VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[hermit_tr]

That's not the brother of the basketball team leader, you know the faggot with long hands and a history of sexual harassment?

I don't know if he's gay, I think he was just kidding , but he is Dwight.

 

[Ray_D]

I don't know if he's gay, I think he was just kidding , but he is Dwight.

I don't know man, I'd rather not risk it and find out. We don't want poor nika to have a new trauma.

 

[PaxHadrian17]

thanks for replying...I can't believe that after all this time the update was only 5 minutes long???

CH 5 Beta was the last continuation of the story.

CH 5 Full was the end of the rework of earlier content:

Spoiler: change log CH 5 Full

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If you did not restart SG with the release of CH 5 Full, then yes - it would be a very short update since everything that changed in the above changelog would be missed.

I started a new playthrough so I could enjoy all of the content in sequence and to make sure that I would have working saves to bring into Season 2.

Cheers!!

 

[Mr_Mister]

Brother...you're my hero for even trying but trust me...that's a fight not worth fighting.

They know all this. They know Ocean. It's grandstanding. It's misdirection. Call it what you want. I know it's frustrating sometimes but you have to go with it.

I damn near lose my mind whenever BobTheDuck says he thinks the game "flows better" now. When all I can see is Frankestein's monster. Its a mishmash of ideas Ocean had along the way. A jumble of contradictions and senseless vague scenes. It's like it was made by five different people with 5 different ideas for the story and characters but they're all Ocean. Ocean from 5 years ago, Ocean from 4 years ago, Ocean from 3 years ago etc... He can claim all he wants that the "scripts are finished", we all know that he is a night's sleep away from changing the entire narrative at a whim. How many last names has Nojiko had?

If in the next update Mila would just show up as a dark skinned, bald trans woman would I be the least bit surprised? Fuck no!!! Because it's Ocean! It's what he does! It's what he's always done! What you see as real and factual in the game today, can be the exact opposite tomorrowand if you ask Ocean, he'll tell that was always the plan and that was always how he intended it to be. It's like being gaslit in real time by a fucking AVN developer. BITCH I KNOW WHAT I SAW AND WHAT I READ!

RNasc4444 , you're using the wrong analogy .
after so much inconsistencies because all those re-writes , re-does ,re_takes and re-makes ,
Summer's Gone is not like the Frankenstein monster , is more like .............

oh! how about that ? , even looks like a few of the retouches Ocean did to some characters .

 

[PaxHadrian17]

For those of us who like to look for easter eggs and speculate about certain events, I bring:

Spoiler: Claire Bingo

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I think it would be great if Ocean would give us an updated image every/every other chapter showing Claire's updates including a ? mark or two that she will have to verify.

It would be fun if her character was developed a bit more to include sleuthing, Claire doing her own investigative work because she is bored and curious... (outside of her introspection, we could see Claire being a voyeur at certain events - one of her fetishes).

Ocean could even have a bit of fun in between chapter releases and use Discord to drop this image with a few ? marks over certain events to tease that one of these is coming in the next release.

It would certainly give us a bit of fuel for discussion while we wait for our next release of SG.

Cheers!!

 

[Doomyk]

Wait,does Amber still officially Bella's mom?

 

[RNasc4444]

Wait,does Amber still officially Bella's mom?

Who even knows anymore?

My guess is...yes? For now Amber seems to be Bella's landlady.

EDIT: She may turn out to be adopted too who knows? I wouldn't completely rule out some sort of entity mass producing children to be adopted by Wollust randoms

 

[Overlxord]

Can someone put all the DLC links?

 

[Don Sucio]

Wait,does Amber still officially Bella's mom?

Who even knows anymore?

My guess is...yes? For now Amber seems to be Bella's landlady.

EDIT: She may turn out to be adopted too who knows? I wouldn't completely rule out some sort of entity mass producing children to be adopted by Wollust randoms

Ocean definitely can´t do that, i mean, if he does that i will change my patreon subscription for a hitman subscription, it will take time, but i will be able to hire one at some point

 

[BobTheDuck]

Brother...you're my hero for even trying but trust me...that's a fight not worth fighting.

They know all this. They know Ocean. It's grandstanding. It's misdirection. Call it what you want. I know it's frustrating sometimes but you have to go with it.

I damn near lose my mind whenever BobTheDuck says he thinks the game "flows better" now. When all I can see is Frankestein's monster. Its a mishmash of ideas Ocean had along the way. A jumble of contradictions and senseless vague scenes. It's like it was made by five different people with 5 different ideas for the story and characters but they're all Ocean. Ocean from 5 years ago, Ocean from 4 years ago, Ocean from 3 years ago etc... He can claim all he wants that the "scripts are finished", we all know that he is a night's sleep away from changing the entire narrative at a whim. How many last names has Nojiko had?

If in the next update Mila would just show up as a dark skinned, bald trans woman would I be the least bit surprised? Fuck no!!! Because it's Ocean! It's what he does! It's what he's always done! What you see as real and factual in the game today, can be the exact opposite tomorrowand if you ask Ocean, he'll tell that was always the plan and that was always how he intended it to be. It's like being gaslit in real time by a fucking AVN developer. BITCH I KNOW WHAT I SAW AND WHAT I READ!

Oh man, my intention was not cause you mental anguish, there's enough of that shit in real life!

What I meant was, a lot of things I found average in Ch2/Ch3 releases actually made more sense. It was already frankenstein back then too. Ayua's first model in Ch1 was the first thing to be reworked. The thing about the Frohn's - that was all kinds of odd from back then, now finally it makes sense. Back then it was probably from when Ocean had Maja as a LI originally. Once she got demoted with no threesome sexy times planned, there's no need for Ocean to pretend they're not related.

My mental layout of the game is that of Nika and Nami being half siblings, but not being interested in Nami's path, it doesn't change anything for me. Foster kids, whatever, doesn't change how close they feel to each other in my playthroughs. To me it's like seeing Harrison Ford in Star Wars vs Indiana Jones: only the first time as a kid did I wonder what happened to Chewbacca in Indiana Jones. If I have to read between the lines for every Hollywood actor, I manage okay with VN's.

But yeah - about flow, I literally meant that there were a lot fewer things that derailed me on my playthrough, now compared to earlier. There are also things I miss, like the Summer and Nika animation. There are some things I really find pointless, like the wiggly. Most of the problems are because Ocean tried to keep it developing while reworking. Wiab has it's flaws, but it's a heck of a lot more consistent, simply because you can't see all the eraser marks from the drafts. And the biggest question is, what would a new player who hasn't seen the development from Ch1, who has only seen season 1 think? Our memories make it impossible to see it as it is now without referencing the things we remember.

I'm remaining pretty hopeful that Ocean will be in a better position for S2, simply because all obligations to external parties that could derail the game have been dealt with, it's out, full published. S2 Ocean won't have to pussyfoot around steam and music licenses, only patreon. Anyways, we'll keep going around this same discussion, periodically while we wait for updates, and new posters raise the same questions we already know are unsolvable.

thanks for replying...I can't believe that after all this time the update was only 5 minutes long???

Ch5 Beta was the new story content, Ch5 full added the last portion of the reworks to Ch2 and 3, as others have mentioned.

Apart from being the daughter of a Russian mobster. No I can't think of another theory, you'll have to wait for the second season for more information.

In original WiaB, Elena was actually a lawyer (hired by the unknown organisation), not mob at all.

Can someone put all the DLC links?

If you've downloaded from here, they're already in the game folder. You have to manually access them.

 

[Overlxord]

Oh man, my intention was not cause you mental anguish, there's enough of that shit in real life!

What I meant was, a lot of things I found average in Ch2/Ch3 releases actually made more sense. It was already frankenstein back then too. Ayua's first model in Ch1 was the first thing to be reworked. The thing about the Frohn's - that was all kinds of odd from back then, now finally it makes sense. Back then it was probably from when Ocean had Maja as a LI originally. Once she got demoted with no threesome sexy times planned, there's no need for Ocean to pretend they're not related.

My mental layout of the game is that of Nika and Nami being half siblings, but not being interested in Nami's path, it doesn't change anything for me. Foster kids, whatever, doesn't change how close they feel to each other in my playthroughs. To me it's like seeing Harrison Ford in Star Wars vs Indiana Jones: only the first time as a kid did I wonder what happened to Chewbacca in Indiana Jones. If I have to read between the lines for every Hollywood actor, I manage okay with VN's.

But yeah - about flow, I literally meant that there were a lot fewer things that derailed me on my playthrough, now compared to earlier. There are also things I miss, like the Summer and Nika animation. There are some things I really find pointless, like the wiggly. Most of the problems are because Ocean tried to keep it developing while reworking. Wiab has it's flaws, but it's a heck of a lot more consistent, simply because you can't see all the eraser marks from the drafts. And the biggest question is, what would a new player who hasn't seen the development from Ch1, who has only seen season 1 think? Our memories make it impossible to see it as it is now without referencing the things we remember.

I'm remaining pretty hopeful that Ocean will be in a better position for S2, simply because all obligations to external parties that could derail the game have been dealt with, it's out, full published. S2 Ocean won't have to pussyfoot around steam and music licenses, only patreon. Anyways, we'll keep going around this same discussion, periodically while we wait for updates, and new posters raise the same questions we already know are unsolvable.



Ch5 Beta was the new story content, Ch5 full added the last portion of the reworks to Ch2 and 3, as others have mentioned.



In original WiaB, Elena was actually a lawyer (hired by the unknown organisation), not mob at all.



If you've downloaded from here, they're already in the game folder. You have to manually access them.

I tried to access manually but it doesn't work

 

[RNasc4444]

Oh man, my intention was not cause you mental anguish, there's enough of that shit in real life!

Just a figure of speech. I wouldn't keep coming back here if I didn't enjoy the discussion

I definitely agree with your post and can even understand your perspective. But there are so many things that frustrate me. Even not too long ago I believe it was you that made a post regarding the layout of the city of Wollust. I read the whole thing and it left me even more depressed because I realized that even after an entire season of "world building", Ocean failed miserably at it, imo. I find myself unable to paint a clear picture of what the town looks like. Unable to understand most characters because everything is vague. Everything is surface level. There is no anchor to ground the story. Everything in this story seems to be in a permanent state of flux. I feel like there is nothing I can hold onto. No piece of solid land I can start navigating the story from that won't just crumble away beneath my feet.

Don't let Maviarab see this but at this point, having done a new playthrough of both games, I have to admit that even though I don't much care for it, WiAB is the far superior game. In almost every regard. Like you said it's more focused, more grounded, more reliable and easier to understand. Even the dialogue is stronger. And that sucks for SG

 

[RNasc4444]

I tried to access manually but it doesn't work

It's literally these 4 folders inside the game files, what do you mean it doesn't work? Just double click and open the images/songs...

 

[Maviarab]

Don't let Maviarab see this but at this point, having done a new playthrough of both games, I have to admit that even though I don't much care for it, WiAB is the far superior game. In almost every regard. Like you said it's more focused, more grounded, more reliable and easier to understand. Even the dialogue is stronger.

Goood..GOOOOD.....GOOOOOOOOOD....

 

[BobTheDuck]

Just a figure of speech. I wouldn't keep coming back here if I didn't enjoy the discussion

I definitely agree with your post and can even understand your perspective. But there are so many things that frustrate me. Even not too long ago I believe it was you that made a post regarding the layout of the city of Wollust. I read the whole thing and it left me even more depressed because I realized that even after an entire season of "world building", Ocean failed miserably at it, imo. I find myself unable to paint a clear picture of what the town looks like. Unable to understand most characters because everything is vague. Everything is surface level. There is no anchor to ground the story. Everything in this story seems to be in a permanent state of flux. I feel like there is nothing I can hold onto. No piece of solid land I can start navigating the story from that won't just crumble away beneath my feet.

Don't let Maviarab see this but at this point, having done a new playthrough of both games, I have to admit that even though I don't much care for it, WiAB is the far superior game. In almost every regard. Like you said it's more focused, more grounded, more reliable and easier to understand. Even the dialogue is stronger. And that sucks for SG

Excellent

In gneral, all agreed. It's frustrating, but there's still a lot of great things. Most of the continuity issues are thefirst three chapters, because Ocean's tried to find new jigsaw pieces and force them into the shape of the old, without them being the same shapes. The whole point of those changes was to make it ambigious. If (one day far in the future) Ocean does a directors cut, I imagine he'll return plenty of things back in. As it is now, he could do that easily without really having to do much work. For that to happen though, SG will have to be successful enough that he can deliver it completely the way he wished, without the dictates of external pressures (real or feared). It's far easier to do it with a successful franchise, I'm not naive about that.

Regards Wollust's geography, it's like the dead guys in Diehard who flinch and blink. I get what Ocean intends but I suspect he just got overwhelmed with all the things left to do, and just decided to get it out and move on. I highly respect that decision, simply because WIaB and CH 4.5 and 5 of SG (actual chapter content, not the release themselves) do have far more continuity than Ch 1. Wiab's current coherence shows that it's easier to build from scratch rather than shoehorn in a rework. But yeah, it's like a dream, where two different mutually exclusive things coexist. I just allow my disbelief to be suspended, as the locations aren't really so important - the cabin could be anywhere, and the narrative result is the same - Nika experienced something traumatic. Easiest thing to fix all that geography? Put tha cabin 2 hours away. Most of Europe is only 2 hours to a new border right? Fix that, and all the concerns about geography vanish. It's also a throwawy line, nothing valuable exists in putting the cabin so remote.

I think Season 2 will end up having the same sort of consistency that WiaB enjoys, now that Ocean's gotten over the first hurdle. I think it's important to recognise that it's the first time he's released a fully commercial version of the game, and it's still better than 95% of what steam presents in my discovery queue.

 

[Adhdclassic]

I love Tiddies that being said. What happened to Milas face during the gym scene. Looked like 2 completely different people. The pants looks like she farted and blew out a patch of her pants. Not a rip at least not that type of rip.

 

[PaxHadrian17]

Excellent

In gneral, all agreed. It's frustrating, but there's still a lot of great things. Most of the continuity issues are thefirst three chapters, because Ocean's tried to find new jigsaw pieces and force them into the shape of the old, without them being the same shapes. The whole point of those changes was to make it ambigious. If (one day far in the future) Ocean does a directors cut, I imagine he'll return plenty of things back in. As it is now, he could do that easily without really having to do much work. For that to happen though, SG will have to be successful enough that he can deliver it completely the way he wished, without the dictates of external pressures (real or feared). It's far easier to do it with a successful franchise, I'm not naive about that.

Regards Wollust's geography, it's like the dead guys in Diehard who flinch and blink. I get what Ocean intends but I suspect he just got overwhelmed with all the things left to do, and just decided to get it out and move on. I highly respect that decision, simply because WIaB and CH 4.5 and 5 of SG (actual chapter content, not the release themselves) do have far more continuity than Ch 1. Wiab's current coherence shows that it's easier to build from scratch rather than shoehorn in a rework. But yeah, it's like a dream, where two different mutually exclusive things coexist. I just allow my disbelief to be suspended, as the locations aren't really so important - the cabin could be anywhere, and the narrative result is the same - Nika experienced something traumatic. Easiest thing to fix all that geography? Put tha cabin 2 hours away. Most of Europe is only 2 hours to a new border right? Fix that, and all the concerns about geography vanish. It's also a throwawy line, nothing valuable exists in putting the cabin so remote.

I think Season 2 will end up having the same sort of consistency that WiaB enjoys, now that Ocean's gotten over the first hurdle. I think it's important to recognise that it's the first time he's released a fully commercial version of the game, and it's still better than 95% of what steam presents in my discovery queue.

I have my own motive for wanting the cabin to be 4 - 6 hours away from where they now live.

I'm hoping that this is the story device that prompts Amber and the MC to have to overnight together following the cabin visit.

Amber will be there for the MC and any emotional aftershocks from the visit/recollections And - I'm hoping - some of Amber's unconventional therapy, like roleplaying as Summer to help the MC resolve not getting to say goodbye to Summer, will be involved. This will be part of the events at the cabin before they are forced to overnight away from everyone else.

I'm also hoping that the night together leads to Amber comforting the MC, first as Summer, then when the MC wakes from his bad dream scape, we get Amber path points/choices - continue making out with/fondling Amber or stop.

He does not have to call her Amber but, continued intimacy and the desired physical response from the MC will help Amber know that her therapy is working before she brings it to a stop (Amber path) or the MC does (non-Amber path), for example.

Later, she may reflect (and ask him in the next therapy session) at what point in their intimacy did he realize that Summer was not there, and Amber was (more Amber path points/choices for honesty), and why did he choose to continue?

This question won't be to embarrass the MC but to help him understand that he was driven by a partially awakened libido and his body was responding to the stimulus of being with Amber, as she intended - so no guilt over actions taken - it's all in the name of healing...

That discussion could lead to Amber continuing her unconventional therapy in her office - physical intimacy (making out and fondling each other in the beginning) with the MC to ensure he continues to rise to the occasion.

How long this therapy goes on with Amber's personal help, and how far they take that intimacy could make for a nice slow burn into the Amber LI relationship.

If the cabin is only two hours away, for example, for the version of the cabin visit I laid out above to occur, then we must have bad weather and/or car troubles drive Amber and the MC to seek shelter - overnight.

It still works but a 4-6 hour car drive allows, IMO, more bonding between the MC and Amber and forces the overnight for safety after an emotionally and likely physically exhausting visit to the cabin.

Anyway - so ends my latest speculation/desires about the upcoming cabin visit!

Cheers!!

 

[BobTheDuck]

I have my own motive for wanting the cabin to be 4 - 6 hours away from where they now live.

I'm hoping that this is the story device that prompts Amber and the MC to have to overnight together following the cabin visit.

Amber will be there for the MC and any emotional aftershocks from the visit/recollections And - I'm hoping - some of Amber's unconventional therapy, like roleplaying as Summer to help the MC resolve not getting to say goodbye to Summer, will be involved. This will be part of the events at the cabin before they are forced to overnight away from everyone else.

I'm also hoping that the night together leads to Amber comforting the MC, first as Summer, then when the MC wakes from his bad dream scape, we get Amber path points/choices - continue making out with/fondling Amber or stop.

He does not have to call her Amber but, continued intimacy and the desired physical response from the MC will help Amber know that her therapy is working before she brings it to a stop (Amber path) or the MC does (non-Amber path), for example.

Later, she may reflect (and ask him in the next therapy session) at what point in their intimacy did he realize that Summer was not there, and Amber was (more Amber path points/choices for honesty), and why did he choose to continue?

This question won't be to embarrass the MC but to help him understand that he was driven by a partially awakened libido and his body was responding to the stimulus of being with Amber, as she intended - so no guilt over actions taken - it's all in the name of healing...

That discussion could lead to Amber continuing her unconventional therapy in her office - physical intimacy (making out and fondling each other in the beginning) with the MC to ensure he continues to rise to the occasion.

How long this therapy goes on with Amber's personal help, and how far they take that intimacy could make for a nice slow burn into the Amber LI relationship.

If the cabin is only two hours away, for example, for the version of the cabin visit I laid out above to occur, then we must have bad weather and/or car troubles drive Amber and the MC to seek shelter - overnight.

It still works but a 4-6 hour car drive allows, IMO, more bonding between the MC and Amber and forces the overnight for safety after an emotionally and likely physically exhausting visit to the cabin.

Anyway - so ends my latest speculation/desires about the upcoming cabin visit!

Cheers!!

Oh of course, that works too, but moving the cabin close enough for two non drivers to walk to, when Nika and Nami have a forest lake near where they live and they jump from location to location... it's easy enough for things to happen at the cabin - Nika has a panic attack, Amber can't get hold of any help and nurses him in a motel. Same potential can be achieved without the eldritch geography that bends time and space

 

[wizardcock]

I'm replaying the game and realized that Sonya is the most suitable for the mc to recovery his mind. In relationship with her he will be in charge, there will not be those strong competitive women with complexes from the past like Zara, she is restrained, will not pester with sex like Nami or Nia, will not feel inferior because she is poor, like Mila, not having bats in the belfry like Bella.
So I'm looking forward to Ocean giving us that peace of mind with Sonya.

 

[Adhdclassic]

I want Nami and Nia to have some sexy redhead time together.