VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[BobTheDuck]

Katie isn't a Zane? hmmmm......

You really talk (type) some waffle a lot.

Honest to God I have no clue what games this dude is playing. Can anyone even make sense of his post?

Melanie Cyril is portrayed as a borderline sociopath that was beating other children for no reason as a child herself, bullying schoolmates in middle school and by all accounts (which are several) seems to not have improved as a young adult.

Zara's mother is portrayed being abusive to her daughter when she was really young and later tried to manipulate both daughters into believing their father was a creep.

Vanessa literally saved her younger sister from several more years of abuse at the hands of her mother.

Then implies Bella is a liar when lying is the only thing she is yet to do in the fucking game.

I don't even understand the last part. Is he implying only Leia is a Zane? Or that only Leia is a criminal when in the other game we literally see the rest of the family being complicit?!?

He's either a troll fishing for reactions or an absolute and utter moron.

The "Katie isn not a Zane thing, I think he once explained it: he believes that Helen cucked Dylan or something, Dylan is the Zane by blood. However, her legal name in both games IS Zane, and she works for ZPR, so.... it's actually an interesting idea anyway.

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I'm not convinced, but it's not impossible to see. The other bits? I can't see the connections. I do like that he thinks outside the box even if it seems wild to me though; the thing about Katie is plausible to some extent, and might actually lead to major plot points. Just not sure there's anything in old versions or reworks that directly support that idea.

 

[RNasc4444]

The "Katie isn not a Zane thing, I think he once explained it: he believes that Helen cucked Dylan or something, Dylan is the Zane by blood. However, her legal name in both games IS Zane, and she works for ZPR, so.... it's actually an interesting idea anyway.

But her legal last name is still Zane. It does not matter if she's Jabba's kid, Dylan's kid, both or neither. She is a Zane. Period.

Either way, once again, this all stems from Ocean's lack of clarity regarding anything in this story. The ZPR thing is just a drop in the bucket of problems. Initially the ZPR thing was mentioned as a sponsorship. Which I assume meant a sponsorship to the entire athletics department, not just basketball. In the newer versions though, the sponsorship thing was dropped and it now seems as if ZPR actually owns that particular College, if not the entire University.

We simply don't have enough information to speculate. We never have enough information to speculate. About anything. There is nothing tangible here. The MC is the only narrator we have and he's utterly unreliable at that. Such a shitty way to tell a story...but I digress...

 

[soprano31]

"The creepiest,necrophiliac-like erection aid you can have"..

 

[Ray_D]

SENSATION!
Ocean failed this month, just like every other month of the year! This time he pinned so many hopes on the release on Steam, but Patreon statistics are merciless! His disastrous monthly releases are causing even his most loyal supporters to leave!
Still, it’s great that I only need one click to send them to ignore, and they have to waste their time registering a new alt account.

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It's over man, those non-believers did not appreciate the genius of ocean.

 

[White cat6]

Honest to God I have no clue what games this dude is playing. Can anyone even make sense of his post?

Melanie Cyril is portrayed as a borderline sociopath that was beating other children for no reason as a child herself, bullying schoolmates in middle school and by all accounts (which are several) seems to not have improved as a young adult.

Zara's mother is portrayed being abusive to her daughter when she was really young and later tried to manipulate both daughters into believing their father was a creep.

Vanessa literally saved her younger sister from several more years of abuse at the hands of her mother.

Then implies Bella is a liar when lying is the only thing she is yet to do in the fucking game.

I don't even understand the last part. Is he implying only Leia is a Zane? Or that only Leia is a criminal when in the other game we literally see the rest of the family being complicit?!?

He's either a troll fishing for reactions or an absolute and utter moron.

For the sake of a moron, I’ll explain. I meant that Leah is the only Zane who is a shareholder of the ZPR. Katie is the lead designer only and is not a shareholder.
We again know that Zara’s mother was cruel to her only from Bella’s story. And in general, we draw all our conclusions about the characters only from Bella’s words.
Is Holgerson a scoundrel? We'll find out from Bella.
Is Zara's mother bad? Again from Bella.
Is Officer Cyril bad? Bella again.
Are you calling Melanie Cyril a sociopath? But at the same time, she was what Bella is currently. At the same time, Melanie is bad and Bella is good? Don't you think you have double standards?

 

[yossa999]

For the sake of a moron, I’ll explain.

For fuck sake, really? It's fucking precious to hear this from someone who can't put their thoughts straight.

I meant that Leah is the only Zane who is a shareholder of the ZPR. Katie is the lead designer only and is not a shareholder.

Then fucking write on the first try what you meant so that people can understand you, and don’t call others morons because they can’t read your mind.

We again know that Zara’s mother was cruel to her only from Bella’s story. And in general, we draw all our conclusions about the characters only from Bella’s words.

Bullshit, we know primarily from Zara about her mother, about her cheating on Nick, about her attempt to accuse Nick of abusing his daughters. And Bella only confirms Zara's words, adding color to that mother-of-the-year attitude towards her daughter.

Is Holgerson a scoundrel? We'll find out from Bella.

This is true. For now, he can only be accused of touching Bella's hand in a restaurant without permission. Well, and maybe in falsely accusing Mila of a crime she did not commit. But it is not clear, perhaps the false accusation came from Mario. Or even more spicy, it was advised to him by Vanessa.

Is Zara's mother bad? Again from Bella.

Again bullshit.

Is Officer Cyril bad? Bella again.

That's right. So far, only her crazy smile and cocky behavior are the "evidences" that she is bad. Not enough information to decide.

Are you calling Melanie Cyril a sociopath? But at the same time, she was what Bella is currently. At the same time, Melanie is bad and Bella is good? Don't you think you have double standards?

You really don't see the difference between Mel C, who gathers a pack to beat up a classmate she doesn't like, and Bella, who fights back against those who try to insult her, like Kate? And while Bella's pranks are quite vicious, like what she did to Nami, for example, are they the same as Mel C's attempts to drown Vic?

Moreover, please note that different characters at different times tell the MC the same thing, that Mel C is completely fucked up in her head: Zara, she doesn’t say this directly, but we know later from Vic that she even had to fight with Mel to stand up for Vic. Mila, who told the MC about Mel's gang bullying Bella at school, and Vic herself, who became one of her victims.

 

[AlexFXR]

SENSATION!
Ocean failed this month, just like every other month of the year! This time he pinned so many hopes on the release on Steam, but Patreon statistics are merciless! His disastrous monthly releases are causing even his most loyal supporters to leave!
Still, it’s great that I only need one click to send them to ignore, and they have to waste their time registering a new alt account.

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So why did you make a fuss? Everything is fine with Ocean so far. The rating dropped a little on Patreon, but this was quite predictable, as were low sales on Steam. Fans of the game constantly write on the forum that they want sex scenes, and games without sex are of no interest to anyone. That's why this is the result.

 

[N1ghtcrawler]

I'm little bit biased because I like Nojiko, but Nick's help is just too fast and too convenient. And at the right time. I just don't trust him.

What do you mean his help was too fast and convenient? He's Noji's boyfriend. What was he supposed to tell her? Sorry, my love, but you're too poor for my mansion? He likes Nika and Nami too. He wants them to join his family, of course he will do anything to speed up the process and make them like him.

Zara's mother loves her daughter very much and tried to protect her, but Vanessa did not allow it.

She loves her daughters so much that she didn't bother to rescue them and just left them with this creep.
Mother of the year!

And trust less of what Bella says. She lies constantly.

Damn, now I'm the one defending Bella here.
Bella makes hasty and biased judgments about people.
But she believes what she says. She's not a liar.

In this case, I trust her words about their mother.

Or even more spicy, it was advised to him by Vanessa.

This! Everything fits together. Like I said before, Vanessa is a pimp who works for Leia. She kidnapped Summer and gave her to the Holgersons. And then of course Summer ran away and turned into Sasha.

 

[RNasc4444]

For the sake of a moron, I’ll explain. I meant that Leah is the only Zane who is a shareholder of the ZPR. Katie is the lead designer only and is not a shareholder.
We again know that Zara’s mother was cruel to her only from Bella’s story. And in general, we draw all our conclusions about the characters only from Bella’s words.
Is Holgerson a scoundrel? We'll find out from Bella.
Is Zara's mother bad? Again from Bella.
Is Officer Cyril bad? Bella again.
Are you calling Melanie Cyril a sociopath? But at the same time, she was what Bella is currently. At the same time, Melanie is bad and Bella is good? Don't you think you have double standards?

You seem to have some insider info most of us don't. Talk to me about ZPR. I have questions:
Is it a corporation? An LLC? A Plc? Is it public or private?
What does the company do? I'm sure it's not pimping and drug dealing, that would be illegal.
Why would Leia be the only Zane that is a shareholder? How much stake does she own? What Petrova's are shareholders? Does Sasha not have a stake? Does her aunt have a stake?
Which Revera's are shareholders? Only Donna? How much does she own? I have to know!!!! Please tell us all you know!

Other than that the only take from you I don't find utterly unhinged is the Stefan Holgerson one. He doesn't seem to be a villain yet in SG or WiaB. You are right, the only source of our negative perception of him comes from Bella. But it's not like wanting to bang Amber is a crime. The shit she writes on the car when she defaces it though...that's more concearning. But then again it may have only been Bella perceiving some creepy vibes from him when she was a minor. So when it comes to Holgerson we only have her word, but Zara's mom and the Cyril sisters we have multiple sources all claiming the same. Hell officer Cyril blatantly displays abuse of power for us to see. She has no legal grounds whatsoever for that line of questioning. It was blatant harassment.

 

[BobTheDuck]

You seem to have some insider info most of us don't. Talk to me about ZPR. I have questions:
Is it a corporation? An LLC? A Plc? Is it public or private?
What does the company do? I'm sure it's not pimping and drug dealing, that would be illegal.
Why would Leia be the only Zane that is a shareholder? How much stake does she own? What Petrova's are shareholders? Does Sasha not have a stake? Does her aunt have a stake?
Which Revera's are shareholders? Only Donna? How much does she own? I have to know!!!! Please tell us all you know!

Other than that the only take from you I don't find utterly unhinged is the Stefan Holgerson one. He doesn't seem to be a villain yet in SG or WiaB. You are right, the only source of our negative perception of him comes from Bella. But it's not like wanting to bang Amber is a crime. The shit she writes on the car when she defaces it though...that's more concearning. But then again it may have only been Bella perceiving some creepy vibes from him when she was a minor. So when it comes to Holgerson we only have her word, but Zara's mom and the Cyril sisters we have multiple sources all claiming the same. Hell officer Cyril blatantly displays abuse of power for us to see. She has no legal grounds whatsoever for that line of questioning. It was blatant harassment.

And keep in mind Stefan gets Mila charged with the break in for absolutely no known reason. Coupled with Vanessa's creepy "I know so much about you... Miss Steiner" shows that Stefan's not trustworthy. They are doing things.

Stefan in some way (I suspect) is going to be involved in whatever plan Katie is hatching. It's not coincidence Stefan has a dinner with three different (and competitive) colleges represented. The question is whether he part of Katie's plan via Zoey, or running against the the Zanes.

I'm hoping for more cloak and dagger stuff to be honest. If anything, Ocean love spending time making things cinematically portentious. Love it.

 

[N1ghtcrawler]

Stefan in some way (I suspect) is going to be involved in whatever plan Katie is hatching. It's not coincidence Stefan has a dinner with three different (and competitive) colleges represented. The question is whether he part of Katie's plan via Zoey, or running against the the Zanes.

I will be very intrigued if Nika and the Zanes end up on opposite sides of the conflict. At least the main three - Katie, Leia, and William. Especially if they become the antagonists of SG. It will bring an interesting perspective to the story of both games and force the player to look at these characters from different angles by playing SG and WiAB at the same time.

 

[Ottoeight]

For the sake of a moron, I’ll explain. I meant that Leah is the only Zane who is a shareholder of the ZPR. Katie is the lead designer only and is not a shareholder.

We know a fucking NOTHING about that school, except that ZPR stands for Zane, Petrova and Revera. The rest comes from your assumptions.

We again know that Zara’s mother was cruel to her only from Bella’s story. And in general, we draw all our conclusions about the characters only from Bella’s words.

Hell no. You know what Vanessa and Zara told themselves about her.

Is Holgerson a scoundrel? We'll find out from Bella.

You know how he interacts with Nika and Nika's impressions about him as well.

Is Zara's mother bad? Again from Bella.

No, bro. Again from Zara and Vanessa themselves.

Is Officer Cyril bad? Bella again.
Are you calling Melanie Cyril a sociopath? But at the same time, she was what Bella is currently. At the same time, Melanie is bad and Bella is good? Don't you think you have double standards?

Again, you forgot what NIKA HIMSELF tells about officer Ceril. And what VIctoria AND Mila tell about Melanie.

So, don't you think YOU have double standards?

 

[razante]

I will be very intrigued if Nika and the Zanes end up on opposite sides of the conflict. At least the main three - Katie, Leia, and William. Especially if they become the antagonists of SG. It will bring an interesting perspective to the story of both games and force the player to look at these characters from different angles by playing SG and WiAB at the same time.

That would be very cool and different, but I don't think the story is leaning to that. What we are seeing, since Ayua invitation to train Nika, is the MC having more good interactions with the Zane's. Add the fact that we still have the doubts about the earings, the whole dead parents situation and the encounter with Katie that suggests some sort of kinship.

 

[Adhdclassic]

The many times I have played never noticed Nojiko being held from going after Katie

 

[fishbrain]

I will be very intrigued if Nika and the Zanes end up on opposite sides of the conflict. At least the main three - Katie, Leia, and William. Especially if they become the antagonists of SG. It will bring an interesting perspective to the story of both games and force the player to look at these characters from different angles by playing SG and WiAB at the same time.

Who's William?

I don't know how much I like this same universe future time game scenario. Doesn't it basically make everything kinetic that happens in WiaB?

 

[BobTheDuck]

Who's William?

I don't know how much I like this same universe future time game scenario. Doesn't it basically make everything kinetic that happens in WiaB?

Not really. Most games have a fixed plot with a fixed progression, but how you get there is the experience. Also, Ocean might not have the main events of SG impacted directly by WiaB, it might be a parallel story, or it might be a continuation, either way, we don't know because Ocean's not letting us know all the connections. So far we simply have cameos of players and familiar names. All the speculations is currently reading between the lines.

The stories are different enough to be worth playing.

 

[fishbrain]

Not really. Most games have a fixed plot with a fixed progression, but how you get there is the experience. Also, Ocean might not have the main events of SG impacted directly by WiaB, it might be a parallel story, or it might be a continuation, either way, we don't know because Ocean's not letting us know all the connections. So far we simply have cameos of players and familiar names. All the speculations is currently reading between the lines.

The stories are different enough to be worth playing.

To me just begs the question why do both at the same time, especially if it's a continuation. Just think how far along WiaB would be if he never would've created SG, or if he wouldn't have completely scrapped the story and started over. Could also mention that none of these are ever likely to be finished. Lol

 

[BobTheDuck]

To me just begs the question why do both at the same time, especially if it's a continuation. Just think how far along WiaB would be if he never would've created SG, or if he wouldn't have completely scrapped the story and started over. Could also mention that none of these are ever likely to be finished. Lol

Actually, the real question is whether you can maintain your interest in the story over the development time. Ocean's probably had his most successful year in his life, even with the provisional tax thing. Why on earth would he not want to keep going? If this trajectory continues, he can be a dev until he retires. Most games fail due to lack of support, then devs getting burnt out trying to make ends meet. So after Steam, it is more likely to be finished than it was 3 months ago. It's just whether or not players have the patience.

Regards the two stories, WiaB probably would've failed on it's own, and SG wouldn't have been a thing if Ocean hadn't planned WiaB. So it's pretty fruitless to imagine one without the other. If WiaB had the support SG managed, Ocean might have pushed harder to developing that first, but as it is, the second game is currently paying for the first, but the second game needs the first. The plot might not be exactly a continuation, but there's definite synergy.

 

[RNasc4444]

We know a fucking NOTHING about that school, except that ZPR stands for Zane, Petrova and Revera. The rest comes from your assumptions.

Do we even know that? Is it safe to assume that ZPR is only a school? Because let's not forget that ZPR started as a sponsorship to that college. Then at some point the college actually became ZPR and the whole sponsorship thing was dropped. Usually education institutions receive funding from foundations, companies and private donors. Donors are sometimes rewarded with a seat on the board.

If the college is ZPR, is it part of a larger university? Are there other colleges for different fields of study? Or is it a solo, independent school? What degrees does it offer? Does it only focus on Sports?

It bothers me how fucking little we know about it.

 

[fishbrain]

Actually, the real question is whether you can maintain your interest in the story over the development time. Ocean's probably had his most successful year in his life, even with the provisional tax thing. Why on earth would he not want to keep going? If this trajectory continues, he can be a dev until he retires. Most games fail due to lack of support, then devs getting burnt out trying to make ends meet. So after Steam, it is more likely to be finished than it was 3 months ago. It's just whether or not players have the patience.

Regards the two stories, WiaB probably would've failed on it's own, and SG wouldn't have been a thing if Ocean hadn't planned WiaB. So it's pretty fruitless to imagine one without the other. If WiaB had the support SG managed, Ocean might have pushed harder to developing that first, but as it is, the second game is currently paying for the first, but the second game needs the first. The plot might not be exactly a continuation, but there's definite synergy.

Who's William though? The way people are talking I feel like I should remember that name, but people are calling the mc Nika here which throws me off since I don't use that name.