll ever have to do.. I- I'm in a desperate need to let go of my past and the worst thing you could do is to live denial.. to not face your fears.. and end up like me.. Everytime I.. try to let go I feel like I'm suffocating, my heart rate increases and I'm about to have a panic attack.. It did cost me a lot of courage to agree on date with you.. But it was a first and very important step for me.. I might not show affection the way other people do.. but it's there. I still feel.. *you take a deep breath* vulnerable.. scared.. and alone.."

So either he lied to Vic about it or the scenes where he had these panic attacks were missing and Ocean just fixed it.

 

[crabsinthekitchen]

Fair.

Could you address this: "The panic attacks just make no sense. There was never any mention of them. He doesn't speak about them with Nami, Nojiko or Amber. They just appeared misteriously one day."

Are we to assume the panic attack in the car with Maja was his first ever? Why has he not mentioned it to anyone. Was it addressed "off screen"? It seems like a rather important detail about MC's psychological status to not be mentioned with Amber, Noji or Nami ever, right?

When I'm saying it doesn't make sense I am talking about the ENTIRE CONTEXT OF THE GAME THUS FAR. It is inconsistent with what we were provided pre or even post reworks. Ocean could have added 2 renders with MC stating to Nami something like "it happened again. In the car with Maja" for example. Instead it's just something that happens, seems important but is never mentioned or adressed.

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[r0def]

When the story with mom will already be waiting with the disclosure ... Amazing game

 

[John972]

Spoiler: Where It All Began / Where Is It All Heading?

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I missed that Oceanlab previously stated all bets are off regarding story compatibility between the "old" WIAB (up to v6) and SG going forward:

Forget the old WiAB.
Nothing in there has any relevance for the future.

 

[PaxHadrian17]

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Thanks for sharing this.

Once again, Ocean gives us different paths, with different levels of information, and this is a great example.

I chose differently and there was no Nami to talk this through, I got Sasha's friend instead and, given that the MC has no idea who she is - not even a name, there is no conversation explaining this, just a little introspection with the thought that this has not happened in forever.

Spoiler: College Panic Attack

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[Mamaragan]

Thanks for sharing this.

Once again, Ocean gives us different paths, with different levels of information, and this is a great example.

I chose differently and there was no Nami to talk this through, I got Sasha's friend instead and, given that the MC has no idea who she is - not even a name, there is no conversation explaining this, just a little introspection with the thought that this has not happened in forever.

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I got this one to.
I think that you got Sasha's friend when you're on bad term with Nami.

 

[yossa999]

I got this one to.
I think that you got Sasha's friend when you're on bad term with Nami.

No, your version of this scene happens when you turn down Jeff's offer to go to the gym together. Then the next morning, instead of going to the gym, you go to college with Nami, lose her in the crowd, and have a panic attack.

 

[Tairnel]

522nd Replay

Another minor irrelevant detail noticed


Vanessa has a muscle imbalance in the traps

 

[Ayhsel]

I came here to say something that must be said....


I miss the Queen soooo much!!!


Thank you.

 

[Tairnel]

I came here to say something that must be said....


I miss the Queen soooo much!!!


Thank you.

Same here, I've been dying for Sasha content.

 

[Penfold Mole]

Please bring the incest tag back, I almost thought the thread got deleted again, Its misleading

And then we'll be getting daily trolls complaining about the misleading incest tag again, while there's no sex at all in the game.
The fact is, the game doesn't qualify to have the tag. Not yet.

No, your version of this scene happens when you turn down Jeff's offer to go to the gym together. Then the next morning, instead of going to the gym, you go to college with Nami, lose her in the crowd, and have a panic attack.

Did go to the gym with Jeff, still had that panic attack.
Must be something else or more than one condition to meet. Have to check the script.
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correction:
I misread what yossa said there. Everything he said is correct.

 

[Orgitas]

Well, except for the whole hot tub incident and kissing the "sister"... Pretty sure that qualifies.

 

[Penfold Mole]

Well, except for the whole hot tub incident and kissing the "sister"... Pretty sure that qualifies.

Neither qualify as incest. Just some petting.
Check your dictionary again

The rules also clearly define incest as:

Incest [Sex act between family relatives, including those not related by blood.]

https://f95zone.to/threads/tags-rules-and-list-updated-2023-02-03.10394/post-578639

 

[Fun Shaundi]

Did go to the gym with Jeff, still had that panic attack.
Must be something else or more than one condition to meet. Have to check the script.

The panic attack always happens, what changes is who follows you into the classroom: Either Nami or Sasha's friend.
In the only playthrough where I chose the 'evil'(or antisocial, or 'not nice') choices, I got Nami. Can't actually remember if I rejected Jeff or not, but maybe I did due to the 'not so nice' choices.

 

[Ali ibn Hassan]

Well, except for the whole hot tub incident and kissing the "sister"... Pretty sure that qualifies.

Smoochin an' skinny dippin' in da tub ain't naughty enuff! XXX is!

 

[yossa999]

Did go to the gym with Jeff, still had that panic attack.
Must be something else or more than one condition to meet. Have to check the script.

I meant, you're going to have that panic attack anyway, the difference is that when you go to the gym with Jeff, you'll be alone in the empty classroom during the attack until that new Sasha's semi-dyed friend finds you. Otherwise, you will be there with Nami.

 

[Penfold Mole]

I meant, you're going to have that panic attack anyway, the difference is that when you go to the gym with Jeff, you'll be alone in the empty classroom during the attack until that new Sasha's semi-dyed friend finds you. Otherwise, you will be there with Nami.

Oh, right, I just checked the script. You have to skip the gym to have Nami in the class. I just misread what you said there. Thought it was the opposite.
My mistake, sorry!

 

[Orgitas]

look, all I am saying is, if I was being ground to the point my mast is ready to set sail by my sister.. Yeah, No that ain't incest at all.. nooooo.. She is just helping a brother out, right?