Shh, be quiet dude, Patreon is listening .... They mostly come at night... mostly.
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That's why I think it's an inconsistent approach. One one hand 'Why is she even red' 'I expected asians' while on the other 'she and her stupid no-funny-business-between-roommates rule' and 'the only reason why you'd want me out of the house, is so that you and I can bang in peace'. They're contradictory positions, with alluded evidence for both points of view.
It needs to be clearly defined and consistent, and I don't think it'll be clarified any time soon. Right now I just put it the box of too hard, and hope Maja or Ayua become LI's ...actually, I'd do that anyway, far more than I'd hope for Ocean to define the realtionship.
But seeing someone's made a mod, everyone can play to their own preferred logic.
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Well, the thing I find interesting is most people refuse to entertain the idea of Leia being Vanessa's mum, simply because that would at some point mean Willi's been NTR'd by Nick, or that there is a canon with an LI not ending up with the MC in WiaB, or because the image of Mrs Benz in the flashback is unflattering, even though we see nothing other than a dress. There's currently nothing stopping Leia from being their mum that I'm aware of.
My personal feeling is that Kat is their mum, because Kat has a high competetive streak when Dana and tennis is mentioned, and if the heterochromia comes from Helen's genes rather than Dylan's, Kat could easily have it via Scarlet.
Or everyone in WOllust has a latent hetereochromia gene so Ocean can keep us guessing
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To be honest i wouldn´t complain if Nami or Nika say "we are stepbrothers" and not "we are roomies". The problem is the dam word "roomie".They can work as stepbro/sis. It's taboo don't you know??
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You're way off. It was just another joke aimed at redheads
Of course i prefer them having a brother-sister relation but if it can´t be then at least call them step brother and step sister.
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So it is not so far fetched to assume, that MC is the son of
. He has his mother's eyes, manipulative nature, but also his father's ungabunga style and easy to toneable physique.
Of course, I might be wrong.
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This is my dilemma. Ideally I would prefer that they not be related as I do not have an incest kink. But at the same time, their bond would be severely watered down (imo) if they were not related. I think that the strenght of their bond deeply relies on that blood relationship and it would, in my eyes, severely affect my enjoyment of the narrative and of both characters
It's a tough one.
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Understood. I personally think a foster child/ward relationship works for the taboo, and it would mostly be in Nika and Nami (and Nicole's sensationalist) heads, and they'd see it the same way even though they're unrelated, even if they're not adopted either. In any case they've clearly been raised to keep each other at arms length, yet we know that Noji encourages Nika to bring girls home, and he doesn't want 'the talk' from her while she also has strict, opposite comments about their weird relationship. The foster idea goes along with her talk with Nika about the fact she never noticed any traces from him (ie she didn't have to deal with dirty laundry) like she did with others in the house (wait! What 'others?' Nami isn't a multitude) as well as Bella treating it as a halfway house/foster house when she drops him off.This is my dilemma. Ideally I would prefer that they not be related as I do not have an incest kink. But at the same time, their bond would be severely watered down (imo) if they were not related. I think that the strenght of their bond deeply relies on that blood relationship and it would, in my eyes, severely affect my enjoyment of the narrative and of both characters
It's a tough one.
But we're still no closer to discovering Ocean's actual intent.
Plausible concepts for Noji's reluctance:
- until now, they were too young for any relationship, so Noji's rules were based on age, and she hasn't yet gotten used to them being of age, especially if something happened one time
- she's getting support payments and the support group frowns upon any relationship in their wards.
I'm not saying these are true, or even that I believe them. It's simply that without further explanation, we're left wondering. We also need to understand Noji's stake in their upbringing, and why.
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I think they are half siblings. Same father, different mother. For Nami there are many candidates, Daphne, Miru, you name it. MC I have already elaborated.
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You guys have been going strong with the theories today.
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Don't try to dump on me what you should do. You make your point and if I disagree, you provide arguments. That's how it's supposed to work. Otherwise, your words are empty and mean nothing.
And I don't remember you and me having any fights before, so I have no idea why you're so rude. If you're tired of discussing the same thing over and over again then say so or don't answer at all. Stick to normal conversation or it will end very quickly.
Nika gives Summer the answer, we just didn't hear it.
"You asked me that a million times already."
By the time the same question is asked by Zara, he replies
"Yeah, no idea how she got to be a Cheeto."
That's the "I've heard this question a million times already" type of answer.
What's so stupid about him not answering directly here?
He has reasons to answer in this way.
This is a personal issue for Nika and Nami and their understanding of what the people around them will think. Also, maybe it's normal for you and me to see them as a couple, but for example Victoria and Mila during their foursome kissing would definitely find Nami's involvement odd. Anyone who close to them and sees them as siblings would find this odd (except for Vanessa, of course). Whether they're blood-related or not is irrelevant here.
So yeah, like I said before, I don't see any problems with the story if they aren't blood related. Yet. Because we haven't faced any judgement from the public and we don't know how people around them will react to their relationship in the long term.
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I didn't mean to be rude. I have no issues with you so I apologize for the harsh tone. I was just a bit frustrated with the topic.
Regarding the Zara question, I feel like you keep dancing around the issue. WHY was the question asked? More than once I might add. Would you approach a red haired person on the street to ask them why they are red? If a friend of yours introduced you to a red haired person, would you ask that question? Of course not. Why? Because there is no plausible reason to. So why on Earth would anyone ask the MC and Nami that? The answer is simple. It's because they are related and one of them is red haired and the other is not. That's WHY THAT QUESTION IS ASKED. It's simple. It's obvious. There is no other reason for that question to be asked, ever, in the history of mankind, between two functioning parties.
Not sure how to reply to your last 2 paragraphs... You believe they are related but not blood related? Is that it? You also say that "whether they're blood-related or not is irrelevant here" while it is not. It is extremely relevant. IN FACT IT'S THE ONLY THING THAT IS RELEVANT in the entire subject. What is irrelevant is how they are perceived. That has no bearing on anything. Simply put:
Blood related = frowned upon or straight up wrong/illegal in modern society
Not blood related = literally no one gives a flying fuck in modern society
I honestly don't know what kind of upbringing or culture you were raised in that has a negative view on a relationship between 2 people completely unrelated to each other that for some reason grew up together. As far as I know that isn't taboo anywhere...
To me, the issue is that Ocean wants to have his cake and eat it too. He had the opportunity through the rework process to clearly define the relationship between Nika and Nami, one way or another. However, fragments of remnant dialogues mixed in with reworked dialogues utterly confuse the issue (just the same as a remnant dialogue has Vic and Maja as unrelated to each other while reworked dialogue has them as siblings). There is just too much nod-nod, wink-wink...
To anyone saying Nika and Nami's relationship CANNOT be TABOO UNLESS they ARE related, I say, Bollocks! Get in the real world.
Nika and Nami were taken into care by Nojiko from a VERY young age. For all intents and purposes, they have been raised as siblings, even if they're not blood-related. That is how society would generally view them. Also, REMEMBER, they are only newly-minted adults, legally, so they haven't had latitude to have a relationship, especially while under Nojiko's care/roof.
SG could slot into this canon or something similar with very little effort. But, alas, SG remains a contradictory mess on the status of the Nika/Nami relationship, as has been pointed out many, many times before. I can only reasonably conclude this is a 100% deliberate choice by the Dev, and that's a shame.
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This is actually the thing - if people don't know they live together, they assume they're a cute couple, because there is nothing to inidicate they are related, not physical signs. When Nami mentions they're roomies, after Jeff thinks they're cute, everyone doubles down on them making a cute couple in the scene. Then Nami decides to just go with it because it happens so much. We can see that publically, no one can sense anything weird about them being a couple.
Zara thinks they're going to be asian at first because (presumably) Nick or Vanessa (who met Noji before the dinner) told Zara Noji had kids, or Noji said she's got kids. Maybe easier to introduce yourself that way, than get into complicated stories about wards and guardians or foster homes. No one explains WHY they're not asian, it's just dropped. Then in the jacuzzi, Zara asks:
za "Why is she red?"
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d "That you'll have to ask her parents."
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za "What happened to yours?"
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d "They died in a car accident."
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za "And Nami's?"
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d "Believe it or not... The same."
It's a continuation of the previous confusion, she's still trying to work out the dynamic between these new strangers in her life.
Whether or not it's hamfisted writing right then is another matter entirely.
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I asked where it's rated 18+!
Where I live it's not PG, means a 13 year old may watch it!
Do you understand?
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Stop shooting me in the back
Are you sure that you can always accurately distinguish siblings from a couple if there is no similarity in appearance between them and they do not behave like a 100% couple, that is, they do not kiss, for example? I have a sister. We are not alike. There were cases when we were also confused with a couple.
I see your point, but the fact that they declared themselves siblings in front of them now creates a line in their behavior that, in people minds, siblings should not cross. And even if they are not related by blood, it will still cause some confusion.
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