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ProxyGist

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Ocean makes bad decisions before every release. I think he's in a creative stalemate in general or does it on purpose by stretching out the release. Anyone knows that a 30 chapter figure sounds fantastic.
1) The decision to do 4k renders is the same weird decision at 60fps animation level in BAD. Needless to say we won't get that quality, it just won't be there, it will be upscaled 1080p. Not all СPUs will be able to output this if you don't have enough cores ( not all CPU's have hardware support for 4k decoding). But now it will take much longer to produce a single render.
Waiting for Ocean to whine again about how he needs to buy a new graphics card or his vision will be limited.
2) Switching to Blender completely is a step forward, but isn't this just another ploy? Blender is a good 3d package, but this program has its own limitation on polygons. You won't be able to create a render with 2 or 3 million polygons, and considering Ocean can't do optimization, are we waiting for Ocean's new post about switching to Maya, Unreal engine or something else?
Why learn Substance Painter? Ocean, do you even know what it is and how it works? Do you know you have to UV mapping before baking? Modellers do UV mapping for a few hours before baking in Substance Painter, is that what you're gonna do? Or maybe you are lying?
3) Everything you're talking about are 30 chapters, Blender, Substance Painter, AE, can only be realized if he hire a team. But this is not very believable considering that judging by Ocean's patreon he doesn't earn much, that he takes loans for a new video card and spends all his free money on music. And how will Ocean be able to attract professional 3d artists? How's he gonna pay for their work? Maybe he wants them to work for free? Or maybe he has a plan to increase his income in the short term? The question is rhetorical.
I get the distinct impression that Ocean lives in a dream world, and is adrift. He has no business plan, no clear understanding of the future of the game. He makes the game, he makes it long, he gets paid well, and he can make any excuse for delays in the future. Ask yourself this question: what has been true about what he has said over the last few years? This guy has no work ethic.
I get angry when DPC is compared to Ocean. He makes odd choices too, but I see what he wants, I see his plan and long term strategy. I can predict his moves. But Ocean has none of that. He just promises and that's it.
Sorry to get emotional.
 

Doomyk

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Jun 7, 2019
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A very interesting scene in the book club. Just a snake aquarium. Najiko and Amber now looks a little different. Najiko seems to be hiding a lot and is not at all an ordinary person. And as for Amber, many were surprised that she does not notice Holgerson’s disguise. Now it seems to me that she sees and knows much more than we can imagine and plays her own game. I wouldn’t be surprised if she herself leaves information for Bella (about therapy sessions), exactly as much as she needs. Even more interesting is the dialogue between Najiko and Katie. I think this is the key point why Najiko didn’t want Nika to be here. But it’s too early to assume anything. On the other hand, it is finally confirmed that both Willy and Leya are alive.
 
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Don't get me wrong I very much understand people's frustrations with the pace of development because this vn will clearly never even be close to finished(would literally take 30+ years at this pace) but after a certain point it's time to either accept it for what it is or just drop it.

There's no point coming to a thread for fans of the game and shitting on it just to fight. Ocean's never going to change or acknowledge the fact that his development goals are unrealistic so might as well spare yourself the frustration.
 

Cipherdragon

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Aug 3, 2019
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It's the main reason I play it. That's my favourite type of VN on here. Guess I'm just a sap that way. ;)
I really like it this way too, to be honest. Finally a VN that is not just mindless with a good and intriguing story. Of course it's annoying that there are no sex scenes so far, but let's be honest, if that's the only reason you're here, just play something else.
 
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Ocean makes bad decisions before every release. I think he's in a creative stalemate in general or does it on purpose by stretching out the release. Anyone knows that a 30 chapter figure sounds fantastic.
1) The decision to do 4k renders is the same weird decision at 60fps animation level in BAD. Needless to say we won't get that quality, it just won't be there, it will be upscaled 1080p. Not all СPUs will be able to output this if you don't have enough cores ( not all CPU's have hardware support for 4k decoding). But now it will take much longer to produce a single render.
Waiting for Ocean to whine again about how he needs to buy a new graphics card or his vision will be limited.
2) Switching to Blender completely is a step forward, but isn't this just another ploy? Blender is a good 3d package, but this program has its own limitation on polygons. You won't be able to create a render with 2 or 3 million polygons, and considering Ocean can't do optimization, are we waiting for Ocean's new post about switching to Maya, Unreal engine or something else?
Why learn Substance Painter? Ocean, do you even know what it is and how it works? Do you know you have to UV mapping before baking? Modellers do UV mapping for a few hours before baking in Substance Painter, is that what you're gonna do? Or maybe you are lying?
3) Everything you're talking about are 30 chapters, Blender, Substance Painter, AE, can only be realized if he hire a team. But this is not very believable considering that judging by Ocean's patreon he doesn't earn much, that he takes loans for a new video card and spends all his free money on music. And how will Ocean be able to attract professional 3d artists? How's he gonna pay for their work? Maybe he wants them to work for free? Or maybe he has a plan to increase his income in the short term? The question is rhetorical.
I get the distinct impression that Ocean lives in a dream world, and is adrift. He has no business plan, no clear understanding of the future of the game. He makes the game, he makes it long, he gets paid well, and he can make any excuse for delays in the future. Ask yourself this question: what has been true about what he has said over the last few years? This guy has no work ethic.
I get angry when DPC is compared to Ocean. He makes odd choices too, but I see what he wants, I see his plan and long term strategy. I can predict his moves. But Ocean has none of that. He just promises and that's it.
Sorry to get emotional.
Eh I'm no longer foolish enough to pay for unfinished AVNs or games anymore so I can't really complain. I'll probably be dead before it's finished anyway, with the big assumption that it is. Usually things with this level of ambition (the crap like unnecessary 4k60 is part of the cause of annual updates) but 1 man doing it tend to get abandoned. It's why I'm always surprised every year when it's updated. 99% of people other than the few hardcore fans tend to forget what it's even about after a year and forget it even exists after 3-5, and after that point most devs get sick of working on it and want to move on to something else by then anyway, even if it means abandoning it or giving it a rushed ending.
 

Ali ibn Hassan

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Dec 19, 2019
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What's up, Doc?

Nice to finally be able to read what an MD's written

I believe the medication could even increase his erectile disorder

It kind of annoys me how much reverse dramatic irony is happening. Nothing infuriates me more in an AVN than when the character knows something integral to the story that we the player do not know. How the fuck am I supposed to make a decision to commit to Nami when there is some serious weird trauma in middleschool/highschool between MC and Nami that is alluded to that we don't know about? It just annoys me because now I'll have to play through til the next therapy episode and then replay season 1 to theoretically reject Nami if we find out it was something egregious she did.
It really annoys me to have to agree.

It's like in a whodoneit mystery novel where a major hidden clue is sprung at the end by the Sherlocky old lady and yourself have to reread half the volume twice to find it.
 
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codex35

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give this game 1 star.... Idk man I think this is unfair :cautious:

SG have best renders and cinematics in VN industry at least respect for this reality (n)
 

PaxHadrian17

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Probably...but at least I can get the foundation correct and fix any bugs in either the VN or patch like last beta...save time in the end for "Full". I don't have contact with this particular dev team so I'm not even sure all the bugs I fixed in 4.5Full are fixed in this update yet (still DL'ing the VN).
Sancho,

Thanks for being one of the unsung heroes who helps the rest of us to get more enjoyment out of so many AVNs.

Cheers!! :coffee:
 
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