VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[PaxHadrian17]

Some will argue that we only have the commentary of Zara and Vanessa to go by regarding how their mother treated them.

I think Zara and Vanessa's mother was a nasty bitch, and Bella actually lends additional credence to this feeling:

Spoiler: What Bella shares about Zara's abusive mother

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Based on what we actually know right now, the only thing Nick is guilty of is working too hard for his growing family.

How many of us in RL have heard of or know of someone close to us - family or good friend - who overdid work hoping to make a good life for their family only to fall into the trap that what their family really needed was more of their time and attention.

I like Nick and his actions have, so far, painted him as a good man and a good dad - not perfect - but good.

He has certainly stepped up to the plate for Noji and her family.

While I currently don't like Vanessa, I could also accept that she adapted to her mother's abusive nature by speaking less and observing more - making her less of a target for her mother's anger perhaps?

I may actually grow to like Vanessa in time, but Ocean has far more storytelling to share with me to convert me to a Vanessa fan versus the strong Zara advocate I've become.

I also think Zara craves someone she respects to show that they value her and believe in her. I think that there are major rewards to pursuing Zara as an LI - including someone who is fiercely loyal and protective of her guy and, later in life, a giving and caring mother who will make sure that her children have the love and support that she did not receive from her own mother.

IMO - Ocean has done a stellar job revealing both Bella and Zara as LI's worth pursuing, and I think the other LI's in the wings will require some great storytelling to make them competitive with Bella and Zara.

Cheers!!

 

[Winterstale]

I follow you my bro, I still think that Nika is the son of Leia and William, but for some sort of reason they can't act as parents, like the stigma of people knowing he is a child of incest or some sort. And wtf, he has William face with Leia's eyes.

Even if we assume that Nika is William's son, which I'd love despite the cliché, I don’t get why Leia would be the mother. Logically, it would be more interesting if the mother were the love interest from the first game, chosen by the player.

However, I do wonder how challenging it would be to implement this, given the numerous women William interacts with . Also, how would this idea fit into the overall story and plot of both games...

 

[N1ghtcrawler]

Darkdevil66

I follow you my bro, I still think that Nika is the son of Leia and William, but for some sort of reason they can't act as parents, like the stigma of people knowing he is a child of incest or some sort. And wtf, he has William face with Leia's eyes.

This would create too much important incest plots that would be hard to hide from Patreon.

I may actually grow to like Vanessa in time, but Ocean has far more storytelling to share with me to convert me to a Vanessa fan versus the strong Zara advocate I've become.

No!

William + Miru = MC Ayua
Leia/Katerina + William = Vanessa and Zara
William + Daphne = Nami

Fixed

 

[RNasc4444]

Even if we assume that Nika is William's son, which I'd love despite the cliché, I don’t get why Leia would be the mother. Logically, it would be more interesting if the mother were the love interest from the first game, chosen by the player.

However, I do wonder how challenging it would be to implement this, given the numerous women William interacts with . Also, how would this idea fit into the overall story and plot of both games...

No!

William + Miru = MC
Leia + William = Summer
William + Daphne = Nami

 

[mostwanted8]

Willian zane seeing how his son still hasn't fucked half of the college's female population.

 

[Ray_D]

No!

William + Miru = MC
Leia + William = Summer
William + Daphne = Nami

william really likes crusader kings

 

[fishbrain]

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His poor wormy feels unused and unappreciated.

 

[razante]

Darkdevil66

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This would create too much important incest plots that would be hard to hide from Patreon.

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Fixed

He being a son of incest counts? I think it needs to be in the game, not a consequense of acts before the game.

 

[BobTheDuck]

No!

William + Miru = MC
Leia + William = Summer
William + Daphne = Nami

Why would Willi and Miru hide Nika, when they declare Ayua a Zane? Also, Summer wouldn't even be in the situation unsupervised dating Nika while Willi and Leia thought Nika was trash, and Elsa's mum (who would be Leia's other sister???) making comments about Summer ending up fat drinking beer in a trailer park also reject these two ideas. We gotta remember that SUmmer and Nika were dating and hanging out in the way teeanagers do with, the parents knowing where Summer was when she visited Nami, and for long enough for the parents to call Nika trash while not doing anything. If Willi was both their dads, it'd be over in a heart beat, Summer would disappear before it was a thing, game over.

Elsa's mum being Summer's mum's sister means that she is none of the characters we know from WiaB yet. The only sisters we know are Zane's in WiaB. Elsa is not Katie's daughter. Elsa's surname (seeing she's not married) suggests no tie to the Zanes - most logical assumption is Summer's mum is someone currently unknown.

Willi and Miru do want to breed, and Ocean gives us plenty of opportunities so far. Having said that, Ayua is in the same classes as Nika and Nami, so likely the same age, unless like Nami, she's been held back a year. Miru can't have two children a couple of months apart, Nika would need to be at least 9 months older or younger, and that only if Miru is such a sex fiend (well, true) and WIlli shoots and scores every time (hence basketball genes). But it still makes it pretty implausible for Miru to be Nika's mom, on top of the fact that AYua is raised as a Zane and Nika isn't.

Last one? I see no issue why not. Do we know if Daphne's last name is Cyrus? The only connection between Nami and the Zane's is the earring though. It wasn't left by Leia at the hospital when Nami was born, but seemingly by chance, when Nami was along on a random day out. I still favour the idea that the Zanes are responsible for Nika and Nami being orphans and the earring is a mark to show they're under Zane protection. It could just as plausibly be Nika = Daphne+Willi, Nami = Daphne + Mr Cyrus.

Given the ages, none of the sproglings are a result of creampies that occur in WiaB's game, if WiaB occurs 20 years before.

Also, unless a bunch had gap years, Nami is the oldest in the class.

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See this is the ral problem, 'uncle' Willi taught him basketball, but not what balls are for. I mean in WiaB Willi was going to play wingman for Lucas, maybe in SG we'll have one hell of a funny scene where he tries to play wingman for Nika, making up for lost bonding time?

He being a son of incest counts? I think it needs to be in the game, not a consequense of acts before the game.

Would you risk that in his place, seeing that they change the rules to target new things they dislike? For Ocean, the story is the important thing, and so far I don't see Nika's parents being Willi and Leia as a immovable plot point. Willi most likely from a cheating episode (hence WiaB's NTR) with someone whose surname was Cyrus, who already had a husband, and had just had a child (Nami being a year older than Nika).

The actual defined family ties are currently less important to the plot than:
- Nika's depression/trauma
- Nami's weird hidden behaviour in the past
- Summer's disappearance
- The Bella/Stefan plot
- Moving to the Benz's
- MOving into a shared student dorm.

Currently, you can imagine anyone as Nika's parents and the current plot has maybe one scene that would change - Katie meeting him at the book club. Even that's not a given as Katie is the person driving the basketball plot from behind the scenes, and Nika's the star basketball player the coaches knew about for years fom a potential feeder school.

The real reason we imagine who Nika's parents are without the evidence is the sense of synegry we feel, and standard plot devices. But regardless of what we all think is most likely, almost none of the game currently hinges on it.

 

[N1ghtcrawler]

He being a son of incest counts? I think it needs to be in the game, not a consequense of acts before the game.

That's the problem I keep talking about when the topic of Nika being Zane comes up again and again. Besides Nika, there are a few love interests that could be Zanes. We can even guess who because some of them block each other. If Nika is Zane, it should have a strong impact on the plot, the relationships and dialogue with these characters. But how do you implement this given Patreon's rules? Well, there's of course the option of just limiting everything to a couple lines in conversations by replacing phrases like I'm your father/I'm your brother with I'm your landlord/I'm your roommate. And... what does this change? What's the point of this? It's just a useless plot twist if it doesn't affect the story.

A useless plot twist is always bad writing.

In the Nika/Nami situation, you can make them roommates because they really do live together. The same goes for Zara and Vanessa if they are the result of incest between William and Leia or Katerina. Vague hints, unspoken truth and references to events in WiAB can be enough. But as for Nika being Zane, I just don't see the point if it doesn't affect anything.

 

[Krytax123]

No!

William + Miru = MC
Leia + William = Summer
William + Daphne = Nami

Agree with Daphne being probably Nami's mother but i would bet all my money that leia is Nika's mom if the mc is willys son

 

[imzahai]

i thought the earring that Nami has was a gift from a woman who saw her crying and by herself when she was several years younger than currently - the implication being that Summer & MC bailed on her at a public place.
and as it was Sasha, who was also only wearing one earring, asking the question, it's her mom, Mrs. [name unknown] Petrova, or someone else as yet unmentioned...
because Ninja-Ayua interrupted the conversation right at that time.

 

[minibaer12]

The question should rather be: Where and when will we find out; here in SG or already in WiaB? The only person who knows won't tell us!

 

[Krytax123]

i thought the earring that Nami has was a gift from a woman who saw her crying and by herself when she was several years younger than currently - the implication being that Summer & MC bailed on her at a public place.
and as it was Sasha, who was also only wearing one earring, asking the question, it's her mom, Mrs. [name unknown] Petrova, or someone else as yet unmentioned...
because Ninja-Ayua interrupted the conversation right at that time.

Sasha's moms name is Elena Petrova and thats unlikely because Leia Zane owns these earrings in Wiab.

 

[imzahai]

Sasha's moms name is Elena Petrova and thats unlikely because Leia Zane owns these earrings in Wiab.

that doesn't mean they are the only pair like that in existence.
so Elena is Sasha's mum, what was the name of her Aunt?

 

[Krytax123]

that doesn't mean they are the only pair like that in existence.
so Elena is Sasha's mum, what was the name of her Aunt?

These earrings are very specific and pointed out again and again, these were 100% Leia's earrings and are the same. Thats what we know, we dont know if it was Leia herself who gave Nami the earrings tho.

Dunno dont remember her aunts name.

 

[imzahai]

These earrings are very specific and pointed out again and again, these were 100% Leia's earrings and are the same. Thats what we know, we dont know if it was Leia herself who gave Nami the earrings tho.

Dunno dont remember her aunts name.

what do you mean pointed out again and again? Sasha is the one who draws attention to it actively.
Yes Leia wears them in WiaB; which is 19 years in the past at a minimum, so they if they ARE the original ones, and not similar or copies, would be an heirloom, regardless of actual monetary value. assuming they are actually silver or platinum and not steel... that would be quite the gift to an unknown little girl who is crying.
now explain why the ice queen would've given one of them to a crying redhead...
the current Leia would NEVER do that...

looking forward to her character evolving, among other things involving Leia

 

[Krytax123]

what do you mean pointed out again and again? Sasha is the one who draws attention to it actively.
Yes Leia wears them in WiaB; which is 19 years in the past at a minimum, so they if they ARE the original ones, and not similar or copies, would be an heirloom, regardless of actual monetary value. assuming they are actually silver or platinum and not steel... that would be quite the gift to an unknown little girl who is crying.
now explain why the ice queen would've given one of them to a crying redhead...
the current Leia would NEVER do that...

looking forward to her character evolving, among other things involving Leia

Bro the explanation is obviously that Nami is not a unknown girl to Leia, which isnt really a secret considering Katie Zane visited the book club because she was aware of Nami attending.

There are OBVIOUS connections between Nika, Nami and the Zane's, maybe they are related, maybe not but there are connections as the bookclub proved but even before that it was already known that Nojiko worked for Scarlett Zane and so on.

There is a reason why Leia gave Sasha and Nami an earring each (or made someone else gave the earrings to them) we just dont know what it is. It could be that they are both daughters of William and the earrings are a sign of Zane protection as they dont wear the Surname, or its something else but there will be a reason. And the reason obviously wont be related to the monetary worth of the earrings.

The current Leia hasnt reconciled with willy yet and doesnt have a Legacy yet, shes bound to change and i at least can imagine her as a "godmother" of the Zane "clan" who takes care in some distant ways for the offspring of her family but we will see.

But ocean doesnt keep pointing out the earrings multiple times in sg and wiab just to reveal at some point: yo btw these are cheap copies from china, no meaning whatsoever

 

[BobTheDuck]

The question should rather be: Where and when will we find out; here in SG or already in WiaB? The only person who knows won't tell us!

Well, Ocean will tell us by the end of the games, I'm sure. Defeats the purpose of making renders if he gives the script away without them You're implied idea is the right one, we're meant to wonder, it's the mystery that Ocean uses to keep us interested.

that doesn't mean they are the only pair like that in existence.
so Elena is Sasha's mum, what was the name of her Aunt?

Inessa - it's mentioned in the bookclub scene. The only time Elena is mentioned by first name is when Nick tells Mila he can talk to Elena so Mila can play golf. Otherwise, she's Sasha's mom, or just the unnamed person who owns the country club (tennis and golf etc. I assume that's the location where we see the preview renders of Zara, Nika and Nadja).

what do you mean pointed out again and again? Sasha is the one who draws attention to it actively.
Yes Leia wears them in WiaB; which is 19 years in the past at a minimum, so they if they ARE the original ones, and not similar or copies, would be an heirloom, regardless of actual monetary value. assuming they are actually silver or platinum and not steel... that would be quite the gift to an unknown little girl who is crying.
now explain why the ice queen would've given one of them to a crying redhead...
the current Leia would NEVER do that...

looking forward to her character evolving, among other things involving Leia

'Current' Leia (in WiaB) is prior to all the traumas that will unfold in WiaB. There will be some thawing out of her attitude with much drama involved. We don't know how the story will change her. We also don't know what the symbolism of those earrings was, or the circumstances. Giving them to an unknown? They don't have to be related to be known: it's plausible that Nami's parents were killed in a situation that Leia feels personally guilty for.

The earring can be Leia planting a flag, as though Nami is her property, without it needing to be that Nami is a blood relative.

Further, Leia might end up with bad memories of the earrings. She might renounce the earrings as part of her life that is over.

Lastly, original Wiab had two characters wearing them. Leia, who started off with three types of earrings through the game, and Sedilia (spelling? can't be bothered checking it out right now) who was the redhead working at the clothing shop, who went to school with the Zanes. Sedilia could easily be Nami's mother, we simply don't know if she's even a character in the rebooted WiaB.

Bro the explanation is obviously that Nami is not a unknown girl to Leia, which isnt really a secret considering Katie Zane visited the book club because she was aware of Nami attending.

There are OBVIOUS connections between Nika, Nami and the Zane's, maybe they are related, maybe not but there are connections as the bookclub proved but even before that it was already known that Nojiko worked for Scarlett Zane and so on.

There is a reason why Leia gave Sasha and Nami an earring each (or made someone else gave the earrings to them) we just dont know what it is. It could be that they are both daughters of William and the earrings are a sign of Zane protection as they dont wear the Surname, or its something else but there will be a reason. And the reason obviously wont be related to the monetary worth of the earrings.

The current Leia hasnt reconciled with willy yet and doesnt have a Legacy yet, shes bound to change and i at least can imagine her as a "godmother" of the Zane "clan" who takes care in some distant ways for the offspring of her family but we will see.

But ocean doesnt keep pointing out the earrings multiple times in sg and wiab just to reveal at some point: yo btw these are cheap copies from china, no meaning whatsoever

Scarlet is not a Zane. Zane is Dylan's surname, Helen is Zane by marriage, Scarlet is Joe's wife, so Lucas and Katarina have that surname, I don't think it's ever been mentioned. It's be a really rare circumstance where Helen and Scarlet both kept their surnames. The Zanes are all related to Dylan (at least by name, on paper). So further Zanes would be from Dylan's side of the family, any brother's or sisters of his.

The earring thing I think you've hit spot on - it's a sign of Zane favour or protection. Keeping in mine that it seems (even if not directly stated) Nika and Nami both were given some sort of condition that forced them to accept a place at ZPR, Coach Hill knows about Nika from before, KAtie keeps her eye on her start basketball player in her gambit (Nika would have been captain in his old team) there's so many different plausible connections for Katie to be interested in the two of them. We simply don't know ...where that interest began (sorry not sorry). As you point out, Sasha having an earring, and Nami having an earring doesn't automatically make them sisters. It's simply a sign of favout. The sign might also be given for different reasons. Petrova as a lawyer (if that's still true) might have needed some kind of significant sign of trust from Leia.

Leia would need heaps of those earrings to give to all Willi's sproglings, so I think it's more nuanced than that. It's probably more a godmother/protection/favour/obligation symbol.

 

[imzahai]

"... it's plausible that Nami's parents were killed in a situation that Leia feels personally guilty for. "

that comment i can get behind, because it leaves A LOT of openings as to why. she could have gotten them killed via car accident, or arguing with emile or w/e his name is and he accidently killed them via car accident, etc.
i totally forgot about the red head in WiaB...
imma have to do a run-thru again i think.

i just figured Occam's razor, it was random act of kindness from X.
It MAY have started a chain reaction after the fact; like Noji recognized them and made some calls... [good or bad]
IF Noji is related to Miru that would add further credence to those who believe it's a symbol of Zane protection, as Noji may have taken them in to snub the Zanes, or... maybe she really was the best friend of [MC or Nami's] Mom.
Daphne could be mommy for 1 or both of them...
Noji would then not be related to Miru, unless it shows Miru's family meeting her in later episodes of WiaB...

regardless we need more Daphne. and Nami, and Nia, and Vic, ok i'll stop now.