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Always appreciate your grandstanding, Pax. Never change. I was so shook reading your post I almost had a panic attackYeah - all the changes Ocean made - to try to compensate for the vagaries of Patreon and their ever-changing TOS and - horror of horrors, actually trying to get his own AVN listed in Germany once it hit Steam.
What creator should actually be able to view his Steam page for his AVN in his own country... I Mean - it takes balls to want that, right??
You'd think he was actually trying to avoid what happened to WIAB when Patreon removed it, and he lost that income.
The nerve of that guy to actually have to think like a businessman, anticipate changes in the environment in which he works and Pay for music licenses, taxes, anticipate hardware buys and more.
Why he even has the gall to hire other people to help create sets and work on improvements to SG... what a businessman move!
How dare he change SG from a dark, psychotic, anti-social story and, YEARS ago, change course so SG is now a story of healing.
What a joke right??
Ah - the good old days are gone - life moves on and ... most of us do as well....
I'm one of the ones who have moved on - Season 1 is a lock - and the changes are what they are, including a much lower likelihood of SG getting put on hold or just abandoned for a Patreon ban.
Reading the room - AKA acknowledging that the good OLD days are the past and every creator must live in the present and anticipate the future - is a handy trait for a businessman, perhaps even someone who 'owes' you your pleasure...
So, lament and wail about the past that is The Past...
or
Enjoy the present - either here or - if that is TOO hard - elsewhere.
Just search for creators who don't use Patreon, and you might just find those able to give you more of the past whose loss you lament here.
Enjoy your search!!
Cheers!!
But seriously let's try to not go off on just about anyone reminiscing about a time when they enjoyed the game, ok? Not everyone is gonna see it the way you do no matter how many times you tell them to "move on".
Btw do you work in PR by any chance? You could do wonders for companies like Disney or Boeing that have been having a rough time for years now
- Jan 5, 2022
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That is, we should have made another game exclusively for masturbation? People don't always like what's done really well, and the fact that Pornhub has a larger audience than Helldivers2 doesn't mean that the second example took a wrong turn.You know, I agree. I always said that time will put everything in its place and there is only either success or failure. From the very beginning, SG beamed , gained interest and great popularity, and Ocean got the golden ticket into his hands. He has all the stars agreed so much that this project could become the second Badik. After the decision to rework, everything was changed. To the point that mc began to have problems with potency and all in order to release avn and not receive an 18+ rating. Let's look at the results of the release on steam and the last devlog. For some reason, the number of patreons remained at approximately the same level as it was. 1400-1500. The number of those who came is approximately the number of those who left, who are very dissatisfied with many things and are simply tired. And, hehe,about the last devlog. Apparently, the release on steam for some reason did not collect millions like Badik, there is only enough money for taxes. For some reason people did not appreciate the story of the healing of an emo-impotent, where gender roles were reversed, where strong and independent women pay in restaurants and buy things for male losers, and in bed, when these losers refuse, they treat them with *understanding*. Maybe, purely theoretically, maybe the great businessman miscalculated with cutting out sex content and changing history? I have often seen a comparison that SG = Badik. But this is far from true. For some reason, people forget that drawing such scenes is much more difficult, and if Badik had followed the path of SG, then the update would not have 7 thousand renders, but 10+ each? It turns out that SG is very far from Badik. Okay, let's move on. Let's go down to the SG level in terms of the number of patreons. 1400-1500. Suddenly it turns out that the developers are going to insert sex content, violence, incest and normal men and have the same level of earnings , without buying top cards for 10 thousand euros. And personally, I don’t believe that anything will change much in the second season. The introduction of setralin into the plot as a way to kill libido and the narrative that this is a game with adult elements seems to hint. And this is only the beginning of the end. There is still another ballast project on the way with strong and independent female kingpins and losers ntr-men, which will definitely beat the ratings on steam and of course will not drag SG along with it to the bottom.
In addition to sales, the game on Steam also has a section with reviews. Take a look there. It’s not at all necessary to turn the “bad ass” level of the main character into the ceiling and add one fucking scene every ten minutes of the game.
Who said that the absence of people in the fan base who welcome the plot and production of the level of Brazzers short films is a minus?
In addition, you have the opportunity to compare a game from the same author with and without those same scenes. Prequel.
And for some reason I very often see stories in the spirit of “role reversal”. Why did this suddenly get everyone so excited? Some kind of phobia about women with balls?
- Dec 5, 2020
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Those good old days with the ape Nami, the racist Stahl, the slutty smoker Mila and the psycho MC, who wasn't even Nika back then. So sad that this old game was abandoned by its dev.
Anyway, if you want a game with an emo edgelord MC with a hard dick, I can recommend a good game.
If you want a game with lots of girls and light and dark paths that the MC can choose and he can be a complete asshole on the dark path, I can recommend another good game.
But SG is what it is, and Ocean its dev. So in the first season you won't be able to fuck Bella and Nami won't watch a porn with you. Accept it or find something else.
Anyway, if you want a game with an emo edgelord MC with a hard dick, I can recommend a good game.
If you want a game with lots of girls and light and dark paths that the MC can choose and he can be a complete asshole on the dark path, I can recommend another good game.
But SG is what it is, and Ocean its dev. So in the first season you won't be able to fuck Bella and Nami won't watch a porn with you. Accept it or find something else.
- Mar 17, 2021
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I'm still interested in one question; Why did Patreon start to ban games. It had so much time, so why and why now... And if incest (and other tags) are the point of reason, why aren't (still) not all games with this tags banned... Patreon just ban it without contacting the dev.I don't know if there is a combined total - Patreon and SS.
Given all the Patreon attacks on AVNs in the last 4 months, I know a number of people who left Patreon and moved to SS.
I did for any creators who are supported by both.
After WIAB was banned by Patreon, I suspect that a number of Ocean's SS supporters made the switch.
I know of one creator who has had his SS application under review for approval for more than 3 months (and I've heard it is much worse for some other creators but that is not anything I can substantiate with an actual SS link).
We may have also had some people who bought on Steam/elsewhere and stopped subscribing until S2 content hits - not unreasonable, especially if your $ budget is tight.
At least SG is Much safer (less likely to get a Patreon ban) when - like it or not - Ocean removed much of the branding and what some would call offensive language (even if it was germane to the story telling).
These days, the Bible could not be published on Patreon - violates the incest rule among other things.
That says just how Bad Patreon has become.
Better not tell a story about Viking conquest unless you want to adapt it to Patreon rules:
Original story = explore, battle, burn, pillage, rape
Patreon approved story = explore, handshaking and sharing jokes, tell campfire stories, exchange trade goods, handholding...*
* Patreon TOS prevents aggressive handholding ... or other activities.
Got to love the PC Police...
Cheers!!
Those games were together a huge amount of maney and Patreon still shoo devs away... If somebody like Patreon likes something, it's money. So what forced them to leave money behind.
- Jan 5, 2022
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Because the planet is turning in the wrong direction. Not only in the case of Patreon.
What a bright and shiny User ID!You know, I agree. I always said that time will put everything in its place and there is only either success or failure. From the very beginning, SG beamed , gained interest and great popularity, and Ocean got the golden ticket into his hands. He has all the stars agreed so much that this project could become the second Badik. After the decision to rework, everything was changed. To the point that mc began to have problems with potency and all in order to release avn and not receive an 18+ rating. Let's look at the results of the release on steam and the last devlog. For some reason, the number of patreons remained at approximately the same level as it was. 1400-1500. The number of those who came is approximately the number of those who left, who are very dissatisfied with many things and are simply tired. And, hehe,about the last devlog. Apparently, the release on steam for some reason did not collect millions like Badik, there is only enough money for taxes. For some reason people did not appreciate the story of the healing of an emo-impotent, where gender roles were reversed, where strong and independent women pay in restaurants and buy things for male losers, and in bed, when these losers refuse, they treat them with *understanding*. Maybe, purely theoretically, maybe the great businessman miscalculated with cutting out sex content and changing history? I have often seen a comparison that SG = Badik. But this is far from true. For some reason, people forget that drawing such scenes is much more difficult, and if Badik had followed the path of SG, then the update would not have 7 thousand renders, but 10+ each? It turns out that SG is very far from Badik. Okay, let's move on. Let's go down to the SG level in terms of the number of patreons. 1400-1500. Suddenly it turns out that the developers are going to insert sex content, violence, incest and normal men and have the same level of earnings , without buying top cards for 10 thousand euros. And personally, I don’t believe that anything will change much in the second season. The introduction of setralin into the plot as a way to kill libido and the narrative that this is a game with adult elements seems to hint. And this is only the beginning of the end. There is still another ballast project on the way with strong and independent female kingpins and losers ntr-men, which will definitely beat the ratings on steam and of course will not drag SG along with it to the bottom.
I mean - this just rolled off the alt ID dealership lot and man is it smokin...
If you are interested in an actual discussion about supporter numbers, just search above this post and you will find one.
Feel free to respond if you are actually here for a discussion versus a monologue.
As well, we can actually talk about the reality of how much various AVNs have made at the 3/6/9/12 month mark on Steam - and of course - take it OT - since that discussion Is off topic.
Now, this is Summers Gone (not BADIK) so - back to talking about just how Hot Noji looks in her bikini!
I think a MILF poolside comparison involving the MC and Bella returning unexpectedly to Bella's home and finding Amber, Noji and Miss Marla all in bikinis would be a worthy use of Ocean's time!
I don't recall seeing a pool, but the ladies can certainly be sunning themselves in Amber's backyard, if there is no pool available.
I would have No problem seeing Amber in a bikini and, it is possible, that Miss Marla could surprise in the swimsuit category.
I would also like to vote that the next book club meeting takes place at the house of someone with a pool, with wine, to encourage those cougars to flirt more shamelessly with the MC!
Added bonus - seeing an embarrassed Sasha and her hot bodyguard in bikinis.
Cheers!!
There was a petition submitted by someone who had an axe to grind, and it listed 100+ AVNs as violators of Patreon's TOS.
I did not keep a link to the petition, but I think they (those who signed and submitted the petition) put enough pressure on Patreon to cause them to formally check on those AVNs.
WIAB was not the only AVN that got an outright ban and a number of other AVNs were put under review (one dev I support rewrote his story from inception to prevent the dev from getting a Patreon ban).
There could be other things going on, but the petition was the most public of the causes that I am aware of.
Cheers!!
- Mar 17, 2021
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I think Amber is one of the hottest MILFs in any AVN... But I like Nojiko too. Even if I liked the old Nojiko even more. Miss Maria is hot too, even more with her new hairstyle...What a bright and shiny User ID!
I mean - this just rolled off the alt ID dealership lot and man is it smokin...
If you are interested in an actual discussion about supporter numbers, just search above this post and you will find one.
Feel free to respond if you are actually here for a discussion versus a monologue.
As well, we can actually talk about the reality of how much various AVNs have made at the 3/6/9/12 month mark on Steam - and of course - take it OT - since that discussion Is off topic.
Now, this is Summers Gone (not BADIK) so - back to talking about just how Hot Noji looks in her bikini!
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I think a MILF poolside comparison involving the MC and Bella returning unexpectedly to Bella's home and finding Amber, Noji and Miss Marla all in bikinis would be a worthy use of Ocean's time!
I don't recall seeing a pool, but the ladies can certainly be sunning themselves in Amber's backyard, if there is no pool available.
I would have No problem seeing Amber in a bikini and, it is possible, that Miss Marla could surprise in the swimsuit category.
I would also like to vote that the next book club meeting takes place at the house of someone with a pool, with wine, to encourage those cougars to flirt more shamelessly with the MC!
Added bonus - seeing an embarrassed Sasha and her hot bodyguard in bikinis.
Cheers!!
Nojiko is unusually sexy in those renders, Ocean was always a little indirect with the questio if she would be a LI or lewdable... If I remember correctly at his LI was; "not a LI, but nothing is set in stone"...
- Mar 17, 2021
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Can't we make a petition to just prevent such people to vote?There was a petition submitted by someone who had an axe to grind, and it listed 100+ AVNs as violators of Patreon's TOS.
I did not keep a link to the petition, but I think they (those who signed and submitted the petition) put enough pressure on Patreon to cause them to formally check on those AVNs.
WIAB was not the only AVN that got an outright ban and a number of other AVNs were put under review (one dev I support rewrote his story from inception to prevent the dev from getting a Patreon ban).
There could be other things going on, but the petition was the most public of the causes that I am aware of.
Cheers!!
I vote YES... Where I live electricity is dirt cheap, or free if you are skilled with wiring, and paying taxes is more like guidelines than actual rules ... Ocean would be filthy rich if he moved here. Also ...
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Does anyone know who's that red-haired girl is that found Nika in the classroom almost at the very beginning when he was having a panic attack? She looks like she has too much of a significant presence to be irrelevant in the next seasons. She's also part of Sasha social circle and have simillar face features is this possible is that her sister?. I can't find any info about her in the fandom wikia
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Well, that pretty much sums up why they're brokeWell, he had hobo hair until Bella dragged him to Emilio. Since then, the emo hair.
The amount of hair gel that goes in there to hold it could seriously damage the family budget.
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I just felt the overwhelming cringe at the gun scene and the "psycho" reactions and "jokes" were also cringey AF. And I'm glad the cringey fake wannabe psycho is gone. But it's just my opinion. I guess I'm not the "cool" school shooter type.
The stupid teen me might have liked it though.
Maybe. But I don't remember much about that time any more. Luckily.Funny sarcasm. Considering the wave of nonsense of your people in all the nooks and crannies where they interfered with other projects, as if they were somehow better. I have never been against snobbery when it is confirmed by facts. But the funny thing is, you guys have nothing to try to elitize on other projects of *your* level, and even more so compare yourself to badik. Only success matters, and you don’t have it. You won’t have it. So stop comparing yourself to badik until the statistics come together. Your developer is no different from other second-rate devs.What a bright and shiny User ID!
I mean - this just rolled off the alt ID dealership lot and man is it smokin...
If you are interested in an actual discussion about supporter numbers, just search above this post and you will find one.
Feel free to respond if you are actually here for a discussion versus a monologue.
As well, we can actually talk about the reality of how much various AVNs have made at the 3/6/9/12 month mark on Steam - and of course - take it OT - since that discussion Is off topic.
Now, this is Summers Gone (not BADIK) so - back to talking about just how Hot Noji looks in her bikini!
View attachment 3735777
I think a MILF poolside comparison involving the MC and Bella returning unexpectedly to Bella's home and finding Amber, Noji and Miss Marla all in bikinis would be a worthy use of Ocean's time!
I don't recall seeing a pool, but the ladies can certainly be sunning themselves in Amber's backyard, if there is no pool available.
I would have No problem seeing Amber in a bikini and, it is possible, that Miss Marla could surprise in the swimsuit category.
I would also like to vote that the next book club meeting takes place at the house of someone with a pool, with wine, to encourage those cougars to flirt more shamelessly with the MC!
Added bonus - seeing an embarrassed Sasha and her hot bodyguard in bikinis.
Cheers!!
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Why do you think it's hoax? Didn't Ocean's patreons make a fuss about this last year?
- Dec 24, 2018
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No, we only have theories based on what we hope, mainly because we really want her to be important enough to be a LI. Currently she's just a badass redhead who has a sense of civic compassion to look after poor person
Ocean even labelled renders of her as something like mysterious redhead in the DLC, I forget the exact name. But she's important enough to warrant her own renders, so that provides hope. And well, if we hang out with Sasha, we'll likely get to know her friends.
I suspect she does martial arts with Ayua and Sasha, because of how she and Sasha appeared and effectively broke up the fight. Everyone would know Ayua and Sasha can hold their own, and Sasha's family own part of the college, and all these girls seem to do some form of fitness... maybe we'll see her when Nika visits Ayua's gym/studio.
I don't miss that now is a lot better
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I remember when I saw the gun scene for the first time and I couldn't help but laugh cause how stupid and cringey it felt. Idk, maybe I'm weird that way, but for me I couldn't help but really enjoy the weird/cringey moments. Because of it MC didn't felt like the typical run of the mill guy I saw for the hundreds of time. While I'm still probably gonna choose the old version over the new one, I found myself appreciating the new one in a way because of how it matured in some way.I just felt the overwhelming cringe at the gun scene and the "psycho" reactions and "jokes" were also cringey AF. And I'm glad the cringey fake wannabe psycho is gone. But it's just my opinion. I guess I'm not the "cool" school shooter type.
The stupid teen me might have liked it though.
I noticed that when Robin calls Bella to free Nika from the handcuffs, she tells Sasha that Nika didn't deserve it and she replies ''Maybe he does''. So I installed Scrappy Mod to unlock all the scenes and it turned out that when Robin calls Miss Marla she answers just ''Maybe'' instead. I don't know if it's just a mod's work or if it also happens in the original version, but are there any theories about it? Or is it treated as an unimportant detail? Typically, these types of details are the spark of various theories.