VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[Hahn1900]

I would disagree with that statement when it comes to dual Steam/Patreon-SS AVNs.

The common trend now is that a bunch of sequential Chapters get released first on Patreon-SS and then bundled into a Season for Steam release. I expect that the Chapters of SG Season 2 will be published on Patreon-SS first. Once five or so Chapters are complete, they'll be bundled into Season 2 and that will be released on Steam first.

What Ocean is doing is no different to many other AVN devs, and I can name several Steam AVNs (also originally popular here as Patreon/SS releases) that work exactly the same way.

Ok lets phrase it differently, cause thats not was i wanted to say... i could have sworn that i wrote these words into the post, but must have slipped...

i meant to say "its not common around here to release games in seasons" or in other words... most games around here simply dont have seasons. Its a rarity that games consist of several seasons on F95 and so they are not released in seasons on steam or elsewhere too of course, there are not that many games with multiple seasons (that i wrote so yeah... just two words were missing, sorry for that). That was the thing i was pointing at... or tried too, just... written not correctly.

 

[BobTheDuck]

i don't know what % i am in lewds and story. for the most part lewds in a AVN would make no sense without story, if i just want lewds then i just watch porn. but in a AVN the story is first and foremost and then add the lewds but only if they make sense for the story and characters. i would imagine that is what ocean is doing building story and character relationships up before he adds lewds for the lewds to make sense and for other characters the lewds probaly will never come because it will make no sense for the story.

I would hit a like, but I've hit my reaction limit today, every now and then I get one back, and bam, someone posts something I like

This is exactly the thing. Lewd scenes onlr really have any excitement the first time you see them in a story, because it a surprise. Generic male DAZ penis looks as bad as saying "GM DAZ PP" aloud sounds. It either looks like a bratwurst, or like a woodwork experiemnt witha broom handle or something that should be rushed to a doctor to be treatedfor cancer. The average DAZ PP is very very unerotic. The breasts we've seen, some are more some less erotic once we see nipples, based on preferences. In general the vaginas look slightly better than the pp's but the look more like an alien lifeform waiting to be fed bratwurst.

I can honestly say the only erotic thing about any DAZ lewd scene is the characters and why they're getting intimate. Without that, it's just varying render qualities, and imagininative angles. As you say, porn at least gets lewd right.

On the whole I prefer AVN's because they are erotic, and eroticism isn't limited to lewdness.

It's the same thing with any game. And endless shooter loses appeal, a dungeon crawler with no goal other than survival is a niche appeal. Most people are turned on by the narrative, which is why even porn tries to have stories. And this is why I believe SG is an adult novel, because the way the characters interact actual feels far more natural than the usual "I love the taste of your pp!" "Oh you fill me up so good!" If Ocean writes either of those phrases unironically, I'll probably projective vomit when that happens!

 

[Massagecook01]

I would hit a like, but I've hit my reaction limit today, every now and then I get one back, and bam, someone posts something I like

This is exactly the thing. Lewd scenes onlr really have any excitement the first time you see them in a story, because it a surprise. Generic male DAZ penis looks as bad as saying "GM DAZ PP" aloud sounds. It either looks like a bratwurst, or like a woodwork experiemnt witha broom handle or something that should be rushed to a doctor to be treatedfor cancer. The average DAZ PP is very very unerotic. The breasts we've seen, some are more some less erotic once we see nipples, based on preferences. In general the vaginas look slightly better than the pp's but the look more like an alien lifeform waiting to be fed bratwurst.

I can honestly say the only erotic thing about any DAZ lewd scene is the characters and why they're getting intimate. Without that, it's just varying render qualities, and imagininative angles. As you say, porn at least gets lewd right.

On the whole I prefer AVN's because they are erotic, and eroticism isn't limited to lewdness.

It's the same thing with any game. And endless shooter loses appeal, a dungeon crawler with no goal other than survival is a niche appeal. Most people are turned on by the narrative, which is why even porn tries to have stories. And this is why I believe SG is an adult novel, because the way the characters interact actual feels far more natural than the usual "I love the taste of your pp!" "Oh you fill me up so good!" If Ocean writes either of those phrases unironically, I'll probably projective vomit when that happens!

i have found myself even getting emotional in some adult games because of the characters realtionship dyamtic, being asking them to marry you or the MC getting hurt and the female characters coming to his add or whatever and thats not lewd one bit but feelings and those adult games hold more sway with me than the erotic aspect on other adult games can ever have.

 

[John972]

good point, do you think summers gone would be as popular with F95zone wasn't around at all ? i think this website has given ocean a fan base that patreon alone could not give him which is why so many AVN game developers are here to promote their games. and this website is mostly if not all AVNs that has porn in it. to take away porn from your game is biting the hand that feeds you, i would like to know if every fan of summers gone will still play it if there would never at any time going be any sex scenes with any of the women. it's the hope to see those scenes in the coming future that they still support but they have to realize thats a far away thing judging by what we have already seen these 5 years we might see a handjob or blowjob in a year maybe. but as you say they are not here for any kind of porn but here only for story.

The AVN dev community is like a pyramid - many at the bottom and a few quite successful ones at the top. They mostly share one thing in common - Patreon and the likes of F95 gave them a leg up when they started out.

With Ocean's two games - WIAB has had sexy times from the very beginning. Meanwhile, the slow-burn disclaimer has existed in SG from almost the beginning. Throwing a few titties and arses in SG now and a again has simply been throwing Patreons and supporters a bone in the meantime. It's been made clear for many years that SG will have quite a build-up before the sexy-time pay-off. Nothing about that has changed just because of the Steam release and the removal of a few titties and arse renders.

Ok lets phrase it differently, cause thats not was i wanted to say... i could have sworn that i wrote these words into the post, but must have slipped...

i meant to say "its not common around here to release games in seasons" or in other words... most games around here simply dont have seasons. Its a rarity that games consist of several seasons on F95 and so they are not released in seasons on steam or elsewhere too of course, there are not that many games with multiple seasons (that i wrote so yeah... just two words were missing, sorry for that). That was the thing i was pointing at... or tried too, just... written not correctly.

Yeah, I know what you're saying. Seasons really only became a thing after games we know from here hit Steam.

 

[John972]

...than the usual "I love the taste of your pp!" "Oh you fill me up so good!" If Ocean writes either of those phrases unironically, I'll probably projective vomit when that happens!

The Dev of another popular AVN here on F95 recently released a short April Fool's Day parody version of his game, mockingly set in a similar environment to one of the biggest AVNs around. In the parody, the dev used the "I love the taste of your pp!" / "Oh you fill me up so good!"-type tropes ironically, and it was a hoot!

I will buy a plane ticket and go storm the Bastille if Ocean ever used those tropes.

 

[Massagecook01]

What interests me going forward is if Steam players will have any influence over the development

i'm pretty sure the steam release will be a success for the most part because about half if not more of oceans patreon and SS support will buy summers gone on steam so thats a plus for sure. other than that i don't know he has quite the following on f95zone so i imagine those here will buy the steam version in my opinion.

 

[NebulousShooter]

I kinda agree with what you all are singing if he didn't overdue it with the metajokes about no lewd and dick not working last update. Made the MC look like a complete loser and Bella an idiot for putting up with it.

Dick not working? Fine, you have working hands and lips, even if you can't get into you it right now mentally, do it for your female companion, I am sure that karma will return, instead he unnecessarily wrote himself into a corner he knew he can't get out of because of the Steam release and it makes zero sense narratively why he pushed so much of the, 'hahaha, SG has no sexy times, get it player?' meta humor.

Not mentioning how in bad taste it comes across, it would be fine 'wink, wink' joke if it would be a year old game, but some mfers have been waiting for anything to happen for 5 years now, they don't need the sword twisted in the wound, it fucking rusted in there already.

 

[BobTheDuck]

The Dev of another popular AVN here on F95 recently released a short April Fool's Day parody version of his game, mockingly set in a similar environment to one of the biggest AVNs around. In the parody, the dev used the "I love the taste of your pp!" / "Oh you fill me up so good!"-type tropes ironically, and it was a hoot!

I will buy a plane ticket and go storm the Bastille if Ocean ever used those tropes.

I saw that and downloaded it, but haven't played it yet - too many things going on WiaB wise that day to really enjoy pranks as intended. Please do if Ocean does it unironically. If we have a droll, disinterested Nika saying it while Nadia uses a devil card on him in tabletop land, I would find that absolutely hilarious.

i'm pretty sure the steam release will be a success for the most part because about half if not more of oceans patreon and SS support will buy summers gone on steam so thats a plus for sure. other than that i don't know he has quite the following on f95zone so i imagine those here will buy the steam version in my opinion.

I mean, I can only go by my own actions, I'm planning on buying it, and I'll probably buy it on steam, epic and gog, simply because I've gotten a lot of enjoyment out of it, and I can increase the chance of further development. I'm not willing/able to justify being a patron, so this is how I can have some small gratitude for years of pirating it.

 

[Turret]

Ayua´s rework/new look:

I am also a WiaB player and this new look leads to several theories and estimations about both games.
1) It hints quite much toward Japan (where Miru is from) and it also makes her resemble being Miru´s daughter stronger. Esp. in the pic with Bella it is very clear that Ayua is Miru´s daughter with her hair up just by how she looks in it to any WiaB player.

2) Her new look also makes Ayua close to Leia, Willi´s (Ayua´s dad) twin sister. The reworked bar pic for instance let´s her look rather much like Leia would in the same situation. My personal theory on this is that Willi, Miru and Leia found a way of living together during the events of WIAB. So much style resemblance cannot be chance. And that among Ayua´s mentioned female cousins one or two halfsisters are hopping around.
Because unless the three elder Zanes are really close, Ayua would never have a personal style so similar to Leia´s. We know that Miru keeps e.g. Daphne at arms length, so Leia must have become close during WIAB to be a style example for Ayua.

 

[yossa999]

I kinda agree with what you all are singing if he didn't overdue it with the metajokes about no lewd and dick not working last update. Made the MC look like a complete loser and Bella an idiot for putting up with it.

Dick not working? Fine, you have working hands and lips, even if you can't get into you it right now mentally, do it for your female companion, I am sure that karma will return, instead he unnecessarily wrote himself into a corner he knew he can't get out of because of the Steam release and it makes zero sense narratively why he pushed so much of the, 'hahaha, SG has no sexy times, get it player?' meta humor.

Not mentioning how in bad taste it comes across, it would be fine 'wink, wink' joke if it would be a year old game, but some mfers have been waiting for anything to happen for 5 years now, they don't need the sword twisted in the wound, it fucking rusted in there already.

Have you even played SG?

First of all, his dick works fine, but unfortunately it only works in one direction - Summer's dead pussy.

Second, Nami, roleplaying Summer, was able to make him get a boner.

Third, when the MC allowed Nami to move her buttocks on his dick in jacuzzi, he suddenly discovered that his dick was alive again. So, it's not just dead Summer's pussy that's actually working.

Four, the game doesn't yet say what exactly caused his panic attacks, but now they happen quite regularly. The more body contact he has, the stronger the blow. He lost in the college hallway surrounded by a bunch of girls, he had a panic attack. A threesome kiss with Vic and Mila - he had to retreat to the bathroom and experience a panic attack. He was having fun at a book club - panic attack. Do you really think getting more intimate with Bella is a good idea until he deals with this shit?

The game kinda hints that this idea is not very good. And it seems obvious that until he and Amber visit the damn cabin, he will not make any progress in solving this problem.

 

[rudy007]

Have you even played SG?

First of all, his dick works fine, but unfortunately it only works in one direction - Summer's dead pussy.

Second, Nami, roleplaying Summer, was able to make him get a boner.

Third, when the MC allowed Nami to move her buttocks on his dick in jacuzzi, he suddenly discovered that his dick was alive again. So, it's not just dead Summer's pussy that's actually working.

Four, the game doesn't yet say what exactly caused his panic attacks, but now they happen quite regularly. The more body contact he has, the stronger the blow. He lost in the college hallway surrounded by a bunch of girls, he had a panic attack. A threesome kiss with Vic and Mila - he had to retreat to the bathroom and experience a panic attack. He was having fun at a book club - panic attack. Do you really think getting more intimate with Bella is a good idea until he deals with this shit?

The game kinda hints that this idea is not very good. And it seems obvious that until he and Amber visit the damn cabin, he will not make any progress in solving this problem.

Amber is like walking Viagra. You let four grandpa's with erectile dysfunction sit around a table. When Amber would walk by, the table would begin to levitate...

 

[Adhdclassic]

The camping trip in WIAB should be interesting. If they follow the rework Miru leaves at one point to meet a Asian female friend. Just a theory in the original they never said her name just showed her, I think that friend is Nojiko. Which would explain why a person who has no money or influence has so many connections to high people.

 

[NebulousShooter]

Have you even played SG?

First of all, his dick works fine, but unfortunately it only works in one direction - Summer's dead pussy.

Second, Nami, roleplaying Summer, was able to make him get a boner.

Third, when the MC allowed Nami to move her buttocks on his dick in jacuzzi, he suddenly discovered that his dick was alive again. So, it's not just dead Summer's pussy that's actually working.

All not in the game anymore.

Four, the game doesn't yet say what exactly caused his panic attacks, but now they happen quite regularly. The more body contact he has, the stronger the blow. He lost in the college hallway surrounded by a bunch of girls, he had a panic attack. A threesome kiss with Vic and Mila - he had to retreat to the bathroom and experience a panic attack. He was having fun at a book club - panic attack. Do you really think getting more intimate with Bella is a good idea until he deals with this shit?

The game kinda hints that this idea is not very good. And it seems obvious that until he and Amber visit the damn cabin, he will not make any progress in solving this problem.

He got panic attacks because he was forcing social interactions with multiple people at once, especially strangers. Is there any instance where it happens with Bella? Because if not, all you just said is your head canon, because there are zero hints his attacks are related to intimacy with the people he loves, sex, or causing his dick problems.

Amber is like walking Viagra. You let four grandpa's with erectile dysfunction sit around a table. When Amber would walk by, the table would begin to levitate...

Dem pierced nipples too OP.

 

[Hahn1900]

Have you even played SG?

First of all, his dick works fine, but unfortunately it only works in one direction - Summer's dead pussy.

Second, Nami, roleplaying Summer, was able to make him get a boner.

Third, when the MC allowed Nami to move her buttocks on his dick in jacuzzi, he suddenly discovered that his dick was alive again. So, it's not just dead Summer's pussy that's actually working.

Four, the game doesn't yet say what exactly caused his panic attacks, but now they happen quite regularly. The more body contact he has, the stronger the blow. He lost in the college hallway surrounded by a bunch of girls, he had a panic attack. A threesome kiss with Vic and Mila - he had to retreat to the bathroom and experience a panic attack. He was having fun at a book club - panic attack. Do you really think getting more intimate with Bella is a good idea until he deals with this shit?

The game kinda hints that this idea is not very good. And it seems obvious that until he and Amber visit the damn cabin, he will not make any progress in solving this problem.

" This game is about healing, hope, and love. A young man plagued by depression and isolation. "

" After a traumatic experience, a young spirit tries to find its way back into life. "

Fappers dont care for that...

Before he can fuck, he need to get the other things sorted out... but yeah, that just doesnt get into many heads on F95. Good thing... F95 is not really Oceans customer-base.

Ocean planned 6 seasons (well, doesnt mean that it will be really 6 season, could turn out shorter as well) It would be extremly weird if the MC would already fuck around a lot. Would kinda ruin the whole premise of the game... and iam a little tired of those complains... cause they are really stupid, for fapping material, there is WiaB. Every update will have several lewd scene... and both games are connected.

Do i want to get hot and heavy with Nami, Bella, Vic, Mila and some others? Of course. But the intention of the game was always clear... the first picture after starting the game was never a joke. And it would be suprising to see actual sex in season 2 (and like the game goes it would be weird too). And i really hope that Ocean will not make something like a "wet-dream" or "flashback" as a first sex scene in the game just please the complainers... many games do that, and it always ruins a lot.

I for one found the jacuzzi scene strange... it came out of the blue and really didnt fit the overall pace.

 

[NebulousShooter]

 

[BobTheDuck]

The camping trip in WIAB should be interesting. If they follow the rework Miru leaves at one point to meet a Asian female friend. Just a theory in the original they never said her name just showed her, I think that friend is Nojiko. Which would explain why a person who has no money or influence has so many connections to high people.

I do hope we'll find Noji in WiaB to understand her connection - in SG we only know she worked with a 'Scarlet' at the hospital. This suggests that she's someone different to the member of Miru's old WiaB ninja clan who showed up - Scarlet was working at the hospital in WiaB, seemingly sourcing stuff on the side for Joe perhaps? So if Noji worked for Scarlet back then, Noji probably isn't squeaky clean.

Also, Nika mentions:

d "You're miserable. After your old boss left, your situation there took a turn for the worse."
scene ae1734 with dssa
m "I'm not going to deny that my situation has changed since Scarlet retired."

So that implies Nika knew of Scarlet, if not actually knowing Scarlet - more fuel that Noji is not keeping Nika away from the Zane's but keeping Nika stable/safe from himself.

 

[BobTheDuck]

All not in the game anymore.

He got panic attacks because he was forcing social interactions with multiple people at once, especially strangers. Is there any instance where it happens with Bella? Because if not, all you just said is your head canon, because there are zero hints his attacks are related to intimacy with the people he loves, sex, or causing his dick problems.
Dem pierced nipples too OP.

His dick problems are mentioned indirectly. He doesn't leave any messes around. Coupled with the removed scenes, which are no real loss, we do have a picture of someone who has a mental block regarding sex and intimacy, and is self aware of that block. Someone who has a block probably can't even think to pleasure someone else - the reason they can't get it up is because their mind is shunning that level of intimacy, not because they are just having a physical issue. Nika's brain is being blueballed by his past also.

d "I don't think you know how much my depression affects me."
scene sb1224 with dssr
m "You need to be a little more specific [name]... You don't really talk to me... I can only assume, and if I assume the wrong thing... It's going to be weird."
scene sb1225 with dssr
pause
scene sb1226 with dssa
d "About sex."
scene sb1228 with dssa
m "Oh."
scene sb1227 with dssa
m "Oh I... Umm... I figured as much."
m "You never left any traces... I suspected it."
m "Not like- others in the house..."

And the pierced nipples aren't gone, just the inappropriate (but wonderfully) tranparent blouse is gone. Maybe Ocean will leave a tease of the outline? Probably not

 

[yossa999]

All not in the game anymore.

Just the jacuzzi scene, now he stops Nami before she starts grinding his cock. But he admits he'll probably get a boner if she continues. He's just afraid to find out.

n "So... there was life in it?!"
d "Yes, if you had kept going, maybe he would have showed a reaction."
n "Then why did you stop it prematurely?"
n "Now we are only at 'maybe' instead of 'proven'!"
n "You fucking idiot!"
d "Nami... Trust me when I say... You might be capable of it... but it certainly won't work if you force it."

[...] there are zero hints his attacks are related to intimacy with the people he loves, sex, or causing his dick problems.

On Nami's route when they returned from Vic. if the MC admits that he has feelings for her and kisses her:

"Nami starts shaking as you disconnect the kiss."
"You leave her room."
n "W-what was in that roll?"
d "(Calm down... Calm down...)"
"You're trying to fight off the incoming panic attack."
d "I need to get out."

So, he has panic attacks related to intimacy with the people he loves. This is not my head canon, this is the author's character.

He got panic attacks because he was forcing social interactions with multiple people at once, especially strangers. Is there any instance where it happens with Bella? Because if not, all you just said is your head canon[...]

I agree that Bella is a special case and he feels much more comfortable with her than with the others. At least I don't remember him panicking while with her. But nevertheless, his panic attacks still occur and he is afraid that he might screw up in front of Bella because of this. He talks about this directly in Chapter 3.

"You and Nami stare into the distance."
d "Even if I.. wanted to spend the night with her.. I don't know if I could get him up."
n "Your wormy?"
d "Mhm."
n "Can't he get hard at all?"
d "He can.. if I think about certain things.."
n "Like what?"
d "Dead children."
n "..Like what?"
d "Past days with Summer... When I imagine how she would look now... How her voice would sound... Her touch would feel."
d "This sassy smile she always had.."
d "Then it... might work."
n "This is a real problem."
n "What about Viagra?"
d "No! What the fuck?!"
n "Then just think about Summer... if it comes to it."
d "No, you moron!"
d "*sigh*."
d "I need to get this out of my head.. I want to be.. normal again.."

He is scaried to go further with her because he understands that not everything is okay with him yet and a breakdown could happen at any moment. He's just afraid.
And why did you decide that Bella would be satisfied with the oral sex or petting? Performed by a virgin? Is this your head canon?

 

[yossa999]

I for one found the jacuzzi scene strange... it came out of the blue and really didnt fit the overall pace.

I guess it's not that strange. Nami was already slightly warmed up by Vanessa and decided to continue what she started at the lake.

 

[BobTheDuck]

I guess it's not that strange. Nami was already slightly warmed up by Vanessa and decided to continue what she started at the lake.

I actually think that the effect of Nami's path with the changed lake scene and the removed jacuzzi scene will actually make her a stronger more believable character. Up until what we've just found out, she is overtly sexual in her flirting towards Nika. I get that she is an awkward virgin talking tough to try and hide her insecurity, I get that the wiggly is her not being comfortable with her body now she's a weird 7, I get all of that. But the way she reacts to the kiss and to actual intimacyfeels far too reversed from that, especially if you take her for a walk after the movies at Vics.

Now she'll be talking but not pushing the boundaries too hard, she'll be all talk and no action, so Nika's move to initiate will actually have the affectof starting something, like he's stepping out on a limb. Prior to this change, it was the worst kept secret that Nami was into him, so her reaction in Ch5 felt out of character to me, I'd imagine her beinghappy about it and fearful, but this I think will make her reaction feel like he's crossed a boundary with her, rather than she's broken the boundaries already.