VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[Deleted member 327695]

It can be questionable... 20-25 beautiful girls/woman and only 10 LI's. Don't get me wrong, I like Ocean's work, but if make few realy good characters and "create" a soul for her, people get pissed when they aren't even lewdable...

LI = Gets an ending.
Many Non-LI's are still lewdable.

I can't care about people getting pissed. They'll always find a reason to get pissed.

Why bother to make this character. Use standard DAZ model and it's done (und fertig)... If say we, Nojiko would be "normal" character, nobody would give a fuck that she isn't a LI, but create her different and give her soul and don't meke her a LI, people get pissed. (you can add every girl you like on Nojiko's place)

Because no matter how irrelevant a character might be, they deserve my full attention when creating them.
I don't like it when a dev creates walking, unattractive hulls just because they're not the focus of the game.

There are tons of beautiful girls with amazing personalities in the world, but not every one of them is meant to play a role in your life.

Every single character that appears is part of the composition. Give them some life (soul), and make em somewhat pretty.
If you do create a lot of characters, do it right.

It adds immersion when even BG characters can add something to the eye and mind.


I get your point if this was a simple dating Sim where the only goal is to fuck everyone, but it isn't.

Seriously, Marla over Maja?

There is no "Marla over Maja", in the same way as there is no "Bella over Maja."

Maja's role in the game just isn't the one of an LI. (She's lewdable, but doesn't get a happily ever after ending with the MC.)
The MC isn't a blank hull that is compatible with every character beyond a fling/FWB.

And the most important variable is Victoria.
Maja would ALWAYS choose Victoria over the MC.

And it doesn't matter if the player likes Victoria or not.
Victoria likes the MC, and Victoria's feelings and well-being are what's important to Maja.


Marla's role doesn't come from being stunning on the outside. She isn't a classy porn trope "Milf."
She's what you'd find under the category "Mature".

And more important, looking good doesn't make you an LI.
The story behind the person determines if you get to be one.


And because I rewrite things in the BG (Future Chapters), there's always a small chance for a previous Non-LI to become one.
But the chance for some is extremely low.

I'm actively trying to zoom through Zara scenes because that "Monica Bellucci in her prime" model absolutely ruins my immersion. I just don't think using a real actors likeness is a good idea.

No character in the game is modeled after an RL person.

That would be a pain in the ass to do considering the limitations Daz has (and the High-Res Sculpt block on Zbrush if you're not a PA).

 

[rudy007]

LI = Gets an ending.
Many Non-LI's are still lewdable.

I can't care about people getting pissed. They'll always find a reason to get pissed.



Because no matter how irrelevant a character might be, they deserve my full attention when creating them.
I don't like it when a dev creates walking, unattractive hulls just because they're not the focus of the game.

There are tons of beautiful girls with amazing personalities in the world, but not every one of them is meant to play a role in your life.

Every single character that appears is part of the composition. Give them some life (soul), and make em somewhat pretty.
If you do create a lot of characters, do it right.

It adds immersion when even BG characters can add something to the eye and mind.


I get your point if this was a simple dating Sim where the only goal is to fuck everyone, but it isn't.



There is no "Marla over Maja", in the same way as there is no "Bella over Maja."

Maja's role in the game just isn't the one of an LI. (She's lewdable, but doesn't get a happily ever after ending with the MC.)
The MC isn't a blank hull that is compatible with every character beyond a fling/FWB.

And the most important variable is Victoria.
Maja would ALWAYS choose Victoria over the MC.

And it doesn't matter if the player likes Victoria or not.
Victoria likes the MC, and Victoria's feelings and well-being are what's important to Maja.


Marla's role doesn't come from being stunning on the outside. She isn't a classy porn trope "Milf."
She's what you'd find under the category "Mature".

And more important, looking good doesn't make you an LI.
The story behind the person determines if you get to be one.


And because I rewrite things in the BG (Future Chapters), there's always a small chance for a previous Non-LI to become one.
But the chance for some is extremely low.




No character in the game is modeled after an RL person.

That would be a pain in the ass to do considering the limitations Daz has (and the High-Res Sculpt block on Zbrush if you're not a PA).

Thx. You're right on some points. On other we have to agree to disagree. It's your game and you are in charge. You do good work. And I will continue to play it. You created bunch of unique characters here, but yeah, I don't know why but Nojiko impressed me the most. She's unique beautiful MILF.

 

[codex35]

It can be questionable... 20-25 beautiful girls/woman and only 10 LI's. Don't get me wrong, I like Ocean's work, but if make few realy good characters and "create" a soul for her, people get pissed when they aren't even lewdable... Why bother to make this character. Use standard DAZ model and it's done (und fertig)... If say we, Nojiko would be "normal" character, nobody would give a fuck that she isn't a LI, but create her different and give her soul and don't meke her a LI, people get pissed. (you can add every girl you like on Nojiko's place)
There is only one thing that's worse than make all female characters beautiful; don't make them at all and use black silhouettes (shadows) of other people in a scene.

I think these things make SG special

and don't forget this AVN has 1300+ patreon subs for 0 sex scene

this is evidence for Ocean's technique is working

 

[StingerWolf]

LI = Gets an ending.
Many Non-LI's are still lewdable.

I can't care about people getting pissed. They'll always find a reason to get pissed.



Because no matter how irrelevant a character might be, they deserve my full attention when creating them.
I don't like it when a dev creates walking, unattractive hulls just because they're not the focus of the game.

There are tons of beautiful girls with amazing personalities in the world, but not every one of them is meant to play a role in your life.

Every single character that appears is part of the composition. Give them some life (soul), and make em somewhat pretty.
If you do create a lot of characters, do it right.

It adds immersion when even BG characters can add something to the eye and mind.


I get your point if this was a simple dating Sim where the only goal is to fuck everyone, but it isn't.



There is no "Marla over Maja", in the same way as there is no "Bella over Maja."

Maja's role in the game just isn't the one of an LI. (She's lewdable, but doesn't get a happily ever after ending with the MC.)
The MC isn't a blank hull that is compatible with every character beyond a fling/FWB.

And the most important variable is Victoria.
Maja would ALWAYS choose Victoria over the MC.

And it doesn't matter if the player likes Victoria or not.
Victoria likes the MC, and Victoria's feelings and well-being are what's important to Maja.


Marla's role doesn't come from being stunning on the outside. She isn't a classy porn trope "Milf."
She's what you'd find under the category "Mature".

And more important, looking good doesn't make you an LI.
The story behind the person determines if you get to be one.


And because I rewrite things in the BG (Future Chapters), there's always a small chance for a previous Non-LI to become one.
But the chance for some is extremely low.




No character in the game is modeled after an RL person.

That would be a pain in the ass to do considering the limitations Daz has (and the High-Res Sculpt block on Zbrush if you're not a PA).

Thank you Ocean, your reply clearly shows, you are a person who has a complex deep personality and thoughts. Clear and concise answer, yes, it makes sense, both for Maja and Marla.
Nevertheless this creates a rather tragic ambiguity regarding Maja. You see, exactly her selfless trait regarding Victoria makes her a more than just a fling type of LI. A girl with such depth, with a such a caring personality for me is more than worhty to be a LI. I think exactly the opposite implementation would make more sense: she shouldn't be lewdable, but should have a not so happy ending, where she HAS to choose between her strong feelings towards the MC or her selfless attitude towards Victoria. She is really LI material from my perspective, exactly because of the possible inner conflict.

 

[Fun Shaundi]

Man, I'm just glad that we have a dev that actually bothers to pay attention attention to background characters, for a change.
There's so many gorgeous looking VNs that have awesome detailed and unique models among its main cast, then you see in the background 'npc's' with weird goblin expressions and cartoony proportions, clothes with questionable colours and textures and skin textures that make them look as if they were made of clay.

That's why in SG and WiAB I enjoy looking at renders where characters do something as simple as riding the bus or being at a bar, the attention to bg characters make the whole scenes more natural and visually attractive.

 

[rudy007]

I think these things make SG special

and don't forget this AVN has 1300+ patreon subs for 0 sex scene

this is evidence for Ocean's technique is working

That only proves that an AVN isn't only sex, sex, under any circumstances sex... Story and good believeble and credible characters can make a story much better. Findind the right time for sex is a science on his own. Little bit earlier is sometime better then being declared a blueball simulator... All we know is that this game is only at the end of first part (chapter 1 - 5), and with the full version of chapter 5 we are finished with rework and than we go fresh on new part of the game and only new content. It will shave few weeks of development time.

 

[DirtyMario]

No character in the game is modeled after an RL person.

That would be a pain in the ass to do considering the limitations Daz has (and the High-Res Sculpt block on Zbrush if you're not a PA).

Didn't say you did it on purpose. Maybe it just happened. Or maybe I'm just crazy, I'm not even sure.

Spoiler: Not a recent picture but she's fuckin 57 these days and still looks great

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[Fortuna ღ]

A bit of a breath of fresh air to have a developer that prioritizes quality over everything else. Some LIs aren't for people looking for quick sexual gratification, and some LIs aren't for people looking for a simple love story or a simple girl. This isn't a dating sim.

There are tons of beautiful girls in the world, especially in university settings where we're all clumped together. It's actually kind of realistic for there to be attractive background models(ok, maybe not every single character... I'm actually in favour of adding some blandness/ugliness for realism's sake lol) because, guys... and I hate to be the one to break it to all of you, but you won't be able to pursue every single girl that you find interesting or attractive. Attractive models do not = sex scenes or relationships at some point in the future. That's not how life works.

Just because someone's physically attractive, or great at sex... does not mean that a relationship will ever work. I feel like a lot of people are going to be very disappointed in the future when they realize that they won't be able to pursue anything meaningful with the characters that they'd hooked up with. This MC isn't a blank slate... he has his own personality, and that personality just isn't compatible with everyone(and they just may not be important enough for the story lol, there's also that)ღ

 

[TonyMo]

the secret trans - sonja imo

Yeah i think so too,mainly cuz of her reserved clothes

 

[Old Man Al]

... and I hate to be the one to break it to all of you, but you won't be able to pursue every single girl that you find interesting or attractive. ...

But...

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[pecard255]

It's July now. I just hope we get to see an update in the story at least before summer's gone.

 

[risky0]

Excuses, excuses. Everyone can make a thousand excuses about everything.
Marla is an LI, a handful of people are interested in her, but the fact that Maja, whose audience is much bigger than many LIs, is not an LI can only be explained by stubbornness.
Anyway, at least one thing's clear. Maja will never be a LI.
There's no point in discussing it any further.

 

[Cahmon]

Excuses, excuses. Everyone can make a thousand excuses about everything.
Marla is an LI, a handful of people are interested in her, but the fact that Maja, whose audience is much bigger than many LIs, is not an LI can only be explained by stubbornness.
Anyway, at least one thing's clear. Maja will never be a LI.
There's no point in discussing it any further.

Yeah Ocean will make Maja an LI. Not because it doesn't make sense to the story but because the audience wants it. That will make the game better, everyone knows that the best stories are the ones that just did whatever the audience wanted.

Anything else that the audience demands? Maybe they want MC to encourage Jeff and Nami to film an episode of BLACKED

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[Boehser Onkel]

Yeah Ocean will make Maja an LI. Not because it doesn't make sense to the story but because the audience wants it. That will make the game better, everyone knows that the best stories are the ones that just did whatever the audience wanted.

Anything else that the audience demands? Maybe they want MC to encourage Jeff and Nami to film an episode of BLACKED

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[anonnyscouse]

Thank you Ocean, your reply clearly shows, you are a person who has a complex deep personality and thoughts. Clear and concise answer, yes, it makes sense, both for Maja and Marla.
Nevertheless this creates a rather tragic ambiguity regarding Maja. You see, exactly her selfless trait regarding Victoria makes her a more than just a fling type of LI. A girl with such depth, with a such a caring personality for me is more than worhty to be a LI. I think exactly the opposite implementation would make more sense: she shouldn't be lewdable, but should have a not so happy ending, where she HAS to choose between her strong feelings towards the MC or her selfless attitude towards Victoria. She is really LI material from my perspective, exactly because of the possible inner conflict.

That's the point, Maja would have to choose between MC and Victoria, and it's set in Ocean's mind that Maja would choose Victoria, so she may give into temptation with her attraction to the MC (hence she is lewdable) but then when it comes to having a full relationship with MC but losing her closeness with Victoria then Maja would always choose Victoria. The only thing that confuses me is that the patch changes Vic and Maja from friends to sisters, I thought that was to potentially set up a throuple but obviously not, so I'm wondering if Maja and Vic become an item by the end if MC chooses a different LI than Vic, maybe it only happens if MC and Nami end up together as that incestuous pairing (in the patched version) inspires Maja and Vic to accept their incestuous (in the patched version) feelings for each other.

I have no feelings either way over Marla being an LI, I have no interest in her personally. But I would say that this shows how devs can't win sometimes, on one hand Ocean is being criticised for making every character too good looking, and then on the other hand he's being criticised for having an LI who is not as good looking as non-LIs.

 

[Paynne]

Yeah Ocean will make Maja an LI. Not because it doesn't make sense to the story but because the audience wants it. That will make the game better, everyone knows that the best stories are the ones that just did whatever the audience wanted.

Anything else that the audience demands? Maybe they want MC to encourage Jeff and Nami to film an episode of BLACKED

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Damn I didn't need to see that, my fault for opening that spoiler

 

[StingerWolf]

That's the point, Maja would have to choose between MC and Victoria, and it's set in Ocean's mind that Maja would choose Victoria, so she may give into temptation with her attraction to the MC (hence she is lewdable) but then when it comes to having a full relationship with MC but losing her closeness with Victoria then Maja would always choose Victoria. The only thing that confuses me is that the patch changes Vic and Maja from friends to sisters, I thought that was to potentially set up a throuple but obviously not, so I'm wondering if Maja and Vic become an item by the end if MC chooses a different LI than Vic, maybe it only happens if MC and Nami end up together as that incestuous pairing (in the patched version) inspires Maja and Vic to accept their incestuous (in the patched version) feelings for each other.

I have no feelings either way over Marla being an LI, I have no interest in her personally. But I would say that this shows how devs can't win sometimes, on one hand Ocean is being criticised for making every character too good looking, and then on the other hand he's being criticised for having an LI who is not as good looking as non-LIs.

Seriously, he is really being criticized for making models too appealing to one's eye??? People are just tards. I am really happy that there are creations, where one sees beautiful people and not those wokeified intentionally ugly character models like in todays western AAA games. I really cherish the artistic beauty of this game. There are many good games like this one, still the visuals and presentation in this one, are one of a kind. When playing I get so immersed in the visual setting, I almost forget that I am watching it through a monitor. No other VN is capable of this.

 

[yossa999]

Yeah Ocean will make Maja an LI. Not because it doesn't make sense to the story but because the audience wants it. That will make the game better, everyone knows that the best stories are the ones that just did whatever the audience wanted.

Anything else that the audience demands? Maybe they want MC to encourage Jeff and Nami to film an episode of BLACKED

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Fuck yeah! And don't forget to add ntr, whatever that shit means to those who ask for it. Steam wants ntr, this topic is the most popular of the SG discussion threads there. How's one dude there said "with ntr it would be the Crème de la Crème, pls pls daddy Ocean". I hope your post should be read with the "sarcasm.jpg" picture in mind, right? R-right?

I think the only thing that can ruin this game for me is if Dev starts to follow someone else's wishes, adding random things to the game instead of realizing his original author's intent. I really like Maja, probably the best girl in my book, but I want to hear her story from the author and not from anyone else. Sorry, guys, but not sorry. Make your own fanfic with blackjack and hookers after all.

 

[StingerWolf]

Fuck yeah! And don't forget to add ntr, whatever that shit means to those who ask for it. Steam wants ntr, this topic is the most popular of the SG discussion threads there. How's one dude there said "with ntr it would be the Crème de la Crème, pls pls daddy Ocean". I hope your post should be read with the "sarcasm.jpg" picture in mind, right? R-right?

I think the only thing that can ruin this game for me is if Dev starts to follow someone else's wishes, adding random things to the game instead of realizing his original author's intent. I really like Maja, probably the best girl in my book, but I want to hear her story from the author and not from anyone else. Sorry, guys, but not sorry. Make your own fanfic with blackjack and hookers after all.

Good thoughts. Yes, Maja is one of the most special girls in this game. (I consider her way above Sasha, Nancy, Robin or even Zara whatever) But I respect Ocean's opinion, thanks to his post voicing it in a very clear concise manner.

 

[Alexanderson037500aa]

Yeah Ocean will make Maja an LI. Not because it doesn't make sense to the story but because the audience wants it. That will make the game better, everyone knows that the best stories are the ones that just did whatever the audience wanted.

Anything else that the audience demands? Maybe they want MC to encourage Jeff and Nami to film an episode of BLACKED

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Are you trying to provoke our dear neighborhood skeleton?

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