VN Ren'Py Abandoned Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[Deleted member 7609580]

What Nika tells Amber during therapy sessions TOTALLY DENIES every single word you wrote.

Nika himself reveals during a conversation with Nami that he hid certain facts from Amber and then states that Nami from that period is the reason why he became impulsive. If Nika himself became the target of Nami's attacks isn't the reason, there are only three other scenarios that come to mind

The first Nika was her helper, but that doesn't work for me because Nika himself states that Nami thinks that he didn't care about her at all during high school.

Second Just the fact that Nami was bullying others, but if so, who was Nika fighting with? since Nami herself was the torturer, not the victim

And Third Nami was like Melenie Ceril during this period and she had a whole clique of friends who bullied others with her. Nika couldn't stand the bad influence they had on Nami, so he became impulsive and fought against them all these years.

And more and more I think that this third option is the most likely. The hidden fact is when Nika told Amber that there was a group of guys who were hitting on Nami and Nika outright told them to leave her alone and then started fighting with them, in fact it was her clique of bullies and they were responsible for the violent incident. After that, Nami promised Nika that she would break off contact with them and changed her behavior, which is why she gets so emotional when she sees someone trying or using physical violence against Nika.

 

[BobTheDuck]

Nika himself reveals during a conversation with Nami that he hid certain facts from Amber and then states that Nami from that period is the reason why he became impulsive. If Nika himself became the target of Nami's attacks isn't the reason, there are only three other scenarios that come to mind

The first Nika was her helper, but that doesn't work for me because Nika himself states that Nami thinks that he didn't care about her at all during high school.

Second Just the fact that Nami was bullying others, but if so, who was Nika fighting with? since Nami herself was the torturer, not the victim

And Third Nami was like Melenie Ceril during this period and she had a whole clique of friends who bullied others with her. Nika couldn't stand the bad influence they had on Nami, so he became impulsive and fought against them all these years.

And more and more I think that this third option is the most likely. The hidden fact is when Nika told Amber that there was a group of guys who were hitting on Nami and Nika outright told them to leave her alone and then started fighting with them, in fact it was her clique of bullies

Fourth option - Nami in attempting to attract Nika's attention attracted other boys attention, and Nika took pleasure in fighting them. Pretty sure that was the explanation in the script - Nami got popular with the boys, Nika fought them.

Spoiler: Therapy script

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Interestingly Nika says after Summer they got very close, but right there a couple of second later, he says Nami thought she didn't give a damn, and he was distant to her. So there's the thing where he lied to Amber to hide what the deal between him and Nami was I guess.

 

[Deleted member 7609580]

Fourth option - Nami in attempting to attract Nika's attention attracted other boys attention, and Nika took pleasure in fighting them. Pretty sure that was the explanation in the script - Nami got popular with the boys, Nika fought them.

Well, if Nika was enjoying it, he probably had no reason to be upset with Nami during this period, unless the optics changed after he ended up in the hospital. And generally this thing with this hospital is an additional thing that I don't really understand, whether it's a typing error or not, but the timeline doesn't match. They went to high school 6 hours west and he ended up in Aquilla hospital in Wollust, it was nowhere confirmed that they changed high school, how long have they lived there?. If it's not a writing error, it turns out that someone from the outside really wanted Nika to go to this particular hospital and not another one, as well as the fact that they lived in this city and went to this particular college.

 

[BobTheDuck]

Well, if Nika was enjoying it, he probably had no reason to be upset with Nami during this period, unless the optics changed after he ended up in the hospital. And generally this thing with this hospital is an additional thing that I don't really understand, whether it's a typing error or not, but the timeline doesn't match. They went to high school 6 hours west and he ended up in Aquilla hospital in Wollust, it was nowhere confirmed that they changed high school, how long have they lived there?

I'v written at length about that plot hole, I won't bore the thread with repeating all the ins and outs. It's bad writing. The cabin is 6 hours away from where they are by the way, not the school. The school is just "out west". But the lake is the lake that they currently go to, which was walking distance from their old house. It's eldritch geometries of time and space, strange calculus to make it work.

The important takeaways:
- the school is simply a different school from the one all the others went to (other than Nia), and the coaches of ZPR think it's close enough to track the prospects of students there.
- he got hospitalised from a violent incident, that has resulted in him losing the agressive fighting stance and attitude he had right after Summer disappeared.
- It appears they had some sort of special deal finishing school to avoid further hassle after Nika was hospitalised (maybe to do with the charge that was brought against him).

Timeline appears* to be:
- happy Summer time, all three happy yay! except Nami faking, somewhere in Wollust in Tropics highschool, starting out and Nika is almost captain of the team, he's so good yay!
- Summer went somewhere not in Wollust,maybe heaven, maybe hell
- Nika and Nami are at Tropics highschool, Nika can be arsed doing anything other than beating people up. Nami is enjoying being out of Summer's shadow even if Nika's now a proplem. This is a couple of years.
- Nika gets in a violent incident and is hospitalised, highschool is over (no idea if they finished remotely, or just didn't finish).
- Game starts, it's probably been a year after the incident. Noji wants him out being productive so she can get some of Nick instead.

*may not be true

Treat it like a dream where things are far away, but you can reach them in a single step. the distance doesn't really matter to the story other than explaining why they don't know anyon at ZPR.

Regards Nika enjoying beating people up, he can enjoy it and enjoy being mad at Nami for wanting rolls. He could have enjoyed hating her at that point, because she snitched on him to Officer Laverne. I don't think we can reduce the motives of what's going on there until we actually know, because Nika has already mentioned he's been lying to Amber when describing it. And, his memory is lying to him, he can't remember the hospital until reminded.

 

[Deleted member 7609580]

I'v written at length about that plot hole, I won't bore the thread with repeating all the ins and outs. It's bad writing. The cabin is 6 hours away from where they are by the way, not the school. The school is just "out west". But the lake is the lake that they currently go to, which was walking distance from their old house. It's eldritch geometries of time and space, strange calculus to make it work.

There's really no one on his private Discord to help him catch this type of stuff?, so all you need to do is locate their old school, let's say 30 km west of Wollust, and place a lake exactly in the middle, say 15 km between one and the other, and then rewrite Nojiko's text about the trip to cabin and let's say it starts to fit

and I have two little questions for you Bob because I see that you know a lot about this game

Coach Hill saying she heard about Nika before and Nami snitching Nika away to officer Laverne can it be found in the game now or was it in the pre-rework version because I can't find it anywhere

And if Ocean can produce 1,000 renders a month, does he ever intend to refresh these outdated renders from the middle of season 1 to make the whole thing feel more coherent?

 

[Penfold Mole]

I'v written at length about that plot hole, I won't bore the thread with repeating all the ins and outs. It's bad writing. The cabin is 6 hours away from where they are by the way, not the school. The school is just "out west". But the lake is the lake that they currently go to, which was walking distance from their old house. It's eldritch geometries of time and space, strange calculus to make it work.

Oh, I think I just realized how to solve this geometry problem without breaking the space-time continuum!

The cabin could be 6 hours drive away because the road there goes around something, some geographical obstruction that cars are unable to cross - mountains, a wide river or a river in a deep canyon somewhere up the mountains and the road goes around these obstacles, creating a wide loop of 6 hours drive there.

But at the same time the lake and maybe even the cabin are in a small hike distance on foot. A shortcut. Maybe there's a small suspension bridge across the canyon or you have to climb up or down a slope too steep for cars . Maybe the cabin is also further away than the lake.

With the ground around here having much less lumps and bumps than Beanpole's body does, I failed to realize until now that such obstacles may exist in some places. I've only been in real mountains a few times, so I'm not used to think in 3D when it comes to geography and travel distances.

Of course, it may be a bit unrealistic that no shortcuts in the form of tunnels or bridges have ever created to reach these places, but they may be in a scarcely or completely unpopulated area. Maybe a nature reserve of some sorts.

Obviously, I haven't really thought about it before, so it could still create some inconsistencies...

 

[BobTheDuck]

There's really no one on his private Discord to help him catch this type of stuff, so all you need to do is locate their old school, let's say 30 km west of Wollust, and place a lake exactly in the middle, say 15 km between one and the other, and then rewrite Nojiko's text about the trip to cabin and let's say it starts to fit

and I have two little questions for you Bob because I see that you know a lot about this game

Coach Hill saying she heard about Nika before and Nami snitching Nika away to officer Laverne can it be found in the game now or was it in the pre-rework version because I can't find it anywhere

And if Ocean can produce 1,000 renders a month, does he ever intend to refresh these outdated renders from the middle of season 1 to make the whole thing feel more coherent?

The thing about discord is he did have a channel to report things, but he really needs someone to proof read,not for spelling mistakes but for the overall plan. The problem is you patch one inconsistency just to reveal another. If Ocean skipped some of these details, it wouldn't be inconsistent, but it'd feel pretty bland. The details are what make it plausible. Mst people don't care though, it's enough that the school is different and it's supposedly further away etc. We might as well measure distance by the number of renders - it really doesn't change the story, it's just there is so many little details it's hard for anyone to keep straight. The only real issue here is the cabin being set 6 hours away by car - it's implausible for Nika and Summer to have gotten there on their own, and for Nami to call Jane (who is a family friend? Truant officer? Was Nika already in trouble while WITH Summer?) Place it an hour's drive away, it's far enough to be plausible, especially when they have alke in walking distance to their current house...

I'm just good at remembering topics to search the script file ...and I might have played it a few times, with each different path available to get a broader picture, nerd that I am.

They're both in the full season. Coach Hill's info was an addition to the first season, the other has always been in the story line.

Spoiler: Coach Hill talking to Nika IF Bella knees him in the nuts because there's no heist

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Spoiler: Nami sending Jane Larverne after Summer and Nika

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Regards the renders and fixes to season 1 - let them be. When Ocean finishes, he can revise these. Most big games would have a continuity check towards the end before release. Because this is episodic, it's a lot harder. I don't personally want Ocean to spend time making season 1 perfect: he's released it to the best that he could manage, lets move on. It's already a great achievement.

Oh, I think I just realized how to solve this geometry problem without breaking the space-time continuum!

The cabin could be 6 hours drive away because the road there goes around something, some geographical obstruction that cars are unable to cross - mountains, a wide river or a river in a deep canyon somewhere up the mountains and the road goes around these obstacles, creating a wide loop of 6 hours drive there.

But at the same time the lake and maybe even the cabin are in a small hike distance on foot. A shortcut. Maybe there's a small suspension bridge across the canyon or you have to climb up or down a slope too steep for cars . Maybe the cabin is also further away than the lake.

With the ground around here having much less lumps and bumps than Beanpole's body does, I failed to realize until now that such obstacles may exist in some places. I've only been in real mountains a few times, so I'm not used to think in 3D when it comes to geography and travel distances.

Of course, it may be a bit unrealistic that no shortcuts in the form of tunnels or bridges have ever created to reach these places, but they may be in a scarcely or completely unpopulated area. Maybe a nature reserve of some sorts.

Obviously, I haven't really thought about it before, so it could still create some inconsistencies...

Totally possible, but I still think it's just an oversight. Ocean wanted the cabin to be somewhere Nika and Summer disappeared to, that was unsupervised, and nowhere near their friends, far enough that they can't get home after the sun sets. 1 hour walk is enough. 1 hour by car is enough. 6 hours by car is passing through how many countries borders in middle Europe? Doesn't need to be that far at all

 

[LHDLLB]

Noji forces the therapy because of how Nika treated Bella by triggering her, not the home invasion. It's poorly written, the last straw is if you did the home invasion - but you have to go to therapy even if you didn't. Nami doesn't snitch on you either, so the therapy is independent of the break in. As I say, poorly written - the cause and effect aren't properly connected. It should be because of the lack of empathy you show Bella, because of triggering her, and that's a really shitting thing to do (as both Ayua and Nami realise).

So the therapy is recognising that although NIka is quiet at the moment, he needs help socialising and understanding how to reintegrate to society rather than anger management or morality compass issues.

As far as to what or why Nami triggered/egged Nika along post Summer, that's undisclosed, and seems to be a plot point. I think there will be elements of that, but the way Nika talks about

Spoiler: their past

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highly suggests there's some Natural Born Killers vibes going on (not that intense, but even still), playing risky games for adrenaline to feel alive. Post Summer both Nika and Nami were adrift for different reasons, NIka more so, and Nami's effectively masked her issues by deferring to Nika.

I am sorry, did was I that write bad or was bad writer from Ocean part ? I only intended to point out that Nika did not seek out therapy or it was related to Nami.

I think that the therapy can be all of that, not long ago the thread was discussion that Nika is not really a good person and has a fucked up moral compass. But I agree with you, his goal with it is to be more social.

is true that we don't know, but I can't imagine something else. My problem with the Nami Yandere theory is that would make her much like Leia and Nami reminds more of Katie. She was the third wheel that wanted to fit in, as you said, jealosus of their intimacy. Katie also did fucked up things but she is not Leia. I don't think that whatever Nami did was as thought out as Nika believe

 

[BobTheDuck]

I am sorry, did was I that write bad or was bad writer from Ocean part ? I only intended to point out that Nika did not seek out therapy or it was related to Nami.

I think that the therapy can be all of that, not long ago the thread was discussion that Nika is not really a good person and has a fucked up moral compass. But I agree with you, his goal with it is to be more social.

is true that we don't know, but I can't imagine something else. My problem with the Nami Yandere theory is that would make her much like Leia and Nami reminds more of Katie. She was the third wheel that wanted to fit in, as you said, jealosus of their intimacy. Katie also did fucked up things but she is not Leia. I don't think that whatever Nami did was as thought out as Nika believe

Oh no - I meant bad writing from Ocean - it's implied that Noji knows about the heist, when Nami specifically didn't snitch (or so we are lead to believe). The therapy happens no matter what you do, and it happens before you fight with Sai (I think you get the message in the class before the fight). The only thing Nika has done is trigger Bella over her sister. Noji mentions Bella's name before she meets Bella at therapy... so the implication is that Nami told Noji that Nika mistreated Bella. The reason I say it's bad writing is that it is not clear what triggers it, and if you go on the heist, that's the last straw... but what's the last straw if you don't go on the heist? It's the same outcome for different reasons. The only two things that make sense are the way he treats Bella and that he admits he's having difficulties being social to Noji (ie helping Vic, meeting too many people outside his comfort zone). But as it's kind of framed as a "you did something so off to therapy you go", the things that triggers it must be ho Nika treats Bella.

I don't think of Nami as a yandere, but someone who is capable of being dark and potentially decietful, when all we've seen is her being nice. When she gets angry though, we can see that she has the potential to be strongly affected, even if she can calm quickly and doesn't hold a grudge.

 

[LHDLLB]

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I don't think of Nami as a yandere, but someone who is capable of being dark and potentially decietful, when all we've seen is her being nice. When she gets angry though, we can see that she has the potential to be strongly affected, even if she can calm quickly and doesn't hold a grudge.

That is certainly true, not only for Nami but everyone. Is just that a not small part of the fandom portrayed Nami as much darker than she may be. As i said, she reminds me more of Katie, someone who did bad out of felling bad rather than Leia that do bad because she likes it.

 

[yossa999]

That is certainly true, not only for Nami but everyone. Is just that a not small part of the fandom portrayed Nami as much darker than she may be. As i said, she reminds me more of Katie, someone who did bad out of felling bad rather than Leia that do bad because she likes it.

I don't think the fandom portrayed Nami like this. The author talks about this through his characters.

Spoiler: Nia & Nika, ch5

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Spoiler: Nami & Nika, ch4x5

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So, as you can see, the MC believes that Nami's kindness to him may be compensation for what she did in the past. Nia says Nami was mean and the MC confirms it. The Fandom of the Opera didn't come up with this out of nowhere.

 

[Penfold Mole]

Uhh, I'd like to see the popular mean Nami in a flashback.

 

[Joshy92]

I don't think the fandom portrayed Nami like this. The author talks about this through his characters.

Spoiler: Nia & Nika, ch5

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So, as you can see, the MC believes that Nami's kindness to him may be compensation for what she did in the past. Nia says Nami was mean and the MC confirms it. The Fandom of the Opera didn't come up with this out of nowhere.

I'm going to ignore all that and say Nami is a perfect angel.

 

[yossa999]

I'm going to ignore all that and say Nami is a perfect angel.

Of course she is. It's funny, I remember a TV series where another perfect angel, just like her, drove a convertible with the license plate "FALL1N1"
But I'm sure you're buttering her up just so you can have a threesome with her and Nia.

 

[Joshy92]

Of course she is. It's funny, I remember a TV series where another perfect angel, just like her, drove a convertible with the license plate "FALL1N1"
But I'm sure you're buttering her up just so you can have a threesome with her and Nia.

My friend it's me your talking to you know the kind of threesome I want wouldn't be allowed.

 

[xCalon]

I'm going to ignore all that and say Nami is a perfect angel.

Of course she is, she absolutely loves handholding, and headpats too.

 

[Ray_D]

I'm going to ignore all that and say Nami is a perfect angel.

She's not a perfect angel, after all she wants to fuck her roommate, what kind of degenerate is she?

 

[yossa999]

Of course she is, she absolutely loves handholding, and headpats too.

Although it sounds oddly dirty in the context of your response to Joshy, she can be very sweet sometimes.

Spoiler: Cheeto being touchy

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[Adhdclassic]

I'm hoping my starting lineup will meet.
Coach-Helen
Center-Leia
Forwards-Mila and Dana
Guards-Zoey and Victoria
6th man-Emilia

 

[LHDLLB]

I don't think the fandom portrayed Nami like this. The author talks about this through his characters.

Spoiler: Nia & Nika, ch5

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Spoiler: Nami & Nika, ch4x5

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So, as you can see, the MC believes that Nami's kindness to him may be compensation for what she did in the past. Nia says Nami was mean and the MC confirms it. The Fandom of the Opera didn't come up with this out of nowhere.

I am aware of this conversation, and Nami denies the MC interpretation, she may be lying she may be not. And I am not trying to say that Nami did nothing wrong or was a saint, just that, lefted to the imagination is only natural that people think the worse possibilite.

Nami is certainly capable of act evil, and I do belive that she did, I only think that is not something as signicative as we might think and for reasons much differents.