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Be realistic. You are actually articulate, and can list in detail what you like and don't like. Half the complaints here show people who downloaded the game on hype and did a speedrun at best. If someone doesn't like the game that's fine, but the repeated hysterics, repeated digs repeated jokes don't even have any effort put in. "My kids will play this" really? How original is that thought twenty times on the same page? I get there are new people, but they're not even reading the comment above them, let alone reading SG. I'd rater discuss things with people like yourself who have actual perception, even if I disagree. A litany of hate is not equal to a decent critque.
No one literally knows. Ocean has decided that publishing LI status is too much of a spoiler, so you will have to play blind for now.
100%. Some of Nika's responses were pretty telling: "It ...wasn't my fault ...I had no other choice". I'm pretty sure that wasn't like that before, it's definitely elevated the idea that there was a situation and Nika was an active participant of whatever went down, he did something he believes negatively affected Summer, and is potentially the reason for her absence.Just a slight change in the MC's answer to Amber's question: "I get the feeling that you are... Let's say in some way blaming yourself?" certainly gives more food for theories
I'm outta reactions, but yeah, I also believe he'll learn. The big difference between this rework and any future editing, is that in order to remove the parts of the game that had Regium's involvement (pretty sure that'd be a potential legal headache), the continuity from Ch1 to Ch2 looked disgusting. Ch2 to Ch3 is passable, but I absolutely value the depth Ocean went to to make things more consistent. Even little touches like the bar scene, explaining that they've been let so Layla can make sure everything's working/soft launching the bar. Before they just appear in a bar, and then the bar is opening later. There are still a few coninuity problems, but on the whole I think the rework was net positive, as the anticipation of the workload was vastly underestimated. In reality, he should have just initiated the same process as WiaB once he cut the dark path, I sincerely believe that would've been faster. But that's all history, I don't think there will ever need to be a situation where Ocean will need to do this. Since Wiab restarted, it's been remarkably consistent, so I believe that same continuity will be possible now SG S1 is done.
I think you should play it and make your own mind up. the signal to noise ratio here is pretty screwed up. I wouldn't play the beta, because there is no forward development for the beta. Make your decision about whether you like the game on what is canon. If you play the beta and then decide not to play the full, you'll have wasted time, because S2 takes over from S1, and there are currently significant continuity errors in the beta, so you have to guess some of what's beening shown. The full has a consistent approach, barring a few minor inconstencies few people would trigger.
It's been stated many times, you just chose not to believe it. You are sure he knew the risk? that sounds like an assumption. Probably 90% of AVN devs just pirate (and risk takedown notices) sounds - there's my assumption - so who does Ocean have to ask advice from? Didn't it happen to Drifty and DPC too? Should they not sell because they should've known better? It actually seems to me that Ocean navigated a bad situation the only way he could work out. Could he have done better? Probably, but here we are. To assume any kind of malice or ulterior motive regards the probelms the music created in this situation is just projection of your desires of what you wish the project could be.
No one ever becomes a legit business by this artificial standard. All businesses were once amateur startups. Once people reach a certain level of people wanting their product, it's natural to capitalise it. You're making it weird, as though some people are allowed to be an enterpreneur and others are not even allowed to learn. If Ocean finds a market (he has) then he can sell and learn as he goes, just like governments and banks make it up as they go. If he fails, well, we've seen banks collapse before right?
Ch5 Full was simply the reworks that hadn't been added to Ch5 beta. All the reworks are done. Once Ocean submitted to steam, he ticked 'occasional nudity" as a content description, which steam rejected because 1.5% ish is frequent nudity to them. So Ocean started cutting lewd content to get it under the line so he didn't lose the music.
The next update will be all new content, with no limitation of music licenses as I'm pretty sure Ocean has PTSD over the music issue by now.
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I mean you can of course demand that only AVN's which excell in everything from the get go are sold on steam. But where does that leave us? In this case there would only be a single avn sold on steam in my opinion. And this AVN wouldnt even have been made without a strong temptation for the dev to earn money with it.
It would leave us with way less avn's being made which i think is a bad thing. The devs being able to full invest themselfes into the creation of the avn without money struggles just leads to more avns being created which means more good ones will arise aswell.
Its not like anyone is forced to buy it on steam and lets not forget what a buggy mess a lot of normal games (or even worse early excess games) on steam are when they are published. Theres a lot of good and bad indie stuff. If you want a only aaa-store you have to look at ea origin or whatever its called, there are a lot of "polished" aka soulless aaa-games for everyone who wants this kind of stuff.
More money due to sales allows the devs to become more profesionall aswell and esp in ocean's case .. i dont even want to know how much he pays for electricity every month, its fucking expensive atm in germany and he invests his money in a lot of pc upgrades too.
Im just saying, more avn's on steam - even bad ones - isnt a bad thing imo if you want more AVN's to be produced.
Of course youre free to hold them to a higher standart or to say "an avn like SG is below my standarts and i would prefer avns like these to not exist" but it seems pretty selfish and strange.
And AVNs and the involved topics/kinks have so many traps for devs, you wont be able to make everyone happy anyway. There will always be a crowd of people disliking certain aspects so strongly that they dislike the entire avn.
I mentioned the nami spanking scene and her not pulling down her pants down anymore on discord and ocean said he will bring that back with the topless nami lake scene.
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Try the Koga3 version
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I'm not demanding anything... you are correct in pointing out there's a lot of shitty games sold on Steam, and guess what? Everyone calls them out for being shit.
It's not about not allowing them to sell, they're free to do so... but if it's shit, then it's shit... why should we give Ocean a pass and not all those other shitty games?
I completely disagree with that... an AVN market saturation due to a ton of crappy AI generated, or just plain bad AVNs doesn't help anyone at all.
Did George RR Martin ever finish Winds of Winter or did he choke on a hot dog before he got it done?
And speaking of which, I finally downloaded the damned thing to check it out... and yeah, not impressed so far (I'm at the gym with Bella part, so not done yet).
6 years of development and endless remakes, changes and tweaks to renders, story and dialogues, and the game STILL has typos and it STILL reads like it's badly translated, with a ton of just weird dialogues.
Oh and also, STILL the same basic bitch renpy UI. STILL the same ugly-ass text-box that covers a third of the screen (imagine having some of the best renders in the genre and covering them with that shit), STILL the same vanilla renpy font, with no shadow or outline... STILL the same base renpy choice-button visuals... STILL the same ugly main menu screen with mis-aligned and mis-fitting buttons with jagged edges.
Right now my only question is: What the fuck has Ocean been doing all this time? Even shit-tier AVNs put in the effort to at least customize the UI for fuck's sake... like, this is some very basic stuff, for real... Is this really a product worth defending tooth and nail as if it were one of the best AVNs out there?
Well, like I said, not impressed right now... It's really disappointing that he's taken sooo much time to "prepare for a Steam release" and this is what he released.
6 years of development and endless remakes, changes and tweaks to renders, story and dialogues, and the game STILL has typos and it STILL reads like it's badly translated, with a ton of just weird dialogues.
Oh and also, STILL the same basic bitch renpy UI. STILL the same ugly-ass text-box that covers a third of the screen (imagine having some of the best renders in the genre and covering them with that shit), STILL the same vanilla renpy font, with no shadow or outline... STILL the same base renpy choice-button visuals... STILL the same ugly main menu screen with mis-aligned and mis-fitting buttons with jagged edges.
Right now my only question is: What the fuck has Ocean been doing all this time? Even shit-tier AVNs put in the effort to at least customize the UI for fuck's sake... like, this is some very basic stuff, for real... Is this really a product worth defending tooth and nail as if it were one of the best AVNs out there?
Well, like I said, not impressed right now... It's really disappointing that he's taken sooo much time to "prepare for a Steam release" and this is what he released.
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There doesn't have to be any consensus on everything. I can enjoy SG without agreeing with all Ocean's decisions. I can also enjoy SG while still having criticisms of the game, even if it didn't have grammar issues. I also don't have to like every game based on peer pressure or rating. I can like all the games that subjectively appeal to me. You do the same I'm sure. Everyone has their own list of guilty pleasure games, that they like for nostalgia or some other dumb reason.
A game doesn't have to be critically approved by others for me to enjoy it. All that does is show that I have no opinion about my own tastes. A games review score is made up of individual tastes covering a full spectrum. I am not extra medium and neither are you: so point to these universally panned games without one even moderate review. There is difference in opinion on everything. Other people's tastes don't translate well with what I enjoy on the whole. What a game is rated *might* influence my decision to play it or buy it, but the thing that influences me to play are the previews and the blurb.
Cultivating a few elite games also doesn't help the AVN market. Do you believe monopolies result in better development (or more marketplace choices), or competition? If dev's have to work hard to stand out, chances are that a lot of those shittier games will end up disappearing. SG and WiaB do stand out. Do they live up to their hype? Not yet. I'd say WiaB lives up to more currently than SG, but both have a long process ahead. If someone does or doesn't have the patience to wait, well, that's really their choice isn't it? There's no objective quality in that choice, just subjective opinions and personal taste.
I may not remember that scene at all but im glad cause I welcome any Nami spanking
Yeah, I'll try to be as nice as possible here: There's a reason why I didn't reply to you earlier. Let's leave it at that...
Nobody forces you to give him a pass, if you dislike SG and don’t want to play it (anymore) because you think it’s „shitty“, there’s nobody stopping you.
I give Ocean a pass because I don’t think it’s „shitty“ it’s among my fav 20 AVNs.
I couldn’t give less of a shit about a lot of the things which annoy you (like basic renpy menu, I even prefer it over customized ones) for example. Everyone is different.
And you can’t be serious about your last point, more AVNs being made and funded leads automatically to more good avns being made. That’s pretty basic logic.
If nobody gets funding to produce quality avns we would end up with a market of low effort, low quality ai shit, not the other way around.
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Okay thenYeah, I'll try to be as nice as possible here: There's a reason why I didn't reply to you earlier. Let's leave it at that...
I just wanted to say I really liked the way you worded this post it's so true. Your post kind of relates to my experience playing games in general especially when I read reviews. I've played countless of AVN's on this site many see issues with or dislike but I don't. But im able to easily find personal enjoyment easier / the good in them more than most people I feel like. Which is probably why ive only dropped maybe 2 AVN's out of the 96 ive played.
Summers Gone is actually a perfect example of this. If I think critically about the game I can see things I dislike about SG that would normally prevent me considering it a S or A tier AVN on my personal list and would probably land in the middle or so of my list. But then there is small things I enjoy the hell out of in SG like the characters , the character interactions and comedy that makes any issues I have with the game seem like a nitpick or a non issue because of how much I enjoy those small things. As I always say personal enjoyment is more important than the quality of a AVN. After all you can enjoy shit and know it's shit but it's still really enjoyable to the point that it becomes a favorite.
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I'm still out of reacts, so
We don't play these games to brag about what we've played, we play for personal satisfaction. If people aren't satisfied, they should seek to get their money back
I'm personally interested in the story, and I want to find out where it goes. I've pirated over 300 games off this site like a complete sponge, at least half of which I'm yet to play; some games just don't engage me even if other people think they're great, other ones which seem a bit shit I still enjoy while knowing they're just a guilty pleasure, some are underrated... it's all my opinion in action. No one validates my playthroughs.No one's going to write my epitaph and say, "well, shit, he only played the BEST games, wow what a guy." This is not only a niche enjoyment, it's completely optional, and there's no rewards for playing the 'right' games.
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Due to the fact that I haven't been part of this "honorable club" for that long, I logically have a completely different perspective than the "old-timers".
Therefore, I want to limit my conclusion to what we have in front of us at the moment.
Question one: Is this version worth downloading?
Partly, partly. It is and remains the same story. You can download and play them, but you don't have to. What I can say is that it's definitely worth playing through again, because chapters two and three in particular have received some significant changes. Not only have new scenes been added or omitted, but the dialogue has also changed. Some things are now logically clearer, and some things, in the "Ocean style", are blurrier. The renderings now fit seamlessly into the very high overall level of quality, making it a real feast for the eyes and ears. It's a real treat to play through it again (for the nth time).
Question two: Is it worth buying the Steam version or later the Patreon version?
Well, here I say that everyone has to decide for themselves. I don't want to and won't comment on it here. What I can completely understand is that some supporters from days gone by are pretty “angry” (to say the least) with Ocean.
Question three: Should you support Ocean in the future?
A definite YES, BUT, as much as I'm sorry, ONLY NOW! What Ocean threw at our feet with S1, people, is unparalleled! The anticipation for S2 is huge and even more so given the fact that S2 is already in the works.
My conclusion is that SG is a house number that other VNs have to measure themselves against!
Therefore, I want to limit my conclusion to what we have in front of us at the moment.
Question one: Is this version worth downloading?
Partly, partly. It is and remains the same story. You can download and play them, but you don't have to. What I can say is that it's definitely worth playing through again, because chapters two and three in particular have received some significant changes. Not only have new scenes been added or omitted, but the dialogue has also changed. Some things are now logically clearer, and some things, in the "Ocean style", are blurrier. The renderings now fit seamlessly into the very high overall level of quality, making it a real feast for the eyes and ears. It's a real treat to play through it again (for the nth time).
Question two: Is it worth buying the Steam version or later the Patreon version?
Well, here I say that everyone has to decide for themselves. I don't want to and won't comment on it here. What I can completely understand is that some supporters from days gone by are pretty “angry” (to say the least) with Ocean.
Question three: Should you support Ocean in the future?
A definite YES, BUT, as much as I'm sorry, ONLY NOW! What Ocean threw at our feet with S1, people, is unparalleled! The anticipation for S2 is huge and even more so given the fact that S2 is already in the works.
My conclusion is that SG is a house number that other VNs have to measure themselves against!