VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[BobTheDuck]

The thing is, they are NOT and never have been "roomies" by any (non-game) definition of the word. They're either adopted or foster children (probably the latter).

"Roomies" is presumably only mentioned because it's AVN code for a certain other relationship dynamic. There is no other reason for Nami to say it, unless she's willfully choosing to hide her status as a foster or adopted child (which I don't buy, because such reticence isn't explained or made clear in the game).

I agree with foster children or wards, and I understand the obvious logic even with those terms. Such a position is clear, concise and definitely implies no relationship beyond circumstantial living arrangements.

If I grew up with a housemate who was my best friend, what would I use as a single noun to describe our relationship that wasn't cringey? Anthing I choose would sound lame. Most of our reason for disliking the term 'roomies' is it isn't a term anyone would use in any real situation, at best I've heard people say housemate or flatmate. Mostly I hear people saying "we just live together" or "we share a house". They don't even share a room. It breaks the fourth wall as an inserted word external to the game universe, and enforces a patreon friendly approach to avoid misunderstanding. But Nami knows shit all about patreon. There's no need to define their relationship if they're unrelated.

In such a situation, I'd be like "Woah dude, we live in the same house and grew up together. Don't make it weird." It still avoids the issue of what they are defined as, but it's something I'd actually say if flustered. It also then reflects Noji's idea that they have a weird relationship. Something like that would strengthen the plot rather than break immersion, while keeping the logic as it currently is (undefined).

The majority of people have undefined relationships with each other if you think about it; in real life we mostly let people introduce themselves and take that on face value. The only thing it reveals is that they have a intimacy/synergy that makes it obvious to people observing them that they are really really close knit, closer than just living under the same roof regardless of a defined relation.

I'm also looking at the term in isolation, as it specifically breaks immersion. When Zara says "I expected asians" that feels like a more natural conversation - they get sitetracked intomeeting Vanessa rather than explaining their life story in the foyer.

Thank you for your reply. A bit rude, because you're missing the context a bit, but thank you all the same.
It's presumptuous to believe that I'm using the "fan-made" excuse to make money even with over 3500 renders created as a simple hobbyist and novice.

And I don't understand why the look would make it even worse. I bought the right to use these 3D assets in the same way as Oceans and it was not at all complicated to recreate the same faces. I even changed some details like hair colors and more. My MC even has scars.
Did you know that the figure used for Nami is also in the visual novel Love Season?!

I realize that I should have simply stopped at “share it” instead of adding “and even sell it”.
On the other hand, for personalities, it is on this point where I agree and which posed a moral problem for me, even if I strongly doubt that this is enough to be taken to court since they have nothing iconic. Even Sonic or Mario, much more iconic personnalities, have fan-made ones.

Brief. I am scrupulous enough to know that your message alone is enough to make me forget about the possibility of being able to sell it. I simply wanted to be exhaustive in my approach to get fair feedback.
Let's forget about selling it and just stick to the idea of sharing it.
I'm waiting to have a little more opinion before knowing if I should put all this in the "trash".

Thank

As far as fan made goes, clearly stating it's fanfiction and sharing it without seeking financial game does keep it as fan art. That should be fine. *Should be*. Keep in mind that as fan fiction, you'll be doubly judged - not just for the content you've developed, but for your inspiration - you'll be continually compared to something that get's criticised here in quite a polarised way. Are you comfortable with that criticism?

By the way, your description doesn't sound like you've copied much, you've just been heavily inspired by the type of story. and the look of the story. Nika is not a street racer, yours is. Bella and Nika are unrelated, Yours are. Nami and Bella are not friends, yours are. GOing to university is not something unusual. Starting from there, I can't see how there would be much parallel, and would suggest it's not fan fiction, just that you've been inspired to write a VN and you liked the looks.

Also, you've already done it, why would you trash it? If it brings you pleasure to do it, you can keep doing it for yourself in private regardless of anyone else. That is already a sufficent outcome.

 

[Mr_Mister]

It boggles my mind how some users here can be so fucking dense. Do they even read the words of text in the game???? How can you play the game as if MC and Nami aren't related at all and then sit through that pre-pizza shop conversation between them and think "Well this makes sense"!?!?!?!?!?!

What in the fuck is the point of the "race with impossible odds" if they aren't related at all? Who the hell gives a flying fuck if two unrelated people who were friends since childhood/grow together get into a relationship???? Like seriously how am I the only one losing my marbles over these people's reasoning skills? How do these people function day to day?

 

[Mr_Mister]

Nika met Summer's parents, who called him trash. Nika would remember Katie, just as much as he recognised Elsa. Katie would also still probably think he was trash. Katie being present while Summer is still gone would imply Summer is dead though.

Nika also remembers (or thinks he does) his mother reading to him. So, chances are he'll recognise someone's voice or there will be dialogue about how comforting the voice is if his mother isn't dead and he's been lied to.

I think that Mc never met Summer's parents.
the only information we had about it , is Elsa mentioning that her mother thinks Mc is trash and that Summer was blind by love and she will end up living on a trailer park if she keeps hanging out with Mc.

 

[BobTheDuck]

I think that Mc never met Summer's parents.
the only information we had about it , is Elsa mentioning that her mother thinks Mc is trash and that Summer was blind by love and she will end up living on a trailer park if she keeps hanging out with Mc.
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Nope, Nika mentions they said it direct to his face when you take Vic for a walk:

d "Normal is what made Summer's parents resent me."
scene ae850 with dssa
v "Don't take it personally."
scene ae849 with dssa
d "They told me to my face that I was nothing but shit."
scene ae852 with dssa
v "They obvi-"
scene ae851 with dssa
d "I know Vic. I know that I'm not shit... I know that they were the trash."
stop music fadeout 3.0
d "But still, I would've made peace with that trash for Summer."

 

[Mr_Mister]

Nope, Nika mentions they said it direct to his face when you take Vic for a walk:

d "Normal is what made Summer's parents resent me."
scene ae850 with dssa
v "Don't take it personally."
scene ae849 with dssa
d "They told me to my face that I was nothing but shit."
scene ae852 with dssa
v "They obvi-"
scene ae851 with dssa
d "I know Vic. I know that I'm not shit... I know that they were the trash."
stop music fadeout 3.0
d "But still, I would've made peace with that trash for Summer."

i never saw that , because i'd always avoid Vic and Mila as much as i cant , (i wish you can avoid going to Vic's house and stay in Nick's house getting to know Zara and Vanessa more)
Vic and Mila are easily the most boring characters in the game so far , followed very close by Maja.

 

[Deleted member 6168082]

I want Mila and Helen to suffocate me with their boobs and butts.

Find them in real life. Don't let your dreams be dreams.

Nika's name is Madison (yes, a girl's name storyline's reasons).


Nami's name is Maeby and she was Madison's twin sister's best friend.


Bella's name is Dakota.

Sorry, I puked in my mouth. The names are already enough for me to puke. Thanks but no.

Take care now, bye bye then.

 

[Mr_Mister]

Ofc he isn't dead. The red haired big boobed pornstar lady asks Katie how Willi is doing in the book club.

But think, if they are sending the kids away to keep them safe, why in God's green Earth would they tell them anything truthful??? You don't want them asking questions. You don't want them trying to find out the truth. You want to give them something definite that would keep them at bay.

if they gave the kids to Nojiko to keeps them safe , why she made the stupid mistake of living in the same city?

 

[BobTheDuck]

i never saw that , because i'd always avoid Vic and Mila as much as i cant , (i wish you can avoid going to Vic's house and stay in Nick's house getting to know Zara and Vanessa more)
Vic and Mila are easily the most boring characters in the game so far , followed very close by Maja.

Even if I'm not interested in a character, I've learned with Ocean it's often worth doing a play through of each path, as different info is revealed on each. For example, if you don't say you make a great team with Bella, you get a different locker room scene, and that leads to a flashback later in the game. So many dialogues are mutually exclusive and can't bee seen on one playthrough, so to get a full overview, multiple plays are needed.

Maja is only boring because we have no interaction with her in any meaningful way. I'm sure she will be more interesting as a coach.

 

[Adhdclassic]

I noticed Nika asked Nami how long Nojiko was going to the book club she says ever since we got here. Which means they didn't always live there, we know they went to tropic high school. Where were they before?

 

[Adhdclassic]

Just because some people say they are doesn't make them it. I think they were both just orphaned at the same time (game logic) they grew up and grew close to each other. Have a brother/sister like bond but also, more than that.

The brother/sister bond for orphans. If you were an orphan and grew close to another boy/girl, they would be your what, brother/sister, right? you both get adopted by the same person/people, you guys won't stop the brotherly/sisterly bond.

Well, more like "naughty, sister/brother" bond lol



I mean, if I was desperate for these characters to be related, and if I could make a patch? best believe it'll be out with whatever version is out lol. When people want something and want it bad, they on it.



Well, they should make up their dumb ass minds. So many games from back then that link to this/that, I don't want to hear their lame excuses. Makes me not want to risk buying shit on there anymore... can't download shit from here cause of the shady downloads now... I can quit cold turkey, right? nothing wrong with quitting....

I meant Blood related should have put that in. I agree on your sibling statement.

 

[imzahai]

I noticed Nika asked Nami how long Nojiko was going to the book club she says ever since we got here. Which means they didn't always live there, we know they went to tropic high school. Where were they before?

since they take the bus to get to the College, the implication would be they went to their local highschool; Nia does as well and went to the same high school.

 

[PaxHadrian17]

Thank you for your reply. A bit rude, because you're missing the context a bit, but thank you all the same.
It's presumptuous to believe that I'm using the "fan-made" excuse to make money even with over 3500 renders created as a simple hobbyist and novice.

And I don't understand why the look would make it even worse. I bought the right to use these 3D assets in the same way as Oceans and it was not at all complicated to recreate the same faces. I even changed some details like hair colors and more. My MC even has scars.
Did you know that the figure used for Nami is also in the visual novel Love Season?!

I realize that I should have simply stopped at “share it” instead of adding “and even sell it”.
On the other hand, for personalities, it is on this point where I agree and which posed a moral problem for me, even if I strongly doubt that this is enough to be taken to court since they have nothing iconic. Even Sonic or Mario, much more iconic personnalities, have fan-made ones.

Brief. I am scrupulous enough to know that your message alone is enough to make me forget about the possibility of being able to sell it. I simply wanted to be exhaustive in my approach to get fair feedback.
Let's forget about selling it and just stick to the idea of sharing it.
I'm waiting to have a little more opinion before knowing if I should put all this in the "trash".

Thank

A number of us have been inspired by Ocean and his characters/storytelling.

For example, he's posted renders that are not canon (on Patreon and SS) and I've posted a 'what if' scenario here using those renders and telling a 'scene' - in my case with Amber, Bella and including the MC as someone who is with them but not in the 4 renders he provided.

This was a share only here on this thread with never a mention of trying to make money from it.

MANY of us have written about scenes we see coming later in SG (I'll use myself and the upcoming MC/Amber cabin visit as an example), based on the current plots - it is something we do to pass the time while we wait for the next release of SG.

We are invested in this AVN, these characters and the intricate story Ocean is telling across not just SG but also WIAB - which impacts/will impact SG.

You got far more motivated to write/create than I did, creating a story with thousands of renders and, in your words, preserving at least some of the unique interactions of three of SG's main characters as the central pillar of your story.

If you genuinely want to share it but don't want to risk negative fallout from the creator of SG - Ocean, then I recommend reaching out to him directly.

Ask him yourself and see what his reaction is, then decide whether to continue to create this story for your own use or to share it as fan art.

Another option is to take the skills you have built and decide to write your own AVN, leaving the shadows of another's creation to walk a path your own.

This new story would be one you could put on Patreon/SS and sell, as well as sharing it on F95.

This is your creativity given inspiration - and if you enjoy the act of creating, there is nothing to stop you from creating other journeys.

Whatever you choose - GLHF!

Cheers!!

 

[Adhdclassic]

Even if I'm not interested in a character, I've learned with Ocean it's often worth doing a play through of each path, as different info is revealed on each. For example, if you don't say you make a great team with Bella, you get a different locker room scene, and that leads to a flashback later in the game. So many dialogues are mutually exclusive and can't bee seen on one playthrough, so to get a full overview, multiple plays are needed.

Maja is only boring because we have no interaction with her in any meaningful way. I'm sure she will be more interesting as a coach.

Maja tells Nika if he misses one shot she will tie him to the chair and give him 20 lashes. He misses 20.

 

[Don Sucio]

So yeah, like I said before, I don't see any problems with the story if they aren't blood related. Yet. Because we haven't faced any judgement from the public and we don't know how people around them will react to their relationship in the long term.

This is one of the causes why i want them to be related, like brother-sister or at least stepbro-stepsis relation. I look to the blonde reporter and the warning of one of the basket players, i think one of the best opportunities for this reporter to have a big news about Nika is a posible video or photo about them making out in the bathroom or something worse (better for me) like a blowjob os whatever, something usual in univeristy bathrooms btw...

So if they are not related no one will probably give a fuck about that news but if they are related... Carefull. That´s why i want them to be related because Ocean will provide us with many problems and dangerous sitations due to their relationship, i think this was one of the intention of Regium and Ocean himself, more drama for the plot. If they are not related like now the plot pretends this scenarios won´t be logical and i really think Nami-Nika relationship will have important problems in the story.

 

[AlexFXR]

I asked where it's rated 18+!

Where I live it's not PG, means a 13 year old may watch it!

Do you understand?

Wow, in your country porn is shown on central television during the day and children can watch it? I didn’t know there was a country without censorship on television.

 

[AlexFXR]

Thank you in advance for your views on the matter and sorry for my English. Also sorry if this isn't the right place to talk about this, I'm new here.

You can do as you want, especially since Nami and Bella have nothing to do with Ocean, he copied them himself. And don’t listen to stupid white knights, they will always be against copying and Ocean will not be able to sue you.

 

[Adhdclassic]

Didn't Victoria have a different name when SG came out originally?

 

[Tremonia]

Didn't Victoria have a different name when SG came out originally?

The name was dynamic if I remember correctly.

 

[a-lex]

can anyone teach me how to search on thread about something? i'm searcing for dev log but it keeps showing me the posts from 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023. i did advanced search but there is nothing

long story short, i need the dev log of the previous week

 

[JazzR]

As far as fan made goes, clearly stating it's fanfiction and sharing it without seeking financial game does keep it as fan art. That should be fine. *Should be*. Keep in mind that as fan fiction, you'll be doubly judged - not just for the content you've developed, but for your inspiration - you'll be continually compared to something that get's criticised here in quite a polarised way. Are you comfortable with that criticism?

By the way, your description doesn't sound like you've copied much, you've just been heavily inspired by the type of story. and the look of the story. Nika is not a street racer, yours is. Bella and Nika are unrelated, Yours are. Nami and Bella are not friends, yours are. GOing to university is not something unusual. Starting from there, I can't see how there would be much parallel, and would suggest it's not fan fiction, just that you've been inspired to write a VN and you liked the looks.

Also, you've already done it, why would you trash it? If it brings you pleasure to do it, you can keep doing it for yourself in private regardless of anyone else. That is already a sufficent outcome.

Good morning.

Thank you for your message.

I admit that I don't know when we can stop calling a creation "fan fiction" and when we can start calling it an "inspired story".
That's why I'm here asking the question.

My version of Nami (Maeby) has her own way of saying hello. Instead of saying "Yo!" she squints, puffing out her cheeks, without saying anything. And instead of having a passion for rolls, she loves red Skittles candies and only red ones, having a deep hatred for other colors.
But she keeps this same relational dynamic that she has with people. A little unstable, unpredictable, crazy, very energetic due to her high candy consumption and very protective of MC and she always secretely loved him.

As for my version of Bella (Dakota), we can sometimes see her personality in the few flashbacks which show us a little more of MC's past. We see that she liked to be hated. She felt superior to everyone and even though they loved each other like brother and sister with a special twin bond, they kept insulting each other with complicity, like cats and dogs.
On the other hand, it was only with Maeby that she was sweet, kind and extremely protective with the desire to unite Maeby and MC in a romantic relationship because MC had no desire to find a girlfriend.
The spiritual love and unbreakable bond he had with his twin sister was enough for him and he didn't feel romantic or sexual desire towards anyone because of that.

In summary, we see that the temperament, personality and relational dynamics remain rather the same for these 3 characters.
This is what poses a problem to me and makes me feel like I'm copying.

Regarding the first part of your post, the answer is no. I don't feel comfortable with the idea of being doubly judged and criticized. I am an extremely sensitive person and I have to be very careful.

Finally, “put in the trash” was a way of saying that it would continue to gather dust in the depths of my PC.
But if I am here today, it was obviously because a part of me is proud of it with the desire to do something with it.
I just wanted to know how it would be received if I shared it and why not get an idea of where the legitimacy starts and stops to make some financial profit from it but I think I was clumsy in my first message.

I think I have my answer now. I'm so afraid now that I will keep it for myself but I will no longer work on it.
This conversation scared and discouraged me a bit.
But that's probably a good thing because maybe I'll think about starting from scratch with something totally original.
(Even if it is difficult to know in advance if you are copying the appearance of an already existing character because of the ease of reproducing them with 3D Daz assets).

For Nika, I only needed 3 clicks. Import actor Shane HD, add Lyall hair and modify chin cleft.
For Nami, it was easy too. 3 clicks. Import Sinisa HD, add Linda hair and add some Cami SASSE in the face.
On the other hand for Bella, even if it was just as simple to recreate it thanks to Katie HD and Linda hair, (2 clicks), I actually had to go further by removing the basic eyebrows and adding another eyebrow thanks to “Super Natural Brows Merchant Resource for Genesis 8 and 3 Female”.
This is perhaps unconsciously the reason why I wanted to make her a dead character who we would only see in flashbacks.

In any case, thank you everyone for reading and taking the time to respond.

Have a good day !