VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[LHDLLB]

Well, you can objectively find something aesthetic without caring about it. Most people can recognise a good sunset, but some people get emotional. Some people just eat and say the food is good, others get way too excited by bread rolls. All I'm saying is that Nika knows what he sees, he knows what he likes, but that doesn't mean anything that gets him excited. He is not visually stimulated means that he isn't stimulated by the visuals, not that he can't recognise shapes, or say what's expected.

Part of the problem is Ocean has embedded a few chocies into the start to get and idea of the players preferences, the clearest ones are with Mila talking about t and a, with Nami's talk about feet, and with Karen and size. But remember that Vanessa getting naked caused no reaction, Bella being naked caused no reaction. In fact, other than Nami, no naked girl caused a reaction. The twin in the locker room? Nope. Robin sitting on him as much as Nami did? Nope, Bella humping him in multiple locations? Nope. Nia's sex toys and flashing her piercings? Nothing. He calls Zara's pancake boobs - which clearly they're not - which means he uses the complements or insults to get a reaction - he knows what normal people would do and he tries to act normal.

He gets introduced to a porn star, and remembers her breasts, just to find out about how long Noji has been lying to him. His mind is not associating any of this with sex or romance. That is why the change of perception with Nami or the scents affect him - they're sensations he's not used to. Look at those instances and see how uncertain he is. I mean, the way he gropes Mila while kissing Vic, Nami knows he's trying to mask his discomfort, that's why he rocks a panic attack later. The connections in hin mind between the sensory stimulation and his responses, those pathways are disconnected by the trauma.

As i said I get you. We just have a different take on it. I understand the intent of those choices but Nika is not a vessel that only projects the players intent, he has a personality of his own and I feel that if those things are of no interest to him he would not have them or have them in another manner.

I agree that trauma has neutered his libido so he don't have a sexual response to thing as nudity and even direct contact, unless is Nami, I just don't equal it as him having no interested in them because he has show that he has - for me at least - what he don't has is the mind state to enjoy it.

 

[Ray_D]

Forcing me to turn my brain off to "roommate" and "landlady" ain't no fucking landlord gives a fuck about their "tenants" and at the very least they sure as fuck don't raise them or pay for their psycological wellness fees lol. I know it's because of patreons views on incest. but even as someone against it. I feel beyond dumb reading this shit,when Nami is clearly his sister, adopted or blood related. And Nojiko is clearly his adopted mother/guardian. I'd prefer they had them named as such.

I always thought that nami was nika's best friend and nojiko was friends with her mother or something.

 

[Dr.TSoni]

nojiko was friends with her mother or something.

Yes, but at the moment Noji has some kind of legal relationship towards Nika and Nami

 

[Tokenugget]

Well, the actual problem is that Nika has HEAPS of testosterone, if we believe the removed images of his dick are still relevant, and his amazing muscle growth. It would be plausible if he had a tiny weiner and stayed a noodle - but with raging hormones, he'd need to change the sheets more than once.

Maybe the reason he jokes about dead children is he has to change his sheets after nightmares

Actually, maybe the exercise woke up the testosterone, and he'll have to change the sheets more often which will be embarrassing at Nick's place... after all the muscle mass didn't start until after college and all the hotties entered his radar. Delayed puberty?

Taking your comments more seriously, I took those kinds of statements from Nika as tongue in cheek - Nika is partially having a dig at Nami who is always looking for a sexual meaning in almost everything, she probably gets orgasms from her rolls etc. Nika not wanting to bang anyone is not ridiculous though - his problem isn't physical (as evidenced by testosterone/muscle growth) but mental - he doesn't see bodies as attractive. Consider what does get to him - scents. He notices smells and they make him feel funny, but his eyes don't care about tits or ass. His prudery with Nami in the spa is more because he isn't interested in sex and she keeps trying to push porn, talk about her fantasies, Noji's sex dungeon - he's just tired of her antics, kinda embarrassed by her. In the book club scene he makes it awkward for her, just like he does at the start when he alludes to the porn she rented. When she gave him a chub at the lake, it was physical sensation, not visual.

So yeah, he literally finds visual stimulation irrelevant. The eyes see, but the brain doesn't associate. The issue that Noji didn't find traces of ...issue... well, that's bad writing. I'm guessing Ocean meant that she didn't find tissues like Nami leaves next to her bread rolls, rather than Nika doesn't need to wash his sheets.

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I get your point, but my main point was that a male at that age and doesn't blow a load for years? Even if that were possible, it's great way to get prostate cancer.

But i will say that the MC kind of gets visually attracted to Bella in the last update... But that can be explained by his condition starting to disappear.

 

[Leinad_Sevla]

Hello everyone. I just started playing this AVN and I´m at the part where Maja takes the MC home after he visits Victoria in the hospital.
My question is this: did they know eachother before the accident? The way they were talking it seemed like they had previous history before.

 

[BeingADikDik]

Hello everyone. I just started playing this AVN and I´m at the part where Maja takes the MC home after he visits Victoria in the hospital.
My question is this: did they know eachother before the accident? The way they were talking it seemed like they had previous history before.

Maja takes MC home after he visits Vic at the Frohn residence, not the hospital. They first met when returning Vic's wallet at the hospital.

If you choose to have the MC ask Maja about where to get candy when returning Vic's wallet, then they connect at a spiritual level. This probably explains why they seem so familiar, and why Maja even has relationship points when she's not a LI despite being the first character the MC can be intimate with (handholding). Awesome storywriting, imo.

 

[BobTheDuck]

As i said I get you. We just have a different take on it. I understand the intent of those choices but Nika is not a vessel that only projects the players intent, he has a personality of his own and I feel that if those things are of no interest to him he would not have them or have them in another manner.

I agree that trauma has neutered his libido so he don't have a sexual response to thing as nudity and even direct contact, unless is Nami, I just don't equal it as him having no interested in them because he has show that he has - for me at least - what he don't has is the mind state to enjoy it.

I had a whole long post written, but then changed my mind about going into the details, because you and I are almost saying the same thing. When you say he doesn't have the state of mind to enjoy it = me saying he has an asexual appreciation of form. His sexual triggers are in a very narrow range, and so far the only person who has given him anything remotely like a boner is Nami, but the feeling that he gets from Bella or the sensations of panic from being too close (in the four way kiss) show that his triggers are not predominately visual (unless the person reminds him of Summer), and they are misfiring. His dismissal of Vanessa, the way he uses words like 'objectively' or 'I can't deny' to state something is appealling show that visuals are not his primary trigger - these are statements of his logic, not of lust.

I get your point, but my main point was a male at that age doesn't blow a load for years? Even if that were possible, it's great way to get prostate cancer.

But i will say that the MC kind of gets visually attracted to Bella in the last update... But that can be explained by his condition starting to disappear.
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If you don't blow a load, it leaks out if everything is medically normal. 100% possible to ejaculate without an erection, and yep, a potential health issue. And I agree, as the story progresses, he goes from mr dead pocket rocket to getting chubby because of Nami (regardless of whose path you're on) wearing Summer's hairstyle. So there is function, and it responds, but Nika has a very narrow range of triggers that get him going.

Considering Ocean uses an inappropriate drug for the panic attack, the medical side of the story will not be watertight, even if Ocean pretends Nika's peepee is watertight. The important point is not how well Ocean represents biology, but the idea that Nika is actually clueless when it comes to sex, and does not respond as everyone expects.

Increased testosterone can lead to aggression, risk taking and depression, while low testosterone leads to apathy (apparently) so we have an apathetic NIka at the start, he goes to the gym and triggers the testosterone, suddenly it's producing so much he gets gains in the first week, and flips to risk taking with Bella. Ocean is in effect exaggerating all the dramas so they are obvious. After all, Nika and Bella's exaggerated hair and Mila's everchanging dimensions are clear example of regular physics not working in the Oceanverse.

And with the excess testosterone, I'm sure we'll start seeing results. Bro goes to the gym, gets jacked, becomes a chick magnet, solves all sexual problems. Pretty common theme. As he becomes more like old Nika, charismatic, playing ball, leading, he'll start becoming more sexually active - that whole healthy body, healthy mind attitude. So yeah, towards the end of season 1 Nika's starting to thaw, but he's pretty confused by what he wants and what things mean. He doesn't have normal reactions yet.

 

[LHDLLB]

I had a whole long post written, but then changed my mind about going into the details, because you and I are almost saying the same thing. When you say he doesn't have the state of mind to enjoy it = me saying he has an asexual appreciation of form. His sexual triggers are in a very narrow range, and so far the only person who has given him anything remotely like a boner is Nami, but the feeling that he gets from Bella or the sensations of panic from being too close (in the four way kiss) show that his triggers are not predominately visual (unless the person reminds him of Summer), and they are misfiring. His dismissal of Vanessa, the way he uses words like 'objectively' or 'I can't deny' to state something is appealling show that visuals are not his primary trigger - these are statements of his logic, not of lust.

Now i feel kinda bad. You always has insightful comments and is a pity that one was lost, even one that I don't quite agree. I also feel we almost are saying the same thing, maybe we are arguing over semantics a bit. I will not rekindle the discussion though. But following your take will be interesting to see if his sexual triggers expands or remais relatively the same once he can get hard, I feel would be a shame to make Nika just another horny MC - and don't think that Ocean will do it - but I am curious as to how much Nika will change once he is over, a few, of his demons

 

[Mr_Mister]

If Nika starts spending a lot of time with Vanessa. He'll probably become a Nine Inch Nails or Lords of Acid type of guy

"LORDS OF ACID" shows were like the kids museum for adults "watch , touch and play" , a lot of kids were made on their shows , i wouldn't be surprise if MC was conceive in one !

 

[BobTheDuck]

Now i feel kinda bad. You always has insightful comments and is a pity that one was lost, even one that I don't quite agree. I also feel we almost are saying the same thing, maybe we are arguing over semantics a bit. I will not rekindle the discussion though. But following your take will be interesting to see if his sexual triggers expands or remais relatively the same once he can get hard, I feel would be a shame to make Nika just another horny MC - and don't think that Ocean will do it - but I am curious as to how much Nika will change once he is over, a few, of his demons

It's all good, I realised I was going too far into semantics, and it didn't really change anything, it's like arguing over the difference between cobalt and prussian blue Most of it was simply quoting the script and providing examples, like Mila commenting that he doesn't look at her boobs and it makes her insecure, while we can say Nika likes boobs more than ass, Vanessa noticing that he didn't react and she can't work him out, things like that. More words than necessary. I'm sure there will be more discussions to be had while we wait for new updates.

Regards sexual triggers, I do believe it will change, as more events push NIka out of his comfort zone. Eroticism is at least partially learned, we are subconsciously told to appreciate certain things, certain behaviours etc. The more time Nika spends around people, the more he will start to notice the ways people behave. Right now, he's caught up in his head - with Vanessa, he doesn't notice what she looks like because he's too busy realising Vanessa is too clever for Bella - he's looking at different things in the situation, because his priorities have been skewed by so much antisocial/isolated time.

 

[HarryDubois420]

Now i feel kinda bad. You always has insightful comments and is a pity that one was lost, even one that I don't quite agree. I also feel we almost are saying the same thing, maybe we are arguing over semantics a bit. I will not rekindle the discussion though. But following your take will be interesting to see if his sexual triggers expands or remais relatively the same once he can get hard, I feel would be a shame to make Nika just another horny MC - and don't think that Ocean will do it - but I am curious as to how much Nika will change once he is over, a few, of his demons

Ngl, Nika being turned into a cookie cutter avn protag will be a huge L by Ocean. The reason I've sticked with this game more than the girls is the mc being unique. The only other mc's I've liked is Valentine from STWA, the mc from the deluca family and the mc from Zero end (albeit he still needs some more char development) .

 

[lorkdubo]

Ngl, Nika being turned into a cookie cutter avn protag will be a huge L by Ocean. The reason I've sticked with this game more than the girls is the mc being unique. The only other mc's I've liked is Valentine from STWA, the mc from the deluca family and the mc from Zero end (albeit he still needs some more char development) .

He has to transition from an utterly depressed MC to a truly stoic MC who can't deal with bullshit to maintain the same vibe.

 

[lorkdubo]

Forcing me to turn my brain off to "roommate" and "landlady" ain't no fucking landlord gives a fuck about their "tenants" and at the very least they sure as fuck don't raise them or pay for their psycological wellness fees lol. I know it's because of patreons views on incest. but even as someone against it. I feel beyond dumb reading this shit,when Nami is clearly his sister, adopted or blood related. And Nojiko is clearly his adopted mother/guardian. I'd prefer they had them named as such.

It's also hateful when in AVN the MC has been in the care of someone since really young age until adulthood and don't call the people who are in care of the MC as parents. It irks me to no end.

 

[Dr.TSoni]

It's also hateful when in AVN the MC has been in the care of someone since really young age until adulthood and don't call the people who are in care of the MC as parents. It irks me to no end.

But who is Nika's mommy?

 

[lorkdubo]

But who is Nika's mommy?
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The Asian babe. Blood relations means shit to me. Bonds are made, not born.

 

[alanrock]

But who is Nika's mommy?
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[Dr.TSoni]

The Asian babe. Blood relations means shit to me. Bonds are made, not born.

Effectively, if a possible biological mother came forward, the conflict would be interesting

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[Icekatana]

I get your point, but my main point was that a male at that age and doesn't blow a load for years? Even if that were possible, it's great way to get prostate cancer.

Nocturnal emission will take care of the body. That's why it's there.

 

[Dr.TSoni]

Nocturnal emission will take care of the body. That's why it's there.

I think for some the problem with this thesis is that it is never mentioned, we only have a scene where Nojiko suggests that Nika does not masturbate

 

[dameromexxx]

"LORDS OF ACID" shows were like the kids museum for adults "watch , touch and play" , a lot of kids were made on their shows , i wouldn't be surprise if MC was conceive in one !

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Yeah I still don't know if this is a musical or pornographic performance still the singer looks like a role model for Vanessa or Nojiko Pornstar friend

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