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VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

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yossa999

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John972 said:
Even if some of the details of your theory are wrong, your general premise could be in the right ballpark.
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I still think that it was something more violent than just the intrigues of angry Summer's family. The theory is that Summer was kidnapped and since then her fate has been unknown as her body has never been found seems more plausible to me. Or maybe Sasha was kidnapped by the same criminals but she managed to escape, which could explain the story behind her scar. It even makes more sense if we remember the fact that Summer and Sasha's families are some of the richest in town, so it was really for ransom. And since they've been held together for a while, Summer told Sasha about Nika and their relationship, which is why Sasha acts weird every time she sees him. We can also add the "cruel incident" to this, Summer was with Nika when it happened, and he tried to stop the attacker(s). And of course, the Summer family hit a nail in Nika's head when they blamed him for what happened because she ran away with him that day instead of bearing her royal duties with the family. He already blamed himself, but that was the last straw, he drowned in guilt and became the guy we met at the beginning of the game.
Phew, it's so easy to come up with theories when the story is good and you love the characters.
 
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yossa999 said:
I still think that it was something more violent than just the intrigues of angry Summer's family. The theory is that Summer was kidnapped and since then her fate has been unknown as her body has never been found seems more plausible to me. Or maybe Sasha was kidnapped by the same criminals but she managed to escape, which could explain the story behind her scar. It even makes more sense if we remember the fact that Summer and Sasha's families are some of the richest in town, so it was really for ransom. And since they've been held together for a while, Summer told Sasha about Nika and their relationship, which is why Sasha acts weird every time she sees him. We can also add the "cruel incident" to this, Summer was with Nika when it happened, and he tried to stop the attacker(s). And of course, the Summer family hit a nail in Nika's head when they blamed him for what happened because she ran away with him that day instead of bearing her royal duties with the family. He already blamed himself, but that was the last straw, he drowned in guilt and became the guy we met at the beginning of the game.
Phew, it's so easy to come up with theories when the story is good and you love the characters.
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Yeah, anything is possible, and I agree your theory is plausible. We're patiently waiting to be drip-fed clues to tie the narrative and events together and to reveal underlying the mystery. :love: Note - follow the elementary to high school relationships. So far, the MC, Nami, and Summer went to the same schools, and Nia joined them in high school at least. The rest of the principle college characters went to different elementary, middle, and high schools to the MC/Nami/Summer. Sasha, I recall, is an exception 'cause she remains enigmatic - nothing about her school life prior to college has been revealed. However, to date, Sasha's only interest in the MC is purely related to his association with Bella and nothing else.

I just keep an open mind, especially in the knowledge of Ocean's change of tone for the game. There's such a broad spectrum of possibilities available regarding Summer's disappearance, from really dark to mundane (which is why I keep shitposting different scenarios ;):D I have no more of a solid grasp on what happened than any other punter).
 
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John972 said:
Yeah, anything is possible, and I agree your theory is plausible. We're patiently waiting to be drip-fed clues to tie the narrative and events together and to reveal underlying the mystery. :love: Note - follow the elementary to high school relationships. So far, the MC, Nami, and Summer went to the same schools, and Nia joined them in high school at least. The rest of the principle college characters went to different elementary, middle, and high schools to the MC/Nami/Summer. Sasha, I recall, is an exception 'cause she remains enigmatic - nothing about her school life prior to college has been revealed. However, to date, Sasha's only interest in the MC is purely related to his association with Bella and nothing else.
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Not everything is so simple with Sasha. If the MC goes to the gym with Bella, there will come a point where he thinks he recognized Sasha from somewhere. Later in the audience, when the MC spotted the smiling eraser, the camera focuses on Sasha's face as if she know something about it. Too few facts to draw conclusions, but strange enough to go unnoticed. But you are right, Sasha's interest in the MC is mainly due to his connection with Bella, and the interest in Bella is apparently due to her friendship with Robin, who obviously has some tension in relations with Bella.

John972 said:
I just keep an open mind, especially in the knowledge of Ocean's change of tone for the game. There's such a broad spectrum of possibilities available regarding Summer's disappearance, from really dark to mundane (which is why I keep shitposting different scenarios ;):D I have no more of a solid grasp on what happened than any other punter).
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Yes, everything we have learned about this topic is still not enough to come to reliable conclusions. So far, everything we know about Summer's disappearance can be twisted to support just about any theory. Let's change my assumption from "kidnap for ransom" to "plane crash" as you mentioned earlier, and it still makes sense.

Damn, Ocean, give us an update asap, or you won't like what we make of your story! :KEK:
 
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yossa999 said:
Not everything is so simple with Sasha. If the MC goes to the gym with Bella, there will come a point where he thinks he recognized Sasha from somewhere. Later in the audience, when the MC spotted the smiling eraser, the camera focuses on Sasha's face as if she know something about it. Too few facts to draw conclusions, but strange enough to go unnoticed. But you are right, Sasha's interest in the MC is mainly due to his connection with Bella, and the interest in Bella is apparently due to her friendship with Robin, who obviously has some tension in relations with Bella.


Yes, everything we have learned about this topic is still not enough to come to reliable conclusions. So far, everything we know about Summer's disappearance can be twisted to support just about any theory. Let's change my assumption from "kidnap for ransom" to "plane crash" as you mentioned earlier, and it still makes sense.

Damn, Ocean, give us an update asap, or you won't like what we make of your story! :KEK:
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Yeah, the MC thinks "For some reason I feel like... never mind" when looking at Sasha at the gym (only when going to the gym with Bella). It's suitably cryptic!

Another aspect to Bella/Sasha... Amber went to college with Sasha's mom and they are friends, so it's likely Bella and Sasha have known each other socially for a long time, even if they've never been friends.

You are right... during various scenes, Ocean has chosen to focus (figuratively and literally) on the reactions of characters in the background. I assume there is a reason for this in most cases.
 
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yossa999 said:
I still think that it was something more violent than just the intrigues of angry Summer's family. The theory is that Summer was kidnapped and since then her fate has been unknown as her body has never been found seems more plausible to me. Or maybe Sasha was kidnapped by the same criminals but she managed to escape, which could explain the story behind her scar. It even makes more sense if we remember the fact that Summer and Sasha's families are some of the richest in town, so it was really for ransom.
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I too think that the reason Summer is gone is more criminal in nature than a simple "her family did not like Nika and moved away". Nika was seriously hurt that day (both lungs collapsed) and has a trauma from it. That does not hint at a mundane leaving of town.
It would also fit more with WIAB´s theme. Willi (or whatever we name him) Zane, the WIAB MC, returns to Wollust after years of absence because his mother was in an accident which left her mute from shock. But his father Dylan and even more so his sister Leia think the accident was no accident, but more an assasination attempt.
 
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I too think that the reason Summer is gone is more criminal in nature than a simple "her family did not like Nika and moved away". Nika was seriously hurt that day (both lungs collapsed) and has a trauma from it. That does not hint at a mundane leaving of town.
It would also fit more with WIAB´s theme. Willi (or whatever we name him) Zane, the WIAB MC, returns to Wollust after years of absence because his mother was in an accident which left her mute from shock. But his father Dylan and even more so his sister Leia think the accident was no accident, but more an assasination attempt.
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It's a fallacy to assume the MC's hospital visit (the "violent incident") is directly linked to the day of Summer's disappearance.

I am not saying they aren't part of the same event (because the story definitely supports the possibility), rather nothing in story so far confirms that they are.

There's two conversations of interest:

MC to Jeff: "...I dominated in high school basketball... But I quit half a year in." Nami to Jeff: "He would have made the high school basketball team as a starter if... something wouldn't have happened."

The MC could be deliberately bending the truth in his conversation to Jeff, but quitting the team isn't the same as being forced out due to injury and hospitalization. Nami's comment could refer to an injury to the MC, yes, but it could also simply refer to Summer's disappearance. Taken strictly at face value, the conversations suggest the MC decided to quit the basketball team after Summer's disappearence. He wouldn't have had a choice to quit with a collapsed lung.

If you look at the rough timeline of events, things don't always add up/fit well:

- Summer disappeared 5 years before the start of the game .
- Conversations suggest this likely happened when Nika was 13-14 years old - the first year at Tropics High School.
- Something happened to cause the MC to leave the HS basketball team half a year into the (first?) school year.
- AFTER Summer's disappearance, the MC continued High School. At first, he got picked on because he was the "weird kid". Later he got into fights trying to protect Nami from boys.
- Nothing so far suggests the MC didn't finish High School, which would be around 3.5-4 years after Summer's disappearance. He would be around 17 years old by then. It would be around 6-12 months before the start of the game.
- Something well after Summer's disappearance caused the MC to become so anti-social, he rarely left his bedroom/home. This behavior was going on for at least a year before the start of the game (MC didn't know Obama's Kebab closed down a year before). What happened to make the MC this way a year before the start of the game and not five years before, when Summer disappeared?

So, within a period of four years years at High School, there's also the matter of the MC's injuries from the "violent incident" resulting in a collapsed lung. This required hospitalization and would no doubt require rehabilitation (a year?), resulting in significant time off High School, assuming it happened while he was there.

All this depends, of course, on all characters telling the truth throughout the game...

For me, the "violent incident" that sent the MC to hospital could be:

1. something that happened at the time of Summer's disappearance, or
2. something that happened at High School "protecting" Nami (after Summer's disappearance)
 
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Turret said:
I too think that the reason Summer is gone is more criminal in nature than a simple "her family did not like Nika and moved away". Nika was seriously hurt that day (both lungs collapsed) and has a trauma from it. That does not hint at a mundane leaving of town.
It would also fit more with WIAB´s theme. Willi (or whatever we name him) Zane, the WIAB MC, returns to Wollust after years of absence because his mother was in an accident which left her mute from shock. But his father Dylan and even more so his sister Leia think the accident was no accident, but more an assasination attempt.
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rudy007 said:
Didn't forgot, but even now she's waaaay better then Mulder... today or ever...

But yes, I meant about Scully in her prime... 30 years ago...
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I think Gillian Anderson got better with age tbh. Her outing in American Gods. Oh god, I almost died. Love her.
 
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John972 said:
So, within a period of four years years at High School, there's also the matter of the MC's injuries from the "violent incident" resulting in a collapsed lung.
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The thing is, the "violent incident" resulted in BOTH lung wings collapsing (which is stated in game) among other injuries. We are talking here about major, lifethreatening traumata. It is far more likely the result of what happened when Summer went missing than the result of schoolyard fisticuffs, because some idiot looked the wrong way at Nami.
 
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