VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[BobTheDuck]

thats it, if the steam release is suppose to attact a new fan base, then the people that play it will play a so called adult visual novel with zero nudes and zero adult content, so are they suppose to be looking forward to season 2 with the thought of oh joy let me support this developer on pateron with a monthy amount that puts out zero lewds in his game, how are they suppose to take away the summers gone steam version with any hope to see any of the females naked and in sex scenes for the future. i know i would not, i would not want to support a developer if i played there so called adult visual novel with no adult content what so ever. you have to think about a fresh new player and their mindset buying summers gone and what they will take away from playing it .are they suppose to be excited for the story full of beautiful women that are fully dressed, i would imagine not. especially when it is marked as a adult visual novel and it is played like a visual novel. a person will buy an adult visual novel to see naked women and sex scenes if they buy this adult visual novel and it has zero naked women and sex scene they will not be encouraged to support this developer anymore i imagine. if they wanted just story they would buy a visual novel. is the point to hook them with story by buying summers gone on steam and then have them support on patreon with a monthy pledge to still see very little lewd content and have to wait for a long time to see maybe a handjob in a year or so and maybe a blowjob maybe 2 and 1/2 years , let alone any real sex with any of the females and you will probaly have to choose who you have sex with ,you will not be given the choice to have sex with them all i imagine, summers gone is not a harem game.

Patrons invest in development hoping for lewds or whatever, while steam purchasers are buying what is offered in the store. You're conflating the two groups, and they're not the same. Steam purchasers aren't inherently AVN connoisseurs who need all their fetishes tickled. Some will buy it just because they're curious. There is nothing on the store page that promises sex scenes of any kind, the most it promises is partial nudity. It doesn't have an adult tag on steam. They ARE buying a VN, and there is no attempt by Ocean to sell them an AVN the way you describe it.

You're judging everyone by your own tastes. People buying it on steam aren't necessarily here, and this might be their first VN of any kind. The idea that adult only refers to sexual content is ridiculous, as is the idea that no one wants an adult game without lewds. Clearly there are plenty that do, otherwise SG wouldn't have a larger following than "XYZ Mommy HAREM sim 2024" There are quite a lot of explicit games with less support than Ocean has. Most AVN's that deliver lewd content every update because someone's favourite didn't get porked become so boring and predictable, the faces are interchangeable, it's the same basic positions on loop. People subcribe to a patreon because they want to support what the creator is doing already, not because they want to hire someone to make a VN. Anyone who wants a custom VN could actually go hire someone to do it easily enough.

People will play and follow this without lewd content, I don't see why this is surprising. This whole thread really shows that it has happened. The little bit of lewd that was removed - 1 single scene, all the rest was nudity. The game hasn't dies since the jacuzzi scene changed. Most of life doesn't have lewd content. The income of the non adult games industry is far far higher than that of AVNs. This website is a bubble, and Ocean doesn't want to be limited by the bubble.

 

[Massagecook01]

Patrons invest in development hoping for lewds or whatever, while steam purchasers are buying what is offered in the store. You're conflating the two groups, and they're not the same. Steam purchasers aren't inherently AVN connoisseurs who need all their fetishes tickled. Some will buy it just because they're curious. There is nothing on the store page that promises sex scenes of any kind, the most it promises is partial nudity. It doesn't have an adult tag on steam. They ARE buying a VN, and there is no attempt by Ocean to sell them an AVN the way you describe it.

You're judging everyone by your own tastes. People buying it on steam aren't necessarily here, and this might be their first VN of any kind. The idea that adult only refers to sexual content is ridiculous, as is the idea that no one wants an adult game without lewds. Clearly there are plenty that do, otherwise SG wouldn't have a larger following than "XYZ Mommy HAREM sim 2024" There are quite a lot of explicit games with less support than Ocean has. Most AVN's that deliver lewd content every update because someone's favourite didn't get porked become so boring and predictable, the faces are interchangeable, it's the same basic positions on loop. People subcribe to a patreon because they want to support what the creator is doing already, not because they want to hire someone to make a VN. Anyone who wants a custom VN could actually go hire someone to do it easily enough.

People will play and follow this without lewd content, I don't see why this is surprising. This whole thread really shows that it has happened. The little bit of lewd that was removed - 1 single scene, all the rest was nudity. The game hasn't dies since the jacuzzi scene changed. Most of life doesn't have lewd content. The income of the non adult games industry is far far higher than that of AVNs. This website is a bubble, and Ocean doesn't want to be limited by the bubble.

good point, do you think summers gone would be as popular with F95zone wasn't around at all ? i think this website has given ocean a fan base that patreon alone could not give him which is why so many AVN game developers are here to promote their games. and this website is mostly if not all AVNs that has porn in it. to take away porn from your game is biting the hand that feeds you, i would like to know if every fan of summers gone will still play it if there would never at any time going be any sex scenes with any of the women. it's the hope to see those scenes in the coming future that they still support but they have to realize thats a far away thing judging by what we have already seen these 5 years we might see a handjob or blowjob in a year maybe. but as you say they are not here for any kind of porn but here only for story.

 

[John972]

Patrons invest in development hoping for lewds or whatever, while steam purchasers are buying what is offered in the store. You're conflating the two groups, and they're not the same. Steam purchasers aren't inherently AVN connoisseurs who need all their fetishes tickled. Some will buy it just because they're curious. There is nothing on the store page that promises sex scenes of any kind, the most it promises is partial nudity. It doesn't have an adult tag on steam. They ARE buying a VN, and there is no attempt by Ocean to sell them an AVN the way you describe it.

You're judging everyone by your own tastes. People buying it on steam aren't necessarily here, and this might be their first VN of any kind. The idea that adult only refers to sexual content is ridiculous, as is the idea that no one wants an adult game without lewds. Clearly there are plenty that do, otherwise SG wouldn't have a larger following than "XYZ Mommy HAREM sim 2024" There are quite a lot of explicit games with less support than Ocean has. Most AVN's that deliver lewd content every update because someone's favourite didn't get porked become so boring and predictable, the faces are interchangeable, it's the same basic positions on loop. People subcribe to a patreon because they want to support what the creator is doing already, not because they want to hire someone to make a VN. Anyone who wants a custom VN could actually go hire someone to do it easily enough.

People will play and follow this without lewd content, I don't see why this is surprising. This whole thread really shows that it has happened. The little bit of lewd that was removed - 1 single scene, all the rest was nudity. The game hasn't dies since the jacuzzi scene changed. Most of life doesn't have lewd content. The income of the non adult games industry is far far higher than that of AVNs. This website is a bubble, and Ocean doesn't want to be limited by the bubble.

People also miss the point that some of the removed lewds relate specifically to interactions between two main characters who share an implied though "unofficial" blood relationship. Better safe than sorry with a first Steam release.

 

[Mortarion]

good point, do you think summers gone would be as popular with F95zone wasn't around at all ? i think this website has given ocean a fan base that patreon alone could not give him which is why so many AVN game developers are here to promote their games.

Many devs has told that after the release on steam the zone has become insignificant as source for new customers/patrons.

The devs of Chasing Sunsets have burned all bridges to the zone way more early than Ocean, and had a great success.

 

[Massagecook01]

Many devs has told that after the release on steam the zone has become insignificant as source for new customers/patrons.

The devs of Chasing Sunsets have burned all bridges to the zone way more early than Ocean, and had a great success.

hey if using f95zone gets you success on steam and you no longer need f95zone to make an income then more power to the dev, i for one have used f95zone to find games then look for them on steam to buy it has worked out for me. i say use whatever source you can to help yourself i think f95zone can be a great tool for devs to gain a fan base as well as steam.

 

[hu lover]

hey if using f95zone gets you success on steam and you no longer need f95zone to make an income then more power to the dev, i for one have used f95zone to find games then look for them on steam to buy it has worked out for me. i say use whatever source you can to help yourself i think f95zone can be a great tool for devs to gain a fan base as well as steam.

Fzone and Steam are great places for developers to start a fan base of their own, i agree with you on that.

 

[BobTheDuck]

good point, do you think summers gone would be as popular with F95zone wasn't around at all ? i think this website has given ocean a fan base that patreon alone could not give him which is why so many AVN game developers are here to promote their games. and this website is mostly if not all AVNs that has porn in it. to take away porn from your game is biting the hand that feeds you, i would like to know if every fan of summers gone will still play it if there would never at any time going be any sex scenes with any of the women. it's the hope to see those scenes in the coming future that they still support but they have to realize thats a far away thing judging by what we have already seen these 5 years we might see a handjob or blowjob in a year maybe. but as you say they are not here for any kind of porn but here only for story.

I think Ocean started here like a lot of devs. It's certainly a bit of a cauldron, and you can see the wide range of what people like. But Ocean deleted his account here, because people kept demanding he do things their way. His patreons haven't been as demanding as the pirates in this sense. SG hasn't had lewds in any meaningful way at all the whole development. This means, yes, people have been playing it this whole time and enjoying it even with the blueball warning. It hasn't been taken away, it's almost never been in the game. Based on how popular this game is despite the naysayers, the majority of people are comfortable with seeing how it develops, and getting on with other lewd games in the mean time if they feel too blueballed. It's not like we're lacking choices here, we could even get easy WiaB fixes of Miru.

Kickstarters etc have the same problem with people hoping for what a game will be like etc vs the reality once it's shipped. Supporting development is no guarantee of preferred content. Not supporting development means no guarantees of anything.

I play the game because I like the characters and the story as it is. If there are no lewds, I'll still play to find out what happens. Lewds can happen, I won't be upset if they do, that'd be silly, but I'm playing this one for the game as my main interest.

hey if using f95zone gets you success on steam and you no longer need f95zone to make an income then more power to the dev, i for one have used f95zone to find games then look for them on steam to buy it has worked out for me. i say use whatever source you can to help yourself i think f95zone can be a great tool for devs to gain a fan base as well as steam.

This is the thing 100%

I'm not dogmatic about what Ocean decides, he can do what he likes. I'll applaud any choices he makes that enable SG to reach completion. Consider what happened to WiaB recently, and consider what would've happened if Ocean hadn't have dumbed down SG. Future content is something Ocean has plans for, but how that happens, we'll get to find out. WiaB having lewds straight out of the gate was Ocean basically saying he is happy to have lewds whenever, but it has to be meaningful to the story he's telling. It makes sense in WiaB, not yet in SG. and he's slowed it down to release the first season without more reworks to replace music he licensed.

How he develops and releases Season 2 is a good question - Ocean's actually new to this steam process - SG will be his first game on there, this whole thing is new to him, as experienced as he is with rendering and cinematics. This release side, he's amking it up as he goes, like we all would. There's no one way to get your product to market safely.

Season 2 he'll have time and feedback to work out what he needs to do to reach his goals without leaving customers behind.

Ocean being focused on how he can continue the story is a win for me in any way he chooses to succeed

 

[PaxHadrian17]

maybe he can use onlyfans

You jest but I remember another thread where this was already commented on.

If the Patreon crusade against AVNs with certain tags spreads to just AVNs (and especially if it looks to spread to SS), the creators/owners of OnlyFans would be foolish not to offer a home to content scorned by other 'creative' outlets.

Would it be worth it to pay a $1 US Dollar subscription fee to get access to the OnlyFans AVN portal, then pick AVNS I want to support via a tier system much like what we have now?

YES!

OnlyFans as a possible home for AVNs Patreon does not approve of might have seemed ludicrous a few years ago but today, during the Patreon crusade... not so much.

Cheers!!

 

[Massagecook01]

I think Ocean started here like a lot of devs. It's certainly a bit of a cauldron, and you can see the wide range of what people like. But Ocean deleted his account here, because people kept demanding he do things their way. His patreons haven't been as demanding as the pirates in this sense. SG hasn't had lewds in any meaningful way at all the whole development. This means, yes, people have been playing it this whole time and enjoying it even with the blueball warning. It hasn't been taken away, it's almost never been in the game. Based on how popular this game is despite the naysayers, the majority of people are comfortable with seeing how it develops, and getting on with other lewd games in the mean time if they feel too blueballed. It's not like we're lacking choices here, we could even get easy WiaB fixes of Miru.

Kickstarters etc have the same problem with people hoping for what a game will be like etc vs the reality once it's shipped. Supporting development is no guarantee of preferred content. Not supporting development means no guarantees of anything.

I play the game because I like the characters and the story as it is. If there are no lewds, I'll still play to find out what happens. Lewds can happen, I won't be upset if they do, that'd be silly, but I'm playing this one for the game as my main interest.



This is the thing 100%

I'm not dogmatic about what Ocean decides, he can do what he likes. I'll applaud any choices he makes that enable SG to reach completion. Consider what happened to WiaB recently, and consider what would've happened if Ocean hadn't have dumbed down SG. Future content is something Ocean has plans for, but how that happens, we'll get to find out. WiaB having lewds straight out of the gate was Ocean basically saying he is happy to have lewds whenever, but it has to be meaningful to the story he's telling. It makes sense in WiaB, not yet in SG. and he's slowed it down to release the first season without more reworks to replace music he licensed.

How he develops and releases Season 2 is a good question - Ocean's actually new to this steam process - SG will be his first game on there, this whole thing is new to him, as experienced as he is with rendering and cinematics. This release side, he's amking it up as he goes, like we all would. There's no one way to get your product to market safely.

Season 2 he'll have time and feedback to work out what he needs to do to reach his goals without leaving customers behind.

Ocean being focused on how he can continue the story is a win for me in any way he chooses to succeed

i don't know what % i am in lewds and story. for the most part lewds in a AVN would make no sense without story, if i just want lewds then i just watch porn. but in a AVN the story is first and foremost and then add the lewds but only if they make sense for the story and characters. i would imagine that is what ocean is doing building story and character relationships up before he adds lewds for the lewds to make sense and for other characters the lewds probaly will never come because it will make no sense for the story.

 

[Hahn1900]

I would disagree with that statement when it comes to dual Steam/Patreon-SS AVNs.

The common trend now is that a bunch of sequential Chapters get released first on Patreon-SS and then bundled into a Season for Steam release. I expect that the Chapters of SG Season 2 will be published on Patreon-SS first. Once five or so Chapters are complete, they'll be bundled into Season 2 and that will be released on Steam first.

What Ocean is doing is no different to many other AVN devs, and I can name several Steam AVNs (also originally popular here as Patreon/SS releases) that work exactly the same way.

Ok lets phrase it differently, cause thats not was i wanted to say... i could have sworn that i wrote these words into the post, but must have slipped...

i meant to say "its not common around here to release games in seasons" or in other words... most games around here simply dont have seasons. Its a rarity that games consist of several seasons on F95 and so they are not released in seasons on steam or elsewhere too of course, there are not that many games with multiple seasons (that i wrote so yeah... just two words were missing, sorry for that). That was the thing i was pointing at... or tried too, just... written not correctly.

 

[BobTheDuck]

i don't know what % i am in lewds and story. for the most part lewds in a AVN would make no sense without story, if i just want lewds then i just watch porn. but in a AVN the story is first and foremost and then add the lewds but only if they make sense for the story and characters. i would imagine that is what ocean is doing building story and character relationships up before he adds lewds for the lewds to make sense and for other characters the lewds probaly will never come because it will make no sense for the story.

I would hit a like, but I've hit my reaction limit today, every now and then I get one back, and bam, someone posts something I like

This is exactly the thing. Lewd scenes onlr really have any excitement the first time you see them in a story, because it a surprise. Generic male DAZ penis looks as bad as saying "GM DAZ PP" aloud sounds. It either looks like a bratwurst, or like a woodwork experiemnt witha broom handle or something that should be rushed to a doctor to be treatedfor cancer. The average DAZ PP is very very unerotic. The breasts we've seen, some are more some less erotic once we see nipples, based on preferences. In general the vaginas look slightly better than the pp's but the look more like an alien lifeform waiting to be fed bratwurst.

I can honestly say the only erotic thing about any DAZ lewd scene is the characters and why they're getting intimate. Without that, it's just varying render qualities, and imagininative angles. As you say, porn at least gets lewd right.

On the whole I prefer AVN's because they are erotic, and eroticism isn't limited to lewdness.

It's the same thing with any game. And endless shooter loses appeal, a dungeon crawler with no goal other than survival is a niche appeal. Most people are turned on by the narrative, which is why even porn tries to have stories. And this is why I believe SG is an adult novel, because the way the characters interact actual feels far more natural than the usual "I love the taste of your pp!" "Oh you fill me up so good!" If Ocean writes either of those phrases unironically, I'll probably projective vomit when that happens!

 

[Massagecook01]

I would hit a like, but I've hit my reaction limit today, every now and then I get one back, and bam, someone posts something I like

This is exactly the thing. Lewd scenes onlr really have any excitement the first time you see them in a story, because it a surprise. Generic male DAZ penis looks as bad as saying "GM DAZ PP" aloud sounds. It either looks like a bratwurst, or like a woodwork experiemnt witha broom handle or something that should be rushed to a doctor to be treatedfor cancer. The average DAZ PP is very very unerotic. The breasts we've seen, some are more some less erotic once we see nipples, based on preferences. In general the vaginas look slightly better than the pp's but the look more like an alien lifeform waiting to be fed bratwurst.

I can honestly say the only erotic thing about any DAZ lewd scene is the characters and why they're getting intimate. Without that, it's just varying render qualities, and imagininative angles. As you say, porn at least gets lewd right.

On the whole I prefer AVN's because they are erotic, and eroticism isn't limited to lewdness.

It's the same thing with any game. And endless shooter loses appeal, a dungeon crawler with no goal other than survival is a niche appeal. Most people are turned on by the narrative, which is why even porn tries to have stories. And this is why I believe SG is an adult novel, because the way the characters interact actual feels far more natural than the usual "I love the taste of your pp!" "Oh you fill me up so good!" If Ocean writes either of those phrases unironically, I'll probably projective vomit when that happens!

i have found myself even getting emotional in some adult games because of the characters realtionship dyamtic, being asking them to marry you or the MC getting hurt and the female characters coming to his add or whatever and thats not lewd one bit but feelings and those adult games hold more sway with me than the erotic aspect on other adult games can ever have.

 

[John972]

good point, do you think summers gone would be as popular with F95zone wasn't around at all ? i think this website has given ocean a fan base that patreon alone could not give him which is why so many AVN game developers are here to promote their games. and this website is mostly if not all AVNs that has porn in it. to take away porn from your game is biting the hand that feeds you, i would like to know if every fan of summers gone will still play it if there would never at any time going be any sex scenes with any of the women. it's the hope to see those scenes in the coming future that they still support but they have to realize thats a far away thing judging by what we have already seen these 5 years we might see a handjob or blowjob in a year maybe. but as you say they are not here for any kind of porn but here only for story.

The AVN dev community is like a pyramid - many at the bottom and a few quite successful ones at the top. They mostly share one thing in common - Patreon and the likes of F95 gave them a leg up when they started out.

With Ocean's two games - WIAB has had sexy times from the very beginning. Meanwhile, the slow-burn disclaimer has existed in SG from almost the beginning. Throwing a few titties and arses in SG now and a again has simply been throwing Patreons and supporters a bone in the meantime. It's been made clear for many years that SG will have quite a build-up before the sexy-time pay-off. Nothing about that has changed just because of the Steam release and the removal of a few titties and arse renders.

Ok lets phrase it differently, cause thats not was i wanted to say... i could have sworn that i wrote these words into the post, but must have slipped...

i meant to say "its not common around here to release games in seasons" or in other words... most games around here simply dont have seasons. Its a rarity that games consist of several seasons on F95 and so they are not released in seasons on steam or elsewhere too of course, there are not that many games with multiple seasons (that i wrote so yeah... just two words were missing, sorry for that). That was the thing i was pointing at... or tried too, just... written not correctly.

Yeah, I know what you're saying. Seasons really only became a thing after games we know from here hit Steam.

 

[John972]

...than the usual "I love the taste of your pp!" "Oh you fill me up so good!" If Ocean writes either of those phrases unironically, I'll probably projective vomit when that happens!

The Dev of another popular AVN here on F95 recently released a short April Fool's Day parody version of his game, mockingly set in a similar environment to one of the biggest AVNs around. In the parody, the dev used the "I love the taste of your pp!" / "Oh you fill me up so good!"-type tropes ironically, and it was a hoot!

I will buy a plane ticket and go storm the Bastille if Ocean ever used those tropes.

 

[Massagecook01]

What interests me going forward is if Steam players will have any influence over the development

i'm pretty sure the steam release will be a success for the most part because about half if not more of oceans patreon and SS support will buy summers gone on steam so thats a plus for sure. other than that i don't know he has quite the following on f95zone so i imagine those here will buy the steam version in my opinion.

 

[NebulousShooter]

I kinda agree with what you all are singing if he didn't overdue it with the metajokes about no lewd and dick not working last update. Made the MC look like a complete loser and Bella an idiot for putting up with it.

Dick not working? Fine, you have working hands and lips, even if you can't get into you it right now mentally, do it for your female companion, I am sure that karma will return, instead he unnecessarily wrote himself into a corner he knew he can't get out of because of the Steam release and it makes zero sense narratively why he pushed so much of the, 'hahaha, SG has no sexy times, get it player?' meta humor.

Not mentioning how in bad taste it comes across, it would be fine 'wink, wink' joke if it would be a year old game, but some mfers have been waiting for anything to happen for 5 years now, they don't need the sword twisted in the wound, it fucking rusted in there already.

 

[BobTheDuck]

The Dev of another popular AVN here on F95 recently released a short April Fool's Day parody version of his game, mockingly set in a similar environment to one of the biggest AVNs around. In the parody, the dev used the "I love the taste of your pp!" / "Oh you fill me up so good!"-type tropes ironically, and it was a hoot!

I will buy a plane ticket and go storm the Bastille if Ocean ever used those tropes.

I saw that and downloaded it, but haven't played it yet - too many things going on WiaB wise that day to really enjoy pranks as intended. Please do if Ocean does it unironically. If we have a droll, disinterested Nika saying it while Nadia uses a devil card on him in tabletop land, I would find that absolutely hilarious.

i'm pretty sure the steam release will be a success for the most part because about half if not more of oceans patreon and SS support will buy summers gone on steam so thats a plus for sure. other than that i don't know he has quite the following on f95zone so i imagine those here will buy the steam version in my opinion.

I mean, I can only go by my own actions, I'm planning on buying it, and I'll probably buy it on steam, epic and gog, simply because I've gotten a lot of enjoyment out of it, and I can increase the chance of further development. I'm not willing/able to justify being a patron, so this is how I can have some small gratitude for years of pirating it.

 

[Turret]

Ayua´s rework/new look:

I am also a WiaB player and this new look leads to several theories and estimations about both games.
1) It hints quite much toward Japan (where Miru is from) and it also makes her resemble being Miru´s daughter stronger. Esp. in the pic with Bella it is very clear that Ayua is Miru´s daughter with her hair up just by how she looks in it to any WiaB player.

2) Her new look also makes Ayua close to Leia, Willi´s (Ayua´s dad) twin sister. The reworked bar pic for instance let´s her look rather much like Leia would in the same situation. My personal theory on this is that Willi, Miru and Leia found a way of living together during the events of WIAB. So much style resemblance cannot be chance. And that among Ayua´s mentioned female cousins one or two halfsisters are hopping around.
Because unless the three elder Zanes are really close, Ayua would never have a personal style so similar to Leia´s. We know that Miru keeps e.g. Daphne at arms length, so Leia must have become close during WIAB to be a style example for Ayua.

 

[yossa999]

I kinda agree with what you all are singing if he didn't overdue it with the metajokes about no lewd and dick not working last update. Made the MC look like a complete loser and Bella an idiot for putting up with it.

Dick not working? Fine, you have working hands and lips, even if you can't get into you it right now mentally, do it for your female companion, I am sure that karma will return, instead he unnecessarily wrote himself into a corner he knew he can't get out of because of the Steam release and it makes zero sense narratively why he pushed so much of the, 'hahaha, SG has no sexy times, get it player?' meta humor.

Not mentioning how in bad taste it comes across, it would be fine 'wink, wink' joke if it would be a year old game, but some mfers have been waiting for anything to happen for 5 years now, they don't need the sword twisted in the wound, it fucking rusted in there already.

Have you even played SG?

First of all, his dick works fine, but unfortunately it only works in one direction - Summer's dead pussy.

Second, Nami, roleplaying Summer, was able to make him get a boner.

Third, when the MC allowed Nami to move her buttocks on his dick in jacuzzi, he suddenly discovered that his dick was alive again. So, it's not just dead Summer's pussy that's actually working.

Four, the game doesn't yet say what exactly caused his panic attacks, but now they happen quite regularly. The more body contact he has, the stronger the blow. He lost in the college hallway surrounded by a bunch of girls, he had a panic attack. A threesome kiss with Vic and Mila - he had to retreat to the bathroom and experience a panic attack. He was having fun at a book club - panic attack. Do you really think getting more intimate with Bella is a good idea until he deals with this shit?

The game kinda hints that this idea is not very good. And it seems obvious that until he and Amber visit the damn cabin, he will not make any progress in solving this problem.

 

[rudy007]

Have you even played SG?

First of all, his dick works fine, but unfortunately it only works in one direction - Summer's dead pussy.

Second, Nami, roleplaying Summer, was able to make him get a boner.

Third, when the MC allowed Nami to move her buttocks on his dick in jacuzzi, he suddenly discovered that his dick was alive again. So, it's not just dead Summer's pussy that's actually working.

Four, the game doesn't yet say what exactly caused his panic attacks, but now they happen quite regularly. The more body contact he has, the stronger the blow. He lost in the college hallway surrounded by a bunch of girls, he had a panic attack. A threesome kiss with Vic and Mila - he had to retreat to the bathroom and experience a panic attack. He was having fun at a book club - panic attack. Do you really think getting more intimate with Bella is a good idea until he deals with this shit?

The game kinda hints that this idea is not very good. And it seems obvious that until he and Amber visit the damn cabin, he will not make any progress in solving this problem.

Amber is like walking Viagra. You let four grandpa's with erectile dysfunction sit around a table. When Amber would walk by, the table would begin to levitate...