VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[Ayhsel]

I don't see any reason why Ocean wouldn't ruin the logic of i-patch with some crazy plot twist in the future. So yeah, they are roommates until proven otherwise.
Why Nami is red? Because she's red herring!
EDIT: Damn, come to think of it, MC already said this in the old Ch.2 "You're an annoying red fish.. but please never change."

To be fair, anything can happen.

Regardless of anything, as I said, they are siblings in all but blood.

Might want to use inline spoilers for Bella's info...

 

[yossa999]

To be fair, anything can happen.

Regardless of anything, as I said, they are siblings in all but blood.

Might want to use inline spoilers for Bella's info...

Yup, forgot of spoilers, thanks.
I've been on both sides of the siblings vs. roommates fight. No more! It's Ocean's problem how to define N&N relationships, I just enjoy the show

 

[sorco2003]

Depends on your definition of what constitutes incest.

Indeed, Nojiko is adoptive mother of MC and Nami.

Officially speaking, MC and Nami are NOT blood related.

Blood related Incest patch is fanmade.

Regardless of that, they do have a brother-sister relationship. They are raised together since very young age by the same mother (even if adoptive). For many this is not incest, for me blood related is almost irrelevant here.

So.. yes. The story features (officially) non-blood brother-sister incest.

Officially speaking, that is the case. And we all believe the official story, right?
...
RIGHT?!?!?

Of course we believe the official version (not).
Anyway, the few of us who still hold the original vision, are left with no endorsements for that (apart from the fact that the patch very curiously comes out just with each up date without delay, as if they were both uploaded from the same pc) because when it comes out on Steam and it comes out without a blood relation, then the reason "because patreon bans it" will die.

 

[Ayhsel]

Yup, forgot of spoilers, thanks.
I've been on both sides of the siblings vs. roommates fight. No more! It's Ocean's problem how to define N&N relationships, I just enjoy the show

If you ask me, the only difference in blood vs non-blood incest lies in pregnancy taboo. That is, the increase likelihood of genetic anomalies in blood related pregnancies. So, there is additional taboo in creampieing a blood related because of that. A way to confirm this is that perfect birth control essentially kills this taboo in my opinion. Or even better, think of a blood related but infertile incest.

All other relationship taboo remains. That is, the negative perception of society, the uncomfortable change in perception of the two committing incest, the conflicting desire between what is right and what is feeling.

In the end, incest taboo is hot for being forbidden. Kill this and you kill the taboo. So blood related is just more forbidden for child risk.

Further decomposing, succesful incest tabboo requires both
1) probabilty of getting caught sufficiently high
2) cost of getting caught sufficiently high.

That is why "harem incest family" is for me ridiculous and pointless. You kill the hot element of incest by making everyone accept your relationship. If not everyone, the people you most likely care the most.

 

[Bombmaster]

If you ask me, the only difference in blood vs non-blood incest lies in pregnancy taboo. That is, the increase likelihood of genetic anomalies in blood related pregnancies. So, there is additional taboo in creampieing a blood related because of that. A way to confirm this is that perfect birth control essentially kills this taboo in my opinion. Or even better, think of a blood related but infertile incest.

All other relationship taboo remains. That is, the negative perception of society, the uncomfortable change in perception of the two committing incest, the conflicting desire between what is right and what is feeling.

In the end, incest taboo is hot for being forbidden. Kill this and you kill the taboo. So blood related is just more forbidden for child risk.

Further decomposing, succesful incest tabboo requires both
1) probabilty of getting caught sufficiently high
2) cost of getting caught sufficiently high.

That is why "harem incest family" is for me ridiculous and pointless. You kill the hot element of incest by making everyone accept your relationship. If not everyone, the people you most likely care the most.

This. And the story is structured in a way a person can take his own conclusions about Nika/Nami relationship and to go further, about their relationship is the potential to nuclear fallout if their leap of faith ends badly.

Without stakes perceived incest sucks.

 

[DirtyMario]

Everyone else (Summer included, should that creature ever return) has been completely discarded.

I actually really really dislike story tropes like that. This Sword of Damocles hanging over your head at all times.
Didn't like it in Leap of Faith either and I am sure there are more where this is a thing.
Let's make you hang out with and get used to and fall in love with these (4-8) nice girls for hours and once you start making up your mind let's bring the canonical "real love" of the MC back. Doesn't matter that you have no connection to that person whatsoever, the MC has and we'll make you feel real bad for not choosing her. Gosh I hate it.

It's like:
1) you ask a girl out,
2) she tell you she only likes you as a friend
3) you tell her, "sure we are going as friends"
4) you call her a bitch because she didn't put out during the night.
Seriously, what were you expecting to happen? "oh no daddy, i was simply playing hard to catch, make me yours with your magical dick!" mmm

I happen to know some really good looking girls that are active on Instagram/Tiktok (I know, crazy right?) and let me tell you there is a massive amount of guys that somehow think like that.
The sheer number of "conversations" in their DMs that go like:

Hi!

Hey!

Hello!

Hi!

Hello!

Hey!

You fucking whore you're ugly anyway

is absolutely staggering.

 

[Lurcher1]

Just had a Kelly v Nia faceoff. Talk about Angels V Devils

Also, had a Nia V Jenna faceoff. Wondering if there's a slight resemblance there...?

 

[Mortarion]

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[Ayhsel]

Just had a Kelly v Nia faceoff. Talk about Angels V Devils

I know what you meant to say. But honestly there is no way you can convince me Kelly is thr angel and Nia the devil.

Nia is cute, playful, looking for friends.

Instead, I am afraid Kelly will have a religious breakdown and try to kill everyone, while calling to jesus.

That bitch scares me and not in a fun way.

 

[Zaraa]

Bella started to dominate

 

[JJ1960]

I know what you meant to say. But honestly there is no way you can convince me Kelly is thr angel and Nia the devil.

Nia is cute, playful, looking for friends.

Instead, I am afraid Kelly will have a religious breakdown and try to kill everyone, while calling to jesus.

That bitch scares me and not in a fun way.

I think Kelly's religious breakdown will just be her yelling "Oh, God! Oh, God!" over and over as Nika's reinvigorated dong rails her.

 

[alanrock]

Bella started to dominate

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Queen Bella to rule them all, it's perfectly normal.

 

[Ottoeight]

I think Kelly's religious breakdown will just be her yelling "Oh, God! Oh, God!" over and over as Nika's reinvigorated dong rails her.

Dream on.

 

[RNasc4444]

I actually really really dislike story tropes like that. This Sword of Damocles hanging over your head at all times.
Didn't like it in Leap of Faith either and I am sure there are more where this is a thing.
Let's make you hang out with and get used to and fall in love with these (4-8) nice girls for hours and once you start making up your mind let's bring the canonical "real love" of the MC back. Doesn't matter that you have no connection to that person whatsoever, the MC has and we'll make you feel real bad for not choosing her. Gosh I hate it.

I have a very similar opinion.

I get some people want the drama of such an impactful character returning but I couldn't disagree more. I don't know what Oceans story plans are but I do know that it is gonna be incredibly hard to bring Summer back without it damaging the narrative irreversibly. If her disappearance is the source of all of the MC's struggles, her return will only serve as a quick fix that will inevitably render the entire journey to wellness, meaningless.

For the sake of the story, Summer should stay missing or dead. Of course we all know she is coming back one way or the other so I'll just get ready for disappointment.

 

[Bombmaster]

I have a very similar opinion.

I get some people want the drama of such an impactful character returning but I couldn't disagree more. I don't know what Oceans story plans are but I do know that it is gonna be incredibly hard to bring Summer back without it damaging the narrative irreversibly. If her disappearance is the source of all of the MC's struggles, her return will only serve as a quick fix that will inevitably render the entire journey to wellness, meaningless.

For the sake of the story, Summer should stay missing or dead. Of course we all know she is coming back one way or the other so I'll just get ready for disappointment.

Preach maybe she can return, dead to bring some drama and mourning. If Ocean pulls a keyser soze would kill the vibe

 

[Lurcher1]

I know what you meant to say. But honestly there is no way you can convince me Kelly is thr angel and Nia the devil.

Nia is cute, playful, looking for friends.

Instead, I am afraid Kelly will have a religious breakdown and try to kill everyone, while calling to jesus.

That bitch scares me and not in a fun way.

Kelly's devious but naive. And she's ended up near the top of my list after several runs of this... Hopefully, well see more of her. She definitely likes the look of Nika judging from her facial reactions when stood behind Nami trying to convince Nika she'll get him out of there. He'll be featuring in a lot of her secret breeding fantasies

Bella got knocked out quite early on in all my cases. Unfortunately for her, some serious competition showed up early

 

[crabsinthekitchen]

I actually really really dislike story tropes like that. This Sword of Damocles hanging over your head at all times.
Didn't like it in Leap of Faith either and I am sure there are more where this is a thing.
Let's make you hang out with and get used to and fall in love with these (4-8) nice girls for hours and once you start making up your mind let's bring the canonical "real love" of the MC back. Doesn't matter that you have no connection to that person whatsoever, the MC has and we'll make you feel real bad for not choosing her. Gosh I hate it.

I happen to know some really good looking girls that are active on Instagram/Tiktok (I know, crazy right?) and let me tell you there is a massive amount of guys that somehow think like that.
The sheer number of "conversations" in their DMs that go like:

is absolutely staggering.

fall in love? it's been like one week in college

 

[Ayhsel]

Kelly's devious but naive. And she's ended up near the top of my list after several runs of this... Hopefully, well see more of her. She definitely likes the look of Nika judging from her facial reactions when stood behind Nami trying to convince Nika she'll get him out of there. He'll be featuring in a lot of her secret breeding fantasies

Wait until she start the killing spree under the "jesus made me do it"

Bella got knocked out quite early on in all my cases. Unfortunately for her, some serious competition showed up early

Unless that competition was also Bella, this is nonsense!

 

[Ayhsel]

fall in love? it's been like one week in college

Mmm i was in love with Bella even before she called an ugly hobo!

 

[DirtyMario]

fall in love? it's been like one week in college
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And it's been just a few hours of gameplay but you know what I mean
I just dislike the bait & switch.

EDIT: Oh yeah I remembered one more. BaDik did that too with Zoey.