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Don't try to dump on me what you should do. You make your point and if I disagree, you provide arguments. That's how it's supposed to work. Otherwise, your words are empty and mean nothing.You are resourceful enough to do a new playthrough and pick up on the dozens of examples that would illustrate my point.
I can leave you with one. The most braindead obvious one. That consists of 4 little words. "Why is she red"?
Unless you are severely cognitively impaired, you can understand that there is no context in which these words make sense unless they are related BY BLOOD. Or at least are perceived as such. But here is the thing. At least 2 characters ask that question and NOT ONCE do the MC or Nami offer an explanation that they aren't related and therefore asking why Nami isn't a redhead makes no sense.
Why would they endure that question being asked multiple times and not once enlighten other people as to why their question is moronic?
Nika gives Summer the answer, we just didn't hear it.I do know with absolute certainty that Zara asking that question in the Jacuzzi is still in this version.
This is a personal issue for Nika and Nami and their understanding of what the people around them will think. Also, maybe it's normal for you and me to see them as a couple, but for example Victoria and Mila during their foursome kissing would definitely find Nami's involvement odd. Anyone who close to them and sees them as siblings would find this odd (except for Vanessa, of course). Whether they're blood-related or not is irrelevant here.It boggles my mind how some users here can be so fucking dense. Do they even read the words of text in the game???? How can you play the game as if MC and Nami aren't related at all and then sit through that pre-pizza shop conversation between them and think "Well this makes sense"!?!?!?!?!?!
What in the fuck is the point of the "race with impossible odds" if they aren't related at all? Who the hell gives a flying fuck if two unrelated people who were friends since childhood/grow together get into a relationship???? Like seriously how am I the only one losing my marbles over these people's reasoning skills? How do these people function day to day?
I didn't mean to be rude. I have no issues with you so I apologize for the harsh tone. I was just a bit frustrated with the topic.Don't try to dump on me what you should do. You make your point and if I disagree, you provide arguments. That's how it's supposed to work. Otherwise, your words are empty and mean nothing.
And I don't remember you and me having any fights before, so I have no idea why you're so rude. If you're tired of discussing the same thing over and over again then say so or don't answer at all. Stick to normal conversation or it will end very quickly.
Nika gives Summer the answer, we just didn't hear it.
"You asked me that a million times already."
By the time the same question is asked by Zara, he replies
"Yeah, no idea how she got to be a Cheeto."
That's the "I've heard this question a million times already" type of answer.
What's so stupid about him not answering directly here?
He has reasons to answer in this way.
This is a personal issue for Nika and Nami and their understanding of what the people around them will think. Also, maybe it's normal for you and me to see them as a couple, but for example Victoria and Mila during their foursome kissing would definitely find Nami's involvement odd. Anyone who close to them and sees them as siblings would find this odd (except for Vanessa, of course). Whether they're blood-related or not is irrelevant here.
So yeah, like I said before, I don't see any problems with the story if they aren't blood related. Yet. Because we haven't faced any judgement from the public and we don't know how people around them will react to their relationship in the long term.
To me, the issue is that Ocean wants to have his cake and eat it too. He had the opportunity through the rework process to clearly define the relationship between Nika and Nami, one way or another. However, fragments of remnant dialogues mixed in with reworked dialogues utterly confuse the issue (just the same as a remnant dialogue has Vic and Maja as unrelated to each other while reworked dialogue has them as siblings). There is just too much nod-nod, wink-wink...Don't try to dump on me what you should do. You make your point and if I disagree, you provide arguments. That's how it's supposed to work. Otherwise, your words are empty and mean nothing.
And I don't remember you and me having any fights before, so I have no idea why you're so rude. If you're tired of discussing the same thing over and over again then say so or don't answer at all. Stick to normal conversation or it will end very quickly.
Nika gives Summer the answer, we just didn't hear it.
"You asked me that a million times already."
By the time the same question is asked by Zara, he replies
"Yeah, no idea how she got to be a Cheeto."
That's the "I've heard this question a million times already" type of answer.
What's so stupid about him not answering directly here?
He has reasons to answer in this way.
This is a personal issue for Nika and Nami and their understanding of what the people around them will think. Also, maybe it's normal for you and me to see them as a couple, but for example Victoria and Mila during their foursome kissing would definitely find Nami's involvement odd. Anyone who close to them and sees them as siblings would find this odd (except for Vanessa, of course). Whether they're blood-related or not is irrelevant here.
So yeah, like I said before, I don't see any problems with the story if they aren't blood related. Yet. Because we haven't faced any judgement from the public and we don't know how people around them will react to their relationship in the long term.
This is actually the thing - if people don't know they live together, they assume they're a cute couple, because there is nothing to inidicate they are related, not physical signs. When Nami mentions they're roomies, after Jeff thinks they're cute, everyone doubles down on them making a cute couple in the scene. Then Nami decides to just go with it because it happens so much. We can see that publically, no one can sense anything weird about them being a couple.I didn't say that people close to Nami and Nika would see their relationship as something illegal or taboo. I only said that they would see it as odd. Because they see them as brother and sister, because they act like brother and sister. They just don't see them as a couple. Eventually that perception will go away if they are normal people with normal views. Is it clearer now?
I asked where it's rated 18+!I do not understand what did you write. Do you mean that the movie Baise moi is rated 13+?
Stop shooting me in the backThis is actually the thing - if people don't know they live together, they assume they're a cute couple, because there is nothing to inidicate they are related, not physical signs. When Nami mentions they're roomies, after Jeff thinks they're cute, everyone doubles down on them making a cute couple in the scene. Then Nami decides to just go with it because it happens so much. We can see that publically, no one can sense anything weird about them being a couple.
You already know the answer....Hello everyone.
A few years ago, after discovering the world of visual novels, I came across Summer's Gone.
I found the writing incredibly well-crafted and the development of Nika, Nami and Bella's personalities and the ways they interact with each other extremely inspiring.
Having always loved telling stories and having a lot of experience as a 3D artist, I immediately wanted to learn how to use Daz and Ren'Py to create my own visual novel.
I found these 3 characters so visually beautiful that I wanted to work with them and so I found the assets used on the Daz store.
To summarize, I wanted to use Nika, Nami and Bella as a means of training by only keeping the relational dynamics between them, their personalities and their faces/hair.
I had fun putting them on stage, as a hobby.
The problem, which I didn't see coming until it was too late, was that over the months I found myself with a very advanced scenario and a few thousand renderings...
You see what I mean ?!!
The more time passes, the more proud I am of what I accomplished as a novice and the more I want to share it or even sell it on Steam but I don't dare.
Even if, as it stands, my story is different and the MC's past is different as well as the causes of his depression and his isolation (for example there is no Summer in my story), I still have some big scruples because in my opinion, what makes the heart of the novel Summer's Gone is the clever mix between the charisma of these 3 characters, the relational dynamics between MC and Nami (Yo!Rolls!), and between MC and Bella, (I love you , Me niether...c*nt !).
To make a long story short, although I have a different story, different causes and consequences, different events and different names and characters throughout the story, the simple fact of having the heads of these 3 characters, their states of mind and the relational dynamic between them is more than enough to pose a big dilemma for me and it frustrates me more and more.
This is why I come to you, the community, to get your opinions, your opinions on the moral dilemma that I am facing. I need to take the temperature a little to know how this would be perceived in the world of visual novels devs and fans.
Friends have told me that it's common to find the same 3D assets used in different VNs but, as I said, I think I've done a lot more than just copying 3 faces.... I have copied what I believe to be the heart of this excellent Summer's Gone.
Thank you in advance for your views on the matter and sorry for my English. Also sorry if this isn't the right place to talk about this, I'm new here.
Have a good day !
Unfortunately, yes. I already know.You already know the answer....
I think he'd be entitled to sue you if you tried to make money off of it. As you say, you haven't just copied the character looks (though given Oceans small adjustments if you have exactly (as much as is possible), then that's even worse for you), you've copied (ie, stolen) their personality, what makes the characters who they are.Unfortunately, yes. I already know.
However, if I ask the question, it is because I believe in the "fan-made" philosophy.
So...can you please elaborate a little more what you really think about this ?
Thank
Well friend, if were simply same character models it wouldnt be a big deal, but if you keep the relations the same and such a crucial part of this novel the same then yes it would be a problem.Hello everyone.
A few years ago, after discovering the world of visual novels, I came across Summer's Gone.
I found the writing incredibly well-crafted and the development of Nika, Nami and Bella's personalities and the ways they interact with each other extremely inspiring.
Having always loved telling stories and having a lot of experience as a 3D artist, I immediately wanted to learn how to use Daz and Ren'Py to create my own visual novel.
I found these 3 characters so visually beautiful that I wanted to work with them and so I found the assets used on the Daz store.
To summarize, I wanted to use Nika, Nami and Bella as a means of training by only keeping the relational dynamics between them, their personalities and their faces/hair.
I had fun putting them on stage, as a hobby.
The problem, which I didn't see coming until it was too late, was that over the months I found myself with a very advanced scenario and a few thousand renderings...
You see what I mean ?!!
The more time passes, the more proud I am of what I accomplished as a novice and the more I want to share it or even sell it on Steam but I don't dare.
Even if, as it stands, my story is different and the MC's past is different as well as the causes of his depression and his isolation (for example there is no Summer in my story), I still have some big scruples because in my opinion, what makes the heart of the novel Summer's Gone is the clever mix between the charisma of these 3 characters, the relational dynamics between MC and Nami (Yo!Rolls!), and between MC and Bella, (I love you , Me niether...c*nt !).
To make a long story short, although I have a different story, different causes and consequences, different events and different names and characters throughout the story, the simple fact of having the heads of these 3 characters, their states of mind and the relational dynamic between them is more than enough to pose a big dilemma for me and it frustrates me more and more.
This is why I come to you, the community, to get your opinions, your opinions on the moral dilemma that I am facing. I need to take the temperature a little to know how this would be perceived in the world of visual novels devs and fans.
Friends have told me that it's common to find the same 3D assets used in different VNs but, as I said, I think I've done a lot more than just copying 3 faces.... I have copied what I believe to be the heart of this excellent Summer's Gone.
Thank you in advance for your views on the matter and sorry for my English. Also sorry if this isn't the right place to talk about this, I'm new here.
Have a good day !
And of course slight change what you copied from personalitys and narrative points.Well friend, if were simply same character models it wouldnt be a big deal, but if you keep the relations the same and such a crucial part of this novel the same then yes it would be a problem.
Can't you alter the character's models or slight change them ?
Thank you for your reply. A bit rude, because you're missing the context a bit, but thank you all the same.I think he'd be entitled to sue you if you tried to make money off of it. As you say, you haven't just copied the character looks (though given Oceans small adjustments if you have exactly (as much as is possible), then that's even worse for you), you've copied (ie, stolen) their personality, what makes the characters who they are.
It's a big no no period and the 'fan made thing' is just bullshit and your hoping people will justify your decision. They won't. As I said...
...you already know the answer.
Hello !And of course slight change what you copied from personalitys and narrative points.
The thing is, they are NOT and never have been "roomies" by any (non-game) definition of the word. They're either adopted or foster children (probably the latter).This is actually the thing - if people don't know they live together, they assume they're a cute couple, because there is nothing to inidicate they are related, not physical signs. When Nami mentions they're roomies, after Jeff thinks they're cute, everyone doubles down on them making a cute couple in the scene. Then Nami decides to just go with it because it happens so much. We can see that publically, no one can sense anything weird about them being a couple.
Zara thinks they're going to be asian at first because (presumably) Nick or Vanessa (who met Noji before the dinner) told Zara Noji had kids, or Noji said she's got kids. Maybe easier to introduce yourself that way, than get into complicated stories about wards and guardians or foster homes. No one explains WHY they're not asian, it's just dropped. Then in the jacuzzi, Zara asks:
za "Why is she red?"
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d "That you'll have to ask her parents."
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za "What happened to yours?"
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d "They died in a car accident."
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za "And Nami's?"
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d "Believe it or not... The same."
It's a continuation of the previous confusion, she's still trying to work out the dynamic between these new strangers in her life.
Whether or not it's hamfisted writing right then is another matter entirely.