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While I do agree that she doesn't seem to lie all that much, she lies convincingly enough when she pranks Nami to wear the MOR college uniform on the first day. She's no angel, that's for sure.
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It's totally possible to have a good time playing Summer's Gone without having tried WIAB, but the two novels are intrinsically connected because, basically, the story of WIAB is about the parents/relatives of the current characters. However, for me, it's a different experience after going through the chapters of WIAB, especially in chapter 5 of Summer's Gone where someone might overlook the names William and Leia if they didn't know who these people were in the past. Another thing, for those who haven't played WIAB, SG might seem like just a college-themed AVN with some side stories of the LIs, but having the knowledge of WIAB behind it, you know that this universe is much more about a story of power that the Zane family acquires over time, both in illegality and legality, and that's why it becomes much more interesting.
And that's why, to me, it doesn't make sense for Nika to be just someone who isn't related and was thrown into this dispute by chance. Regarding his past, he may not have any kinship with the Zane family, but at least his parents must have a very close relationship with the Zane family, like Scarlett, Katarina, Joe...
And that's why, to me, it doesn't make sense for Nika to be just someone who isn't related and was thrown into this dispute by chance. Regarding his past, he may not have any kinship with the Zane family, but at least his parents must have a very close relationship with the Zane family, like Scarlett, Katarina, Joe...
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I follow you my bro, I still think that Nika is the son of Leia and William, but for some sort of reason they can't act as parents, like the stigma of people knowing he is a child of incest or some sort. And wtf, he has William face with Leia's eyes.
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Willian zane seeing how his son still hasn't fucked half of the college's female population.
Some will argue that we only have the commentary of Zara and Vanessa to go by regarding how their mother treated them.
I think Zara and Vanessa's mother was a nasty bitch, and Bella actually lends additional credence to this feeling:
Based on what we actually know right now, the only thing Nick is guilty of is working too hard for his growing family.
How many of us in RL have heard of or know of someone close to us - family or good friend - who overdid work hoping to make a good life for their family only to fall into the trap that what their family really needed was more of their time and attention.
I like Nick and his actions have, so far, painted him as a good man and a good dad - not perfect - but good.
He has certainly stepped up to the plate for Noji and her family.
While I currently don't like Vanessa, I could also accept that she adapted to her mother's abusive nature by speaking less and observing more - making her less of a target for her mother's anger perhaps?
I may actually grow to like Vanessa in time, but Ocean has far more storytelling to share with me to convert me to a Vanessa fan versus the strong Zara advocate I've become.
I also think Zara craves someone she respects to show that they value her and believe in her. I think that there are major rewards to pursuing Zara as an LI - including someone who is fiercely loyal and protective of her guy and, later in life, a giving and caring mother who will make sure that her children have the love and support that she did not receive from her own mother.
IMO - Ocean has done a stellar job revealing both Bella and Zara as LI's worth pursuing, and I think the other LI's in the wings will require some great storytelling to make them competitive with Bella and Zara.
Cheers!!
I think Zara and Vanessa's mother was a nasty bitch, and Bella actually lends additional credence to this feeling:
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Based on what we actually know right now, the only thing Nick is guilty of is working too hard for his growing family.
How many of us in RL have heard of or know of someone close to us - family or good friend - who overdid work hoping to make a good life for their family only to fall into the trap that what their family really needed was more of their time and attention.
I like Nick and his actions have, so far, painted him as a good man and a good dad - not perfect - but good.
He has certainly stepped up to the plate for Noji and her family.
While I currently don't like Vanessa, I could also accept that she adapted to her mother's abusive nature by speaking less and observing more - making her less of a target for her mother's anger perhaps?
I may actually grow to like Vanessa in time, but Ocean has far more storytelling to share with me to convert me to a Vanessa fan versus the strong Zara advocate I've become.
I also think Zara craves someone she respects to show that they value her and believe in her. I think that there are major rewards to pursuing Zara as an LI - including someone who is fiercely loyal and protective of her guy and, later in life, a giving and caring mother who will make sure that her children have the love and support that she did not receive from her own mother.
IMO - Ocean has done a stellar job revealing both Bella and Zara as LI's worth pursuing, and I think the other LI's in the wings will require some great storytelling to make them competitive with Bella and Zara.
Cheers!!
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Even if we assume that Nika is William's son, which I'd love despite the cliché, I don’t get why Leia would be the mother. Logically, it would be more interesting if the mother were the love interest from the first game, chosen by the player.
However, I do wonder how challenging it would be to implement this, given the numerous women William interacts with
. Also, how would this idea fit into the overall story and plot of both games...
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This would create too much important incest plots that would be hard to hide from Patreon.
This would create too much important incest plots that would be hard to hide from Patreon.
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William + Miru =MCAyua
Leia/Katerina + William = Vanessa and Zara
William + Daphne = Nami
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No!Even if we assume that Nika is William's son, which I'd love despite the cliché, I don’t get why Leia would be the mother. Logically, it would be more interesting if the mother were the love interest from the first game, chosen by the player.
However, I do wonder how challenging it would be to implement this, given the numerous women William interacts with
William + Miru = MC
Leia + William = Summer
William + Daphne = Nami
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Willian zane seeing how his son still hasn't fucked half of the college's female population.
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His poor wormy feels unused and unappreciated.
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He being a son of incest counts? I think it needs to be in the game, not a consequense of acts before the game.Darkdevil66
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Why would Willi and Miru hide Nika, when they declare Ayua a Zane? Also, Summer wouldn't even be in the situation unsupervised dating Nika while Willi and Leia thought Nika was trash, and Elsa's mum (who would be Leia's other sister???) making comments about Summer ending up fat drinking beer in a trailer park also reject these two ideas. We gotta remember that SUmmer and Nika were dating and hanging out in the way teeanagers do with, the parents knowing where Summer was when she visited Nami, and for long enough for the parents to call Nika trash while not doing anything. If Willi was both their dads, it'd be over in a heart beat, Summer would disappear before it was a thing, game over.
Elsa's mum being Summer's mum's sister means that she is none of the characters we know from WiaB yet. The only sisters we know are Zane's in WiaB. Elsa is not Katie's daughter. Elsa's surname (seeing she's not married) suggests no tie to the Zanes - most logical assumption is Summer's mum is someone currently unknown.
Willi and Miru do want to breed, and Ocean gives us plenty of opportunities so far. Having said that, Ayua is in the same classes as Nika and Nami, so likely the same age, unless like Nami, she's been held back a year. Miru can't have two children a couple of months apart, Nika would need to be at least 9 months older or younger, and that only if Miru is such a sex fiend (well, true) and WIlli shoots and scores every time (hence basketball genes). But it still makes it pretty implausible for Miru to be Nika's mom, on top of the fact that AYua is raised as a Zane and Nika isn't.
Last one? I see no issue why not. Do we know if Daphne's last name is Cyrus? The only connection between Nami and the Zane's is the earring though. It wasn't left by Leia at the hospital when Nami was born, but seemingly by chance, when Nami was along on a random day out. I still favour the idea that the Zanes are responsible for Nika and Nami being orphans and the earring is a mark to show they're under Zane protection. It could just as plausibly be Nika = Daphne+Willi, Nami = Daphne + Mr Cyrus.
Given the ages, none of the sproglings are a result of creampies that occur in WiaB's game, if WiaB occurs 20 years before.
Also, unless a bunch had gap years, Nami is the oldest in the class.
See this is the ral problem, 'uncle' Willi taught him basketball, but not what balls are for. I mean in WiaB Willi was going to play wingman for Lucas, maybe in SG we'll have one hell of a funny scene where he tries to play wingman for Nika, making up for lost bonding time?
Would you risk that in his place, seeing that they change the rules to target new things they dislike? For Ocean, the story is the important thing, and so far I don't see Nika's parents being Willi and Leia as a immovable plot point. Willi most likely from a cheating episode (hence WiaB's NTR) with someone whose surname was Cyrus, who already had a husband, and had just had a child (Nami being a year older than Nika).
The actual defined family ties are currently less important to the plot than:
- Nika's depression/trauma
- Nami's weird hidden behaviour in the past
- Summer's disappearance
- The Bella/Stefan plot
- Moving to the Benz's
- MOving into a shared student dorm.
Currently, you can imagine anyone as Nika's parents and the current plot has maybe one scene that would change - Katie meeting him at the book club. Even that's not a given as Katie is the person driving the basketball plot from behind the scenes, and Nika's the star basketball player the coaches knew about for years fom a potential feeder school.
The real reason we imagine who Nika's parents are without the evidence is the sense of synegry we feel, and standard plot devices. But regardless of what we all think is most likely, almost none of the game currently hinges on it.
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That's the problem I keep talking about when the topic of Nika being Zane comes up again and again. Besides Nika, there are a few love interests that could be Zanes. We can even guess who because some of them block each other. If Nika is Zane, it should have a strong impact on the plot, the relationships and dialogue with these characters. But how do you implement this given Patreon's rules? Well, there's of course the option of just limiting everything to a couple lines in conversations by replacing phrases like I'm your father/I'm your brother with I'm your landlord/I'm your roommate. And... what does this change? What's the point of this? It's just a useless plot twist if it doesn't affect the story.
A useless plot twist is always bad writing.
In the Nika/Nami situation, you can make them roommates because they really do live together. The same goes for Zara and Vanessa if they are the result of incest between William and Leia or Katerina. Vague hints, unspoken truth and references to events in WiAB can be enough. But as for Nika being Zane, I just don't see the point if it doesn't affect anything.
Agree with Daphne being probably Nami's mother but i would bet all my money that leia is Nika's mom if the mc is willys son
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i thought the earring that Nami has was a gift from a woman who saw her crying and by herself when she was several years younger than currently - the implication being that Summer & MC bailed on her at a public place.
and as it was Sasha, who was also only wearing one earring, asking the question, it's her mom, Mrs. [name unknown] Petrova, or someone else as yet unmentioned...
because Ninja-Ayua interrupted the conversation right at that time.
and as it was Sasha, who was also only wearing one earring, asking the question, it's her mom, Mrs. [name unknown] Petrova, or someone else as yet unmentioned...
because Ninja-Ayua interrupted the conversation right at that time.
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The question should rather be: Where and when will we find out; here in SG or already in WiaB? The only person who knows won't tell us!
Sasha's moms name is Elena Petrova and thats unlikely because Leia Zane owns these earrings in Wiab.
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that doesn't mean they are the only pair like that in existence.
so Elena is Sasha's mum, what was the name of her Aunt?