Fortuna ღ

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"There is no worse blind man than the one who doesn’t want to see."

I have no issue with your other points. You are right. And I personally have never criticized Ocean for his dev cycle, coding, artistic or animation skills.

That said his creative choices are seriously questionable. And you cannot tell me you don't notice how he's been shooting himself in the foot consistently every time he goes back and reworks scenes and dialogues. You cannot tell me you haven't noticed the monumental drop in quality of the game. Take the damn Nami scenes for example. Specifically the post argument when Nojiko finally tells her about Nick and the bathroom scene. Two perfect examples of the incredible highs and massive lows the game currently offers:

- In one you have a deeply emotional and beautiful scene where her nudity seems to make sense. She is staring out the window clearly hurt when the MC walks in and she takes off her clothes in an attempt to make herself vulnerable and exposed while forcing the MC to confront (and hold) her in that state. It's subtle, emotional and the dialogue is strong which makes it memorable.

- Then you have that awful, vomit enducing bathroom scene, which was changed for the worse from the original one, if you choose to stay. That abomination that seems to have been added as nothing but an excuse to "lewdify" the game at the expense of the characters and story. Same thing he did with the new Nojiko porch scene that seems ham-fisted in so he could get us a few cleavage shots of Nojiko, once again at the expense of the characters and story. Need I go further? Can you honestly tell me you like the new Bella fight scene over her sisters picture in the bedroom? Compared to the emotional height the old one reached?

Need I remind you that Ocean could have simply updated the renders and kept the script and scenes as they were? He made a conscious effort to change them. Now we all have our own preferences and taste but if you approach this from an unbiased and imparcial angle, can you seriously tell me that you think the game is stronger now than it was then? I know I'm not the one taking crazy pills. There have been hundreds of people, in this very thread, pointing out the massive decline of the game for years now in terms of story and dialogue especially. You can't dismiss us all as haters...
I agree with everything you wrote here. As a writer, I noticed many tonal changes since this rework began. This game has many flaws. Creatively, the overall tone of the game resonated more with me pre-rework. The emotions were more raw, and the scenes struck you more deeply than they do now. Yes, I do notice the constant sexualization of characters in scenes that just don't fit. When Nojiko spoke to MC on the porch in the reworked version of Chapter 1, that scene was needlessly sexualized. It just felt... off, especially since Nojiko is supposed to be a parental figure to the MC(like an actual, realistic parental figure, not the AVN version of a parental figure). The audience doesn't need an underwear shot or a closeup of a character's cleavage every time to remind them that they're playing an adult game. That's one thing that I'll always disagree with. I understand that this is an adult game that will feature a lot of lewd content in the future, but, for goodness' sake, make it feel natural. Keep these actions consistent with the character and the story. As a writer, your goal should be to ensure that your scenes feel and sound natural. Let the actions of your characters occur naturally in the story. I'm not blind to any of these flaws. I'm just waiting until the entire rework's done before I leave an entirely objective review of this season.

I'm not saying that you guys shouldn't post your opinions. I'm saying that when you post them, you don't have to be rude about itღ
 

Sancho1969

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Oceanlab - Hey bud, back in the last update when you took out the MC's "Dark" variable and reworked the Vic convo (Dolphins) after Maja talks the MC into coming to visit her, there was an old menu choice (no longer available) that awarded a possible "toldvicitheyrehot".

Since that variable can no longer be True, you still have code in the VN that looks for it via a conditional... in other words the Player will never ever see any of this so you might as well remove it, but note that the Bella Relp also can never be awarded either:
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I'll try to point out the other obsolete code too as there's certainly more I've run across so far...
 

Cabin Fever

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I dare anyone to find another game that has 1300+ posts... the very def95inition of jealousy. keep up the excellent work Oceans and let the haters hate
Oh you newbie, dare accepted.

You've never heard of BADIK have you? It was at 1300+ pages of posts after only 7 months of launching and currently it's marching toward 13000 pages, nearly 10x this thread.

So what do you lose with your dare?
 

PaxHadrian17

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Thank u god sir!


LOL! Exactly my thoughts! The protagonist is simply an immature schoolboy wannabe nihilist against the system. This is quite realistic, since I saw a lot of kids who wanted to be DIFFERENT. But that's precisely why it is impossible for me to take all this feigned tragedy seriously.
Yup - feigned tragedy...

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These images cannot be avoided, but they can be skipped by someone who does not bother to pay attention, for example.

Two collapsed lungs sound dangerous to me - a Bit more than 'feigned tragedy.'

Add in losing both of your parents at an early age and whatever happened to Summer...

I'd call this some heavy duty tragedy to overcome and this is the origin of the MC we start with.

If, in the end, this is not tragic enough for you - you probably need to go find something else on F95 - and good luck finding a tag for that.

Cheers!! :coffee:
 

RNasc4444

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I'm not saying that you guys shouldn't post your opinions. I'm saying that when you post them, you don't have to be rude about itღ
Fair enough. I for one am done with shitting on Ocean. I don't hate the guy and I certainly don't hate the game. It's just frustrating to see what it was and what it has become.

Thank you for your reply. Honestly. It's refreshing to see at least one Ocean fan that doesn't just blindly cheer and clap after being served a big plate of "meh".

Now I'm just hoping Ocean reads all this crap and takes at least some of the feedback and criticism to heart. Can't wait for him to start producing only new content instead of butchering the best parts of the old stuff.
 

Sancho1969

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Dollars to doughnuts this woman could make one helluva bowl of yakisoba...just sayin'
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Ottoeight

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Well, guys, something doesn't make sense to me about this latest update:

In my gameplay, Nika doesn't help Bella in trashing Holgersons' house, therefore Mila tells my Nika that her parents took her money (instead of telling Nika that the Holgersons accused her), BUT later in chapter 5 Bella tells Nika (when she tells him that Holgerson wants to talk to her) that they accused Mila and she fears that Mila might finger her.

How is it possible? how can it be?
 
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shamtiiomi

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maybe some mastermind can theory rafting a geanology tree ,or a who is who type of sheet for us the common ppl?
 

RNasc4444

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maybe some mastermind can theory rafting a geanology tree ,or a who is who type of sheet for us the common ppl?

Not sure if anyone is still updating this but maybe it can be helpful. I don't play Ocean's other game so it helped me figure out some connections.
 

66551

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I really wanna like the game, because it's one of the first vn i played, but damn it's hard.

Story makes no sense. Mc trying to manipulate everyone at the lecture club, to get some form of power over a group of middle aged women is stupid at best.

Plot is going nowhere, if there is even a plot to this stuff.
 

PeopleCallMeSmile

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What are your theories about that reading book club, bcs that was hella sketchy: Najiko is poor and know that many famous and infuenced people. Kinda sus.
Nika and Nami gotta be William's unrecognized children, or some other Zane, but they're deffinitely related to Katie and maybe Sasha; that would explain the lack of Ayua content and why Sasha and Nami have Leiah's earrings.

And this is only me, but where do the names Nami and Nika come from? Who named them? I mean, I know english language has some german origin and that would explain some names but what about Nami and Nika? Are they popular in Germany or something?
 
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