VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[Thepenguin92]

Yeah I wonder if we'll get flashbacks of this evil version of Nami during the next session with Amber. and I also have to admit that when I first saw this memory with the eraser and Nami's reaction, my first thought was that she was more jealous of Nika than of Summer. Nami had to experience all this for at least 3 years and her 'bad period' could have been, as you write, getting it out of her system, quoting Nadia and Zara. Turning into a bad kid after losing contact with someone close is generally a theme in the Oceanverse so far, so far we know that it happened to Nika, Nami, Leia and Bella and I won't be surprised that if Summer shows up one day, it will also turn out that she had a period in which she turned into Winter or is even still in it

Yeah I feel like it mostly comes from feeling like summer betrayed her even though nami's feeling for nika werent clear but to anyone but her. Its like he told amber summer and nami started to resent each other shortly after summer started pursuing him. I can see her trying to play games and control people so she couldnt be hurt like that again. But it probably killed her inside the whole time they were together and maybe even resented summer for leaving him in the state he was in even though it obviously wasnt her fault he ended up so broken from it.

The unclear part if if summer is even gone like you said. The memory just cuts off at the cabin everytime.

 

[Krytax123]

If we accept the thesis that the incident in the cabin was a violent incident, but to me it looks like she started a personal vendetta against Nika because Summer left her for him only when Summer disappeared, I suspect that she treated him very badly then, which led to Nika started having attacks of aggression, which eventually led to a violent incident. Then she felt guilty and convinced that it was because of her that she had changed. Summer disappeared when Nami was 14, bad Nami was at 15, 16, Nami as we know her is 17, 18 and 19

I disagree, i dont think its anything like that.

I think its 100% obvious that Nami was jealous of Summer taking Nika away from her and not the other way around. She was simply heartbroken and jealous and both are aware of that. Even Amber immediatly figueres it out after hearing about it for 2 seconds.

And i dont think that Nami treated Nika badly, i think its more of a case of her being an bully/asshole towards literally everyone else.

 

[BobTheDuck]

Yeah i see it as a coping mechanism for her. Im curious to how bad she was because I believe she always had a crush on nika given how she reacted to the summer incident. I know she lost her friend to him but I feel like that possessiveness she has, has always been there.

Yeah I wonder if we'll get flashbacks of this evil version of Nami during the next session with Amber. and I also have to admit that when I first saw this memory with the eraser and Nami's reaction, my first thought was that she was more jealous of Nika than of Summer. Nami had to experience all this for at least 3 years and her 'bad period' could have been, as you write, getting it out of her system, quoting Nadia and Zara. Turning into a bad kid after losing contact with someone close is generally a theme in the Oceanverse so far, so far we know that it happened to Nika, Nami, Leia and Bella and I won't be surprised that if Summer shows up one day, it will also turn out that she had a period in which she turned into Winter or is even still in it

I disagree, i dont think its anything like that.

I think its 100% obvious that Nami was jealous of Summer taking Nika away from her and not the other way around. She was simply heartbroken and jealous and both are aware of that. Even Amber immediatly figueres it out after hearing about it for 2 seconds.

And i dont think that Nami treated Nika badly, i think its more of a case of her being an bully/asshole towards literally everyone else.

If you look at Nami mimicing Summer's hairstyle now and when she was younger, my guess is that once Summer kissed Nika, Nami felt excluded and tried to emulate Summer. Nami is hard to read, but my guess is that, like in her talk with NIka about Noji and he excluding her, she feels like a third wheel, left out and uninvolved. Her attempts to mimic people and be vivacious are her coping mechanisms. In the coffee flashback, Nami tries to outdo everyone by being more, it's the same thing - she's insecure and tries to be impressive by going all out. Especially when she hulks.

Getting back to the mimic thing - we won't know 100% who Nami was the most jealous of. What I think is she was jealous of their intimacy; she felt left out at the back of the class, the odd one out. I think she was jealous of both.

THe cabin thing, and Nami reporting them missing to the police officer (truant officer?) Laverne could be her not being able to process the idea of them having something together that she wasn't allowed to share. Remember what she says about getting the earring - "you and Summer left me alone and when off somewhere again" or words to that effect. Her biggest fear is being alone.

About possessiveness, the thing is she doesn't want anyone to take Nika away from her, but if you're on her romance path, she is really upset with anyone else showing Nika affection. Her reactions to Bella are very different if Nika kisses Bella or if he interacts with Mila post Nami kiss. So she is very jealous, but also knows that she is desperate enough to take what she is granted.

We also don't know what Nami was like before, the talk after the fourway kiss if you walk with Nami shows that there is a different Nami who is not sugar and spice, that Nia isn't being too sensitive, but Nami can actually be a bitch. We're yet to find out how that all went down, but it'll be revealed - Nika will mention it in therapy at the least.

We also have the fact that Nika was at some point charged as a juvenile. So far we've only seen "happy" flash backs where Nika and Nami first knew Summer, we haven't seen any flashback of the period when Nika was fighting and Nami was mean. Which probably means there's some stuff there that Ocean wants to reveal slowly.

EDIT: Also, how Nami was when she was mean, was part of what made Nika how he is now, that's important to remember - from the talk after the fourway kiss. It's serious enough that he feels he needs therapy for it.

 

[LHDLLB]

Yeah I feel like it mostly comes from feeling like summer betrayed her even though nami's feeling for nika werent clear but to anyone but her. Its like he told amber summer and nami started to resent each other shortly after summer started pursuing him. I can see her trying to play games and control people so she couldnt be hurt like that again. But it probably killed her inside the whole time they were together and maybe even resented summer for leaving him in the state he was in even though it obviously wasnt her fault he ended up so broken from it.

The unclear part if if summer is even gone like you said. The memory just cuts off at the cabin everytime.

I will not pretend that a Yandere Nami is something that I am not interest about; but I don't really think that this is the case, if so, it would make her much like Leia and I don't think it is the case.

I don't really think that she did something bad, BAD, I see more as something that she is not proud of and would rather forget. Nami is jealous, but she has a trouple path and Mila don't, my point is that, yes she is possessive but she also is the one pushing Nika to normancy.

Another point is that we don't really know Summer, maybe she went after Nika knowing that Nami had feelings for him, maybe don't. The thing is, Nami might have legitimate reason to resent Summer that we don't know about.

I don't think that Nami ever confronted her feelings for Nika, she was happy to play with it because was safe as a joke, the moment Nika took action was when she had to admit that she had fellings for him. I doubt that 12 years old Nami understanded what she felt, she sundely was the third wheel, she lost Nika and her friend felt bad about it and acted petty later, not something to be proud off but hardly something evil

That said, would love Yandere Nami secretly killing every LI of the game

 

[LHDLLB]

EDIT: Also, how Nami was when she was mean, was part of what made Nika how he is now, that's important to remember - from the talk after the fourway kiss. It's serious enough that he feels he needs therapy for it.

I did not interpreted as the reason that he seeked therapy rather a factor in it, in fact Noji forces the therapy after the home invasion with Bella. My bet is that Nami knew that she was the reason that Nika was fighting and enable it, maybe even encourage it, one of those fight was the violent incidet, the charges or both of them, she realized that what she was doing was fucked up regreted it, and now is guilted over it.

Really don't think that even a piss off Nami would ever intentionally and direct harm Nika

 

[Ottoeight]

If we accept the thesis that the incident in the cabin was a violent incident, but to me it looks like she started a personal vendetta against Nika because Summer left her for him only when Summer disappeared, I suspect that she treated him very badly then, which led to Nika started having attacks of aggression, which eventually led to a violent incident. Then she felt guilty and convinced that it was because of her that she had changed. Summer disappeared when Nami was 14, bad Nami was at 15, 16, Nami as we know her is 17, 18 and 19

What Nika tells Amber during therapy sessions TOTALLY DENIES every single word you wrote.

 

[Ottoeight]

I did not interpreted as the reason that he seeked therapy rather a factor in it, in fact Noji forces the therapy after the home invasion with Bella. My bet is that Nami knew that she was the reason that Nika was fighting and enable it, maybe even encourage it, one of those fight was the violent incidet, the charges or both of them, she realized that what she was doing was fucked up regreted it, and now is guilted over it.

Really don't think that even a piss off Nami would ever intentionally and direct harm Nika

As Nika tells, Nami is DEFINITELY neither a smart nor a cunning person.

Honestly, everything she tells and everything she does makes her look like a dumb comedy sidekick.

 

[Krytax123]

As Nika tells, Nami is DEFINITELY neither a smart nor a cunning person.

Honestly, everything she tells and everything she does makes her look like a dumb comedy sidekick.

Im not the biggest Nami fan but i disagree. Nami is empathic and understanding when its necessary, she has deep talks with Nika like before the date with Bella at home and outside after the bar.

She has a serious mode and is able to have deep thoughts, but it only shows when its about Nika's wellbeing.

 

[PaxHadrian17]

Ocean has confirmed that the next episode will deliver an average of 5000 renders, right? That's a great number but we all know that it will take more than 1 year, in fact I predict 1.5 years. But he has already lost a lot of time due to rework and now he needs at least 1 more year. I don't think subscribers are going to like it, it seems like bad planning.

Ocean is a prolific creator, both in terms of number of renders and quality of renders.

You stated that delivering an update with around 5,000 renders is a great number and 'we all know that it will take more than 1 year' - 'WE' don't know that...

From the Dev Log, June 27, 2024

I fear the update might end up with 5000-8000 still renders. Yesterday, I checked, and this update has at least one scene for every relevant girl. (Yes, including Maja.)

I'd say 5000 renders is a safe bet. That would be double Chapter 5's render count.

I think it will be a great opening to the new season.


From the Dev Log, June 12, 2024

Chapter 1 has 28 scenes.

Just for comparison, Season 1 - Chapter 5 had 16 scenes.

Of course, some scenes are small, and some are quite big. But overall, this will be the biggest update I've ever done.
...
I will only say that S2 - Chapter 1 is planned to be released this year.


I'm going to trust Ocean the creator here, call me a maverick, and I believe that we will get a release in 2024.

Will we get the planned full CH 1 with 28 scenes in 2024 - I don't know.

I think Ocean is a creator who understands that SG needs a release in 2024 and it will get one.

The reality, IMO, is that a release with 14+ scenes would be awesome and have a ton of new story content.

From what we have seen of the preview renders, S2 CH 1 with 28 scenes is a multiday release.

From a content delivery perspective, ensuring a minimum of a 1 PD release is a no brainer and I see no reason why Ocean would not ensure that we get at least that before the end of 2024.

Between now and Christmas, I'm looking forward to more previews and hints at upcoming content, including some time with the lovely Maja!

Cheers!!

 

[Thepenguin92]

If you look at Nami mimicing Summer's hairstyle now and when she was younger, my guess is that once Summer kissed Nika, Nami felt excluded and tried to emulate Summer. Nami is hard to read, but my guess is that, like in her talk with NIka about Noji and he excluding her, she feels like a third wheel, left out and uninvolved. Her attempts to mimic people and be vivacious are her coping mechanisms. In the coffee flashback, Nami tries to outdo everyone by being more, it's the same thing - she's insecure and tries to be impressive by going all out. Especially when she hulks.

Getting back to the mimic thing - we won't know 100% who Nami was the most jealous of. What I think is she was jealous of their intimacy; she felt left out at the back of the class, the odd one out. I think she was jealous of both.

THe cabin thing, and Nami reporting them missing to the police officer (truant officer?) Laverne could be her not being able to process the idea of them having something together that she wasn't allowed to share. Remember what she says about getting the earring - "you and Summer left me alone and when off somewhere again" or words to that effect. Her biggest fear is being alone.

About possessiveness, the thing is she doesn't want anyone to take Nika away from her, but if you're on her romance path, she is really upset with anyone else showing Nika affection. Her reactions to Bella are very different if Nika kisses Bella or if he interacts with Mila post Nami kiss. So she is very jealous, but also knows that she is desperate enough to take what she is granted.

We also don't know what Nami was like before, the talk after the fourway kiss if you walk with Nami shows that there is a different Nami who is not sugar and spice, that Nia isn't being too sensitive, but Nami can actually be a bitch. We're yet to find out how that all went down, but it'll be revealed - Nika will mention it in therapy at the least.

We also have the fact that Nika was at some point charged as a juvenile. So far we've only seen "happy" flash backs where Nika and Nami first knew Summer, we haven't seen any flashback of the period when Nika was fighting and Nami was mean. Which probably means there's some stuff there that Ocean wants to reveal slowly.

EDIT: Also, how Nami was when she was mean, was part of what made Nika how he is now, that's important to remember - from the talk after the fourway kiss. It's serious enough that he feels he needs therapy for it.

Ill have to go back but I didnt realize he was actually charged. Damn nami definitely had something to do with that from what im guessing. She has it really bad for nika and I almost feel bad indulging it on her path because of how close you can tell she wants to be. When do they mention him being a juvenile?

 

[Thepenguin92]

Im not the biggest Nami fan but i disagree. Nami is empathic and understanding when its necessary, she has deep talks with Nika like before the date with Bella at home and outside after the bar.

She has a serious mode and is able to have deep thoughts, but it only shows when its about Nika's wellbeing.

yeah I feel her feeling for him are genuine and she would do anything for him. I just kinda have a problem where she has an issue with just laying it all out there while being as forward as she is with him

 

[BobTheDuck]

I did not interpreted as the reason that he seeked therapy rather a factor in it, in fact Noji forces the therapy after the home invasion with Bella. My bet is that Nami knew that she was the reason that Nika was fighting and enable it, maybe even encourage it, one of those fight was the violent incidet, the charges or both of them, she realized that what she was doing was fucked up regreted it, and now is guilted over it.

Really don't think that even a piss off Nami would ever intentionally and direct harm Nika

Noji forces the therapy because of how Nika treated Bella by triggering her, not the home invasion. It's poorly written, the last straw is if you did the home invasion - but you have to go to therapy even if you didn't. Nami doesn't snitch on you either, so the therapy is independent of the break in. As I say, poorly written - the cause and effect aren't properly connected. It should be because of the lack of empathy you show Bella, because of triggering her, and that's a really shitting thing to do (as both Ayua and Nami realise).

So the therapy is recognising that although NIka is quiet at the moment, he needs help socialising and understanding how to reintegrate to society rather than anger management or morality compass issues.

As far as to what or why Nami triggered/egged Nika along post Summer, that's undisclosed, and seems to be a plot point. I think there will be elements of that, but the way Nika talks about

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highly suggests there's some Natural Born Killers vibes going on (not that intense, but even still), playing risky games for adrenaline to feel alive. Post Summer both Nika and Nami were adrift for different reasons, NIka more so, and Nami's effectively masked her issues by deferring to Nika.

Ill have to go back but I didnt realize he was actually charged. Damn nami definitely had something to do with that from what im guessing. She has it really bad for nika and I almost feel bad indulging it on her path because of how close you can tell she wants to be. When do they mention him being a juvenile?

If you don't go on the heist/home invasion, Nika and Nami have a chat where

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There's no further details, but the assumption is it was related to the violent incident (because OCean really doesn't need heaps of separate incidents int he past, might as well unify things) and the charges were dropped, as his record was clean when Ceril looked him up on the database.

 

[Krytax123]

Noji forces the therapy because of how Nika treated Bella by triggering her, not the home invasion. It's poorly written, the last straw is if you did the home invasion - but you have to go to therapy even if you didn't. Nami doesn't snitch on you either, so the therapy is independent of the break in. As I say, poorly written - the cause and effect aren't properly connected. It should be because of the lack of empathy you show Bella, because of triggering her, and that's a really shitting thing to do (as both Ayua and Nami realise).

The reason Noji forces Nika to attend the therapy should have simply been him having a fight (again) at college and coming home with a cut.

After hearing the story’s of his fights (and his injury maybe related to it) it’s reasonable when Noji feels like she has to do something at this point considering Nika‘s past.

 

[Thepenguin92]

I will not pretend that a Yandere Nami is something that I am not interest about; but I don't really think that this is the case, if so, it would make her much like Leia and I don't think it is the case.

I don't really think that she did something bad, BAD, I see more as something that she is not proud of and would rather forget. Nami is jealous, but she has a trouple path and Mila don't, my point is that, yes she is possessive but she also is the one pushing Nika to normancy.

Another point is that we don't really know Summer, maybe she went after Nika knowing that Nami had feelings for him, maybe don't. The thing is, Nami might have legitimate reason to resent Summer that we don't know about.

I don't think that Nami ever confronted her feelings for Nika, she was happy to play with it because was safe as a joke, the moment Nika took action was when she had to admit that she had fellings for him. I doubt that 12 years old Nami understanded what she felt, she sundely was the third wheel, she lost Nika and her friend felt bad about it and acted petty later, not something to be proud off but hardly something evil

That said, would love Yandere Nami secretly killing every LI of the game

Yeah but I think the throuple path is available soley for the reason nami will probably take what she can get to stay close to nika. I dont think she would actually like it. I remember the post where ocean said you will have to work to keep it but I dont see ending well as bella obviously at this point doesnt want to share but she is falling for nika hard as well. i feel like its just a scenario where they will tolerate it to stay close to him but secretly want that to end.

 

[dameromexxx]

What Nika tells Amber during therapy sessions TOTALLY DENIES every single word you wrote.

Nika himself reveals during a conversation with Nami that he hid certain facts from Amber and then states that Nami from that period is the reason why he became impulsive. If Nika himself became the target of Nami's attacks isn't the reason, there are only three other scenarios that come to mind

The first Nika was her helper, but that doesn't work for me because Nika himself states that Nami thinks that he didn't care about her at all during high school.

Second Just the fact that Nami was bullying others, but if so, who was Nika fighting with? since Nami herself was the torturer, not the victim

And Third Nami was like Melenie Ceril during this period and she had a whole clique of friends who bullied others with her. Nika couldn't stand the bad influence they had on Nami, so he became impulsive and fought against them all these years.

And more and more I think that this third option is the most likely. The hidden fact is when Nika told Amber that there was a group of guys who were hitting on Nami and Nika outright told them to leave her alone and then started fighting with them, in fact it was her clique of bullies and they were responsible for the violent incident. After that, Nami promised Nika that she would break off contact with them and changed her behavior, which is why she gets so emotional when she sees someone trying or using physical violence against Nika.

 

[BobTheDuck]

Nika himself reveals during a conversation with Nami that he hid certain facts from Amber and then states that Nami from that period is the reason why he became impulsive. If Nika himself became the target of Nami's attacks isn't the reason, there are only three other scenarios that come to mind

The first Nika was her helper, but that doesn't work for me because Nika himself states that Nami thinks that he didn't care about her at all during high school.

Second Just the fact that Nami was bullying others, but if so, who was Nika fighting with? since Nami herself was the torturer, not the victim

And Third Nami was like Melenie Ceril during this period and she had a whole clique of friends who bullied others with her. Nika couldn't stand the bad influence they had on Nami, so he became impulsive and fought against them all these years.

And more and more I think that this third option is the most likely. The hidden fact is when Nika told Amber that there was a group of guys who were hitting on Nami and Nika outright told them to leave her alone and then started fighting with them, in fact it was her clique of bullies

Fourth option - Nami in attempting to attract Nika's attention attracted other boys attention, and Nika took pleasure in fighting them. Pretty sure that was the explanation in the script - Nami got popular with the boys, Nika fought them.

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Interestingly Nika says after Summer they got very close, but right there a couple of second later, he says Nami thought she didn't give a damn, and he was distant to her. So there's the thing where he lied to Amber to hide what the deal between him and Nami was I guess.

 

[dameromexxx]

Fourth option - Nami in attempting to attract Nika's attention attracted other boys attention, and Nika took pleasure in fighting them. Pretty sure that was the explanation in the script - Nami got popular with the boys, Nika fought them.

Well, if Nika was enjoying it, he probably had no reason to be upset with Nami during this period, unless the optics changed after he ended up in the hospital. And generally this thing with this hospital is an additional thing that I don't really understand, whether it's a typing error or not, but the timeline doesn't match. They went to high school 6 hours west and he ended up in Aquilla hospital in Wollust, it was nowhere confirmed that they changed high school, how long have they lived there?. If it's not a writing error, it turns out that someone from the outside really wanted Nika to go to this particular hospital and not another one, as well as the fact that they lived in this city and went to this particular college.

 

[BobTheDuck]

Well, if Nika was enjoying it, he probably had no reason to be upset with Nami during this period, unless the optics changed after he ended up in the hospital. And generally this thing with this hospital is an additional thing that I don't really understand, whether it's a typing error or not, but the timeline doesn't match. They went to high school 6 hours west and he ended up in Aquilla hospital in Wollust, it was nowhere confirmed that they changed high school, how long have they lived there?

I'v written at length about that plot hole, I won't bore the thread with repeating all the ins and outs. It's bad writing. The cabin is 6 hours away from where they are by the way, not the school. The school is just "out west". But the lake is the lake that they currently go to, which was walking distance from their old house. It's eldritch geometries of time and space, strange calculus to make it work.

The important takeaways:
- the school is simply a different school from the one all the others went to (other than Nia), and the coaches of ZPR think it's close enough to track the prospects of students there.
- he got hospitalised from a violent incident, that has resulted in him losing the agressive fighting stance and attitude he had right after Summer disappeared.
- It appears they had some sort of special deal finishing school to avoid further hassle after Nika was hospitalised (maybe to do with the charge that was brought against him).

Timeline appears* to be:
- happy Summer time, all three happy yay! except Nami faking, somewhere in Wollust in Tropics highschool, starting out and Nika is almost captain of the team, he's so good yay!
- Summer went somewhere not in Wollust,maybe heaven, maybe hell
- Nika and Nami are at Tropics highschool, Nika can be arsed doing anything other than beating people up. Nami is enjoying being out of Summer's shadow even if Nika's now a proplem. This is a couple of years.
- Nika gets in a violent incident and is hospitalised, highschool is over (no idea if they finished remotely, or just didn't finish).
- Game starts, it's probably been a year after the incident. Noji wants him out being productive so she can get some of Nick instead.

*may not be true

Treat it like a dream where things are far away, but you can reach them in a single step. the distance doesn't really matter to the story other than explaining why they don't know anyon at ZPR.

Regards Nika enjoying beating people up, he can enjoy it and enjoy being mad at Nami for wanting rolls. He could have enjoyed hating her at that point, because she snitched on him to Officer Laverne. I don't think we can reduce the motives of what's going on there until we actually know, because Nika has already mentioned he's been lying to Amber when describing it. And, his memory is lying to him, he can't remember the hospital until reminded.

 

[dameromexxx]

I'v written at length about that plot hole, I won't bore the thread with repeating all the ins and outs. It's bad writing. The cabin is 6 hours away from where they are by the way, not the school. The school is just "out west". But the lake is the lake that they currently go to, which was walking distance from their old house. It's eldritch geometries of time and space, strange calculus to make it work.

There's really no one on his private Discord to help him catch this type of stuff?, so all you need to do is locate their old school, let's say 30 km west of Wollust, and place a lake exactly in the middle, say 15 km between one and the other, and then rewrite Nojiko's text about the trip to cabin and let's say it starts to fit

and I have two little questions for you Bob because I see that you know a lot about this game

Coach Hill saying she heard about Nika before and Nami snitching Nika away to officer Laverne can it be found in the game now or was it in the pre-rework version because I can't find it anywhere

And if Ocean can produce 1,000 renders a month, does he ever intend to refresh these outdated renders from the middle of season 1 to make the whole thing feel more coherent?

 

[Penfold Mole]

I'v written at length about that plot hole, I won't bore the thread with repeating all the ins and outs. It's bad writing. The cabin is 6 hours away from where they are by the way, not the school. The school is just "out west". But the lake is the lake that they currently go to, which was walking distance from their old house. It's eldritch geometries of time and space, strange calculus to make it work.

Oh, I think I just realized how to solve this geometry problem without breaking the space-time continuum!

The cabin could be 6 hours drive away because the road there goes around something, some geographical obstruction that cars are unable to cross - mountains, a wide river or a river in a deep canyon somewhere up the mountains and the road goes around these obstacles, creating a wide loop of 6 hours drive there.

But at the same time the lake and maybe even the cabin are in a small hike distance on foot. A shortcut. Maybe there's a small suspension bridge across the canyon or you have to climb up or down a slope too steep for cars . Maybe the cabin is also further away than the lake.

With the ground around here having much less lumps and bumps than Beanpole's body does, I failed to realize until now that such obstacles may exist in some places. I've only been in real mountains a few times, so I'm not used to think in 3D when it comes to geography and travel distances.

Of course, it may be a bit unrealistic that no shortcuts in the form of tunnels or bridges have ever created to reach these places, but they may be in a scarcely or completely unpopulated area. Maybe a nature reserve of some sorts.

Obviously, I haven't really thought about it before, so it could still create some inconsistencies...