| Vee |

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Why is this nonsense? This is the custom on Patreon; everyone who makes reworks is called milkmaids. People on Patreon have already encountered developers who constantly postpone the release of new chapters due to reworks. Such dishonest developers only took money, but did not develop their games, so they began to be called milkmen. Doesn't remind you of anything? Ocean's plot has been stagnant without development for several years now, so people stop believing him. They have every right to do so.:cry:
Only milkers just do remakes and but the one who is providing actual chapters alongside those reworks doesn't fall in the category of those milker (not to me) and Ocean was providing way more renders in the chapters alongside with those rework renders. The story suffer bcz of renders? Absolutely. Will hope of season 2 not to be repeat of season 1.
 

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Really well spotted, and yeah I agree with your reasoning. As she's been highlighted so obviously, and given her complexion, what if she's Ayua's cousin/Leia's daughter? She does seem to be lurking in the same way Sasha and her group lurk, but she seems far more of a lone wolf
Yeah, who knows why Ocean chooses to focus on her. That instance on the bus was really random.
 

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Having watched this rework saga unfold since 2021:

1. Ocean began reworking the original game. By original game, I am referring to Chs 1 to 3.5.

Ch 4 was the first full chapter to feature visuals of the quality they are now. The quality of the visuals (and some of the writing) in those early chapters was very poor compared to now.

This rework was a long and drawn out process. He said that process is finished with the release of Season 1 (personally, I'd have no problem if Ocean reworked renders in Chs 3 and 3.5 to bring everything up to that Ch 4 quality. Instead, he drew a line under everything and put a disclaimer with the Steam release explaining why the Ch 3 and 3.5 renders look different to the rest).

2. A Music licensing agency pulled the plug on AVN developers with little warning. Some musicians also barred their work being used with adult content. This was a wake-up call for all AVN developers (many games seen on F95 were affected by the music licensing fiasco) and now we have Patreon doing a similar thing with little warning (witness WIAB getting pulled from Patreon). In terms of SG, loosing music licenses absolutely screwed several existing cinematics in SG, which were designed and synced around specific music tracks. This required reworks of existing material because it was forced via a third-party service provider, NOT because Ocean wanted to do it.

3. Ocean decided to keep his existing music in the game. This caused a rethink of the content in what is now Season 1 because Ocean did not want to risk loosing those existing music licenses (see the first two sentences of 2. above). Again, This required modification or removal of existing material because it was forced via a third-party service provider, NOT because Ocean wanted to do it.

Any argument that Ocean should have just ditched the music is meaningless. SG is designed to be an audio-visual experience and Ocean is sticking to that.

4. Then we get the Steam restrictions. Yes, Ocean made the choice to market the game on Steam and to market it specifically in his home country. This meant Ocean had to make further changes to comply with a third-party service provider. This was made easier because of changes already required to compile with music licensing. Several knowledgeable people in this thread have previously explained the importance of a German Steam release for SG (including Ocean having a major fan base in that country).

Point 1. above is about the rework Ocean wanted to make. Points 2. to 4. above are about the reworks Ocean needed to make because of third-party restrictions.









You ARE making predictions for what may or may not happen going forward into Season 2 by prescribing all the reasons for the reworks solely to Ocean's alleged OCD. No Developer can easily plan for what happened with 2, 3, and to a lesser extent 4. above.

You prescribe future actions on reworks, despite Ocean declaring that the major three-year game rework is over with the completion of Season 1.

Without all the facts surrounding decisions made by the Developer and without seeing the consequences of these decisions one or two years from now, who the f^^k are we to rush to judgement on the quality of those decisions. I am trying to reserve any judgement or conclusions for the future.

Like I said, let's see where everything is at by this time next year.
Saying that chapter 2 will have same fate if it is a repeat of season 1 decisions makes me "he's predicting"?(y). Why didn't Ocean tame the nudity at the first issue of the music? He tried to salvage it but didn't work and had to remove music and do rework, setting up chain reactions. The decision cannot be 1 single point failure, a buncha issues line making a chain reaction. Will leave it at that, I'm tired of justifying/explaining same points. We'll see season2 for that, that is If I'm alive till then;). PEACE!

#HOPE_SG_SEASON2
 

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All style, no substance. I haven't played it yet and honestly given what I've seen so far I'll prob stick to the Beta and ignore this version. It seems really hard to defend wasting so much time and effort on pointless average renders. Like polishing a turd before you flush it...
 

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anyone know what McCoZa4x0 means?
Mc = Main character (Nika)
Za = Zara
Co / NoCo = Your interpretation. Could be coaching, controlling, companion etc.

Ocean uses weird event markers, sometimes even mixing in german. This is one of the easier ones to decipher.
 
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Edit: John972 I just reached the pizza shop scene - what if goth girl isn't looking at Nami, but her earring? Imagine if she was Leia's daughter, and saw a stranger wearing that. That'd be wild.
...and Nami is present in every scene where Goth Girl appears...

Leia's daughter? Ha, I was (tongue-in-cheek) thinking Nika's long-lost sister : )
 
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Just got to the jacuzzi scene. Call me what you want, but now I like it even more than the pre-CH5 original, with the lewds. The conversation is now improved, although the meaning is the same, it sounds more fluid and natural. Finally a good answer to the question “Why is she red?” - “You should ask her parents.” Still leaves room for interpretation, but no longer sounds ridiculous.

Nami doesn't try to mount the MC and ride him to death, and that's entirely appropriate. She's a fucking virgin with no real experience. All her experience is now from porn sites, and suddenly she takes the lead and seduces a dominant but uptight dude like the MC? Being at the visit, in an unfamiliar environment, with the people they saw the first time (except Zara) and their landlady in the next room? Come on, what is this, a porn game? :KEK:
 

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How legit is this as of now.
Based on the note on the bottom, this was accurate (based on what has been shared by Ocean, primarily on Discord) as of Dec, 2023.

Some thoughts/theories by various fans of SG:

The dark stuff is getting cut back/is gone (see the notes about dom/sub Amber & Bella content).

There are a few new teachers that are not included in the list - I have not seen anything confirming them as lewdable or no sexy time at all.

The chances for one of the new teachers to become another LI is limited/unlikely based on other comments by Ocean.

The guaranteed LI's and Zara (based on the notes for her as an LI) are, we believe, going to be LIs regardless of what happens with other women.

No harem and, sadly, I very strongly doubt that we will somehow get an Amber/Bella throuple.

We may get more refinement of this list once the dust from the Steam/Patreon/SS release of SG Season 1 settles but I am not aware of a specific timeline for any update.

Cheers!! :coffee:
PaxHadrian17 gave a good answer. You can count on most if not all of the info still being accurate I think. Ocean said that most of the LIs won't change. Only Amber, Vanessa and especially Elsa have not been confirmed to never change in the future so they might get downgraded. There are still a few LIs missing from the list and he said he won't confirm who they are as he wants to not spoil everything to us.
I will keep checking Discord every few weeks/months and update if there are news, but yeah, not expecting any for a while. He might change his mind someday. I think he has still been confirming LI status that were already known at times.
 
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