VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[N1ghtcrawler]

Have you ever noticed an interesting detail in one of your signature images?

Sooo?

What does this have to do with Nami and Nika?
I never denied that Nami could be Zane.
I wrote above that this is possible.

The only issue is the logistical one: Ocean's avoided definiing the relationship for too long and this will create more inconsistencies and interpretation errors the further the story develops. The taboo CAN work the same with a strict upbringing (which is why the discussions with Nami exist where Noji makes things weird between them), but the longer Ocean goes without clearly defining, the harder it is for people to understand the dialogue. Everyone mistakes them for a cute couple because they don't look genetically similar at all, no one gets awkward or makes a joke at their expense (more because Ocean wouldn't want to suggest it too much for patreon reasons), but the sense of what would happen if it became public is not based on a personal taboo but a societal one, which strongly suggests the relationship.

I don't quite agree. I think the inconsistencies and interpretations are what can make their relationship stand out from other stories about incest. And you can keep it until the very end if you do it right.

 

[BobTheDuck]

I don't quite agree. I think the inconsistencies and interpretations are what can make their relationship stand out from other stories about incest. And you can keep it until the very end if you do it right.

I'm fine with Ocean drawing it out, provided he has defined it in his own mind, rather than just trying to avoid the issue. Currently, the societal taboo that Nika is worried about predisposes me to thinking one particular way. Personal taboos can be over anything.

 

[RNasc4444]

And at least me and Bob stated the opposite. Nika and Nami's relationship makes sense if they're not related by blood. There's 0 sense only if they call each other roommates. That's my personal opinion and that's why the i-patch is needed. We've discussed this dozens of times already. But maybe we missed some important detail. Can you point out why this is a simple fact?

You are resourceful enough to do a new playthrough and pick up on the dozens of examples that would illustrate my point.

I can leave you with one. The most braindead obvious one. That consists of 4 little words. "Why is she red"?

Unless you are severely cognitively impaired, you can understand that there is no context in which these words make sense unless they are related BY BLOOD. Or at least are perceived as such. But here is the thing. At least 2 characters ask that question and NOT ONCE do the MC or Nami offer an explanation that they aren't related and therefore asking why Nami is a redhead makes no sense.

Why would they endure that question being asked multiple times and not once enlighten other people as to why their question is moronic? The red gene is passed down by blood even if it can skip multiple generations.

EDIT: Given that the current release is a "Frankestein's monster" level mess filled with inconsistencies resulting of multiple reworkings I can't even be sure that all of these examples are still present in that version. I do know with absolute certainty that Zara asking that question in the Jacuzzi is still in this version.

 

[mostwanted8]

You can play them as transexuals who identify as refrigerators for all I care, that's not the issue. The issue here is and always has been the simple fact that the game makes absolutely 0 sense if the MC and Nami aren't related by blood. Simple as that. I've stated this dozens of times. If Ocean intends for them not to be related then sooner or later S1 will need an entire script overhaul.

They can work as stepbro/sis. It's taboo don't you know??

I can leave you with one. The most braindead obvious one. That consists of 4 little words. "Why is she red"?

You're way off. It was just another joke aimed at redheads

 

[RNasc4444]

I'm fine with Ocean drawing it out, provided he has defined it in his own mind, rather than just trying to avoid the issue. Currently, the societal taboo that Nika is worried about predisposes me to thinking one particular way. Personal taboos can be over anything.

It boggles my mind how some users here can be so fucking dense. Do they even read the words of text in the game???? How can you play the game as if MC and Nami aren't related at all and then sit through that pre-pizza shop conversation between them and think "Well this makes sense"!?!?!?!?!?!

What in the fuck is the point of the "race with impossible odds" if they aren't related at all? Who the hell gives a flying fuck if two unrelated people who were friends since childhood/grow together get into a relationship???? Like seriously how am I the only one losing my marbles over these people's reasoning skills? How do these people function day to day?

 

[alanrock]

It boggles my mind how some users here can be so fucking dense. Do they even read the words of text in the game???? How can you play the game as if MC and Nami aren't related at all and then sit through that pre-pizza shop conversation between them and think "Well this makes sense"!?!?!?!?!?!

What in the fuck is the point of the "race with impossible odds" if they aren't related at all? Who the hell gives a flying fuck if two unrelated people who were friends since childhood/grow together get into a relationship???? Like seriously how am I the only one losing my marbles over these people's reasoning skills? How do these people function day to day?

Shh, be quiet dude, Patreon is listening .... They mostly come at night... mostly.

 

[Yourmom21]

I arrived late to the party, is Katie from the other game the same one in the bookclube scene ?

 

[Old Man Al]

I arrived late to the party, is Katie from the other game the same one in the bookclube scene ?

Yes.

 

[BobTheDuck]

It boggles my mind how some users here can be so fucking dense. Do they even read the words of text in the game???? How can you play the game as if MC and Nami aren't related at all and then sit through that pre-pizza shop conversation between them and think "Well this makes sense"!?!?!?!?!?!

What in the fuck is the point of the "race with impossible odds" if they aren't related at all? Who the hell gives a flying fuck if two unrelated people who were friends since childhood/grow together get into a relationship???? Like seriously how am I the only one losing my marbles over these people's reasoning skills? How do these people function day to day?

That's why I think it's an inconsistent approach. One one hand 'Why is she even red' 'I expected asians' while on the other 'she and her stupid no-funny-business-between-roommates rule' and 'the only reason why you'd want me out of the house, is so that you and I can bang in peace'. They're contradictory positions, with alluded evidence for both points of view.

It needs to be clearly defined and consistent, and I don't think it'll be clarified any time soon. Right now I just put it the box of too hard, and hope Maja or Ayua become LI's ...actually, I'd do that anyway, far more than I'd hope for Ocean to define the realtionship.

But seeing someone's made a mod, everyone can play to their own preferred logic.

 

[BobTheDuck]

You just gave me back hope that Zara and Vanessa are Leia and William's daughters.

Well, the thing I find interesting is most people refuse to entertain the idea of Leia being Vanessa's mum, simply because that would at some point mean Willi's been NTR'd by Nick, or that there is a canon with an LI not ending up with the MC in WiaB, or because the image of Mrs Benz in the flashback is unflattering, even though we see nothing other than a dress. There's currently nothing stopping Leia from being their mum that I'm aware of.

My personal feeling is that Kat is their mum, because Kat has a high competetive streak when Dana and tennis is mentioned, and if the heterochromia comes from Helen's genes rather than Dylan's, Kat could easily have it via Scarlet.

Or everyone in WOllust has a latent hetereochromia gene so Ocean can keep us guessing

 

[Don Sucio]

They can work as stepbro/sis. It's taboo don't you know??
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You're way off. It was just another joke aimed at redheads

To be honest i wouldn´t complain if Nami or Nika say "we are stepbrothers" and not "we are roomies". The problem is the dam word "roomie".

Of course i prefer them having a brother-sister relation but if it can´t be then at least call them step brother and step sister.

 

[Sheesh35]

I don't think so, it's an old version, before it got an update.
edit
if you're okay with major changes, try this "Android port of Summer's Gone S1 Uncut Taboo Edition"

"Infamous Patch" is a patch for several scenes, changes to character relationships and dialogue adjustments for the Steam version.

while "Uncut Mod" is a rebuild of the game by bringing in deleted / old scenes.

Thanks mate

 

[StingerWolf]

So it is not so far fetched to assume, that MC is the son of

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. He has his mother's eyes, manipulative nature, but also his father's ungabunga style and easy to toneable physique.

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Of course, I might be wrong.

 

[RNasc4444]

Of course i prefer them having a brother-sister relation but if it can´t be then at least call them step brother and step sister.

This is my dilemma. Ideally I would prefer that they not be related as I do not have an incest kink. But at the same time, their bond would be severely watered down (imo) if they were not related. I think that the strenght of their bond deeply relies on that blood relationship and it would, in my eyes, severely affect my enjoyment of the narrative and of both characters

It's a tough one.

 

[mostwanted8]

To be honest i wouldn´t complain if Nami or Nika say "we are stepbrothers" and not "we are roomies". The problem is the dam word "roomie".

So true. It doesn't make sense.

 

[BobTheDuck]

This is my dilemma. Ideally I would prefer that they not be related as I do not have an incest kink. But at the same time, their bond would be severely watered down (imo) if they were not related. I think that the strenght of their bond deeply relies on that blood relationship and it would, in my eyes, severely affect my enjoyment of the narrative and of both characters

It's a tough one.

Understood. I personally think a foster child/ward relationship works for the taboo, and it would mostly be in Nika and Nami (and Nicole's sensationalist) heads, and they'd see it the same way even though they're unrelated, even if they're not adopted either. In any case they've clearly been raised to keep each other at arms length, yet we know that Noji encourages Nika to bring girls home, and he doesn't want 'the talk' from her while she also has strict, opposite comments about their weird relationship. The foster idea goes along with her talk with Nika about the fact she never noticed any traces from him (ie she didn't have to deal with dirty laundry) like she did with others in the house (wait! What 'others?' Nami isn't a multitude) as well as Bella treating it as a halfway house/foster house when she drops him off.

But we're still no closer to discovering Ocean's actual intent.

Plausible concepts for Noji's reluctance:
- until now, they were too young for any relationship, so Noji's rules were based on age, and she hasn't yet gotten used to them being of age, especially if something happened one time
- she's getting support payments and the support group frowns upon any relationship in their wards.

I'm not saying these are true, or even that I believe them. It's simply that without further explanation, we're left wondering. We also need to understand Noji's stake in their upbringing, and why.

 

[StingerWolf]

I think they are half siblings. Same father, different mother. For Nami there are many candidates, Daphne, Miru, you name it. MC I have already elaborated.

 

[mostwanted8]

You guys have been going strong with the theories today.

 

[N1ghtcrawler]

You are resourceful enough to do a new playthrough and pick up on the dozens of examples that would illustrate my point.

Don't try to dump on me what you should do. You make your point and if I disagree, you provide arguments. That's how it's supposed to work. Otherwise, your words are empty and mean nothing.

And I don't remember you and me having any fights before, so I have no idea why you're so rude. If you're tired of discussing the same thing over and over again then say so or don't answer at all. Stick to normal conversation or it will end very quickly.

I can leave you with one. The most braindead obvious one. That consists of 4 little words. "Why is she red"?

Unless you are severely cognitively impaired, you can understand that there is no context in which these words make sense unless they are related BY BLOOD. Or at least are perceived as such. But here is the thing. At least 2 characters ask that question and NOT ONCE do the MC or Nami offer an explanation that they aren't related and therefore asking why Nami isn't a redhead makes no sense.

Why would they endure that question being asked multiple times and not once enlighten other people as to why their question is moronic?

I do know with absolute certainty that Zara asking that question in the Jacuzzi is still in this version.

Nika gives Summer the answer, we just didn't hear it.
"You asked me that a million times already."
By the time the same question is asked by Zara, he replies
"Yeah, no idea how she got to be a Cheeto."
That's the "I've heard this question a million times already" type of answer.
What's so stupid about him not answering directly here?
He has reasons to answer in this way.

It boggles my mind how some users here can be so fucking dense. Do they even read the words of text in the game???? How can you play the game as if MC and Nami aren't related at all and then sit through that pre-pizza shop conversation between them and think "Well this makes sense"!?!?!?!?!?!

What in the fuck is the point of the "race with impossible odds" if they aren't related at all? Who the hell gives a flying fuck if two unrelated people who were friends since childhood/grow together get into a relationship???? Like seriously how am I the only one losing my marbles over these people's reasoning skills? How do these people function day to day?

This is a personal issue for Nika and Nami and their understanding of what the people around them will think. Also, maybe it's normal for you and me to see them as a couple, but for example Victoria and Mila during their foursome kissing would definitely find Nami's involvement odd. Anyone who close to them and sees them as siblings would find this odd (except for Vanessa, of course). Whether they're blood-related or not is irrelevant here.

So yeah, like I said before, I don't see any problems with the story if they aren't blood related. Yet. Because we haven't faced any judgement from the public and we don't know how people around them will react to their relationship in the long term.

 

[BobTheDuck]

You guys have been going strong with the theories today.
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