VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[Penfold Mole]

read the rules again and slowly. you are not prohibited from creating such content but you cannot create it with glorification. it's all about context

Wrong. It's all about interpretation. Whoever happens to make the decision what counts as glorification and what doesn't. It's all subjective.
And it's not as if Patreon is well known for following its own written rules. Some time ago they were acting more lax than the rules demanded, now they're pushing the limits way beyond it.
"The witchhunter general" can basically do whatever he or she wants, almost none of their clients have the means to drag them to court for a breach of contract.

They are banning unfinished stories. Are they fucking clairvoyants to predict if the "glorified" criminal gets what is coming in the end or not?

And would you please tell me, is Pulp Fiction "glorifying criminal activities" and violence or not?

 

[Maviarab]

Can we end this discussion? End of the day, you are using someone elses 'private' platform/service...just like here. So they can do what they want at the end of the day. Only way around this anywhere on the internet, is to create your own site, yourself (don't use premade software) and host it yourself, on your own server. Then you can do whatever the feck you like.

Don't do this and use someone elses platform? You are at their mercy. Simple as that. Really no point in complaining about it.

 

[BobTheDuck]

Ithought she has sisters. wasnt one of them at the book club

We're speculating as to who Ayua's sisters or cousins are - Adri could be one, we only know that she's got a nickname from Robin, so she's well known by Robin and probably Sasha, so a good chance. Basically, Nick and Stefan are the only two actually confirmed fathers so far in the game, all the others are missing.

 

[Maviarab]

all the others are missing

 

[BobTheDuck]

Yes, exactly, no patrimony payments currently forthcoming

 

[Den1mo]

all the others are missing

they are always missing

so you can take care of mom

 

[PaxHadrian17]

Ok I'm sorry for insisting on this subject but how in the fuck can Patreon punish a dev for the existence of third party mods to his game? As long as that mod isn't made or supported by Ocean he can't possibly be liable for it, correct?


I understand all of this as long as someone assures me this is the actual scenario. I'm tired of reading between the lines when it comes to these games. And it doesn't help when Ocean makes mutually exclusive statements on different platforms. Like I already said, all I have to go by is his own posts and I have no choice but take them at face value.

To be clear, I'm not painting Ocean as the villain here. I understand he's trying to protect his IP. As much as I may disagree with most of his creative choices I'm aware of who the "real enemy" is.

We don't like their methods, but Patreon determines where their reach ends - not any of us.

What government entity is going to come in and tell Patreon what they can and cannot do regarding assessing content on F95 or any other publicly available website and then banning or putting certain creators 'under review' because Patreon says that content is breaking their rules?

I've seen other devs I support take different paths to protecting their AVNs:

* One removed their Patreon tag from F95 and removed/hid certain channels on their Discord.

* Another dev I support redid the entire beginning of his AVN so that the bio son of the female MC was now the son of two recently deceased parents who she had committed to supporting before their deaths. That 18-year-old guy is now living with the female MC and her husband while he is in school.

Ocean is taking a hard-line view about iPatch content/'family' relationship discussions on his Discord Server since the Patreon ban of WIAB.

Are these efforts enough to protect the different devs I mentioned above?

For now, they seem to be.

Whether or not these restrictions/changes will be sufficient in the future is up to Patreon, not us.

Cheers!!

 

[AlexFXR]

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Same. I have no such recollection of even any brothers being mentioned.only sisters and cousins.

Before the rework there were only brothers, in the new version it turns out there is also a sister. I don't watch the reworked versions, so I missed the news about the expansion of the Ayua family.

 

[vampires69'in]

We're speculating as to who Ayua's sisters or cousins are - Adri could be one, we only know that she's got a nickname from Robin, so she's well known by Robin and probably Sasha, so a good chance. Basically, Nick and Stefan are the only two actually confirmed fathers so far in the game, all the others are missing.

....they're all on the coveted "milk" run

 

[vampires69'in]

Before the rework there were only brothers, in the new version it turns out there is also a sister. I don't watch the reworked versions, so I missed the news about the expansion of the Ayua family.

ah, I haven't played anything before... I think 3.5

 

[Turret]

read the rules again and slowly. you are not prohibited from creating such content but you cannot create it with glorification. it's all about context

if your story have MC who rapes a woman based on choices it's considered a glorification of such acts and it is prohibited

but as long as the rape in the story is depicted as a tragic event or a story that someone tells and is followed by a verbal condemnation of the act then it is not prohibited. you can't create it as kink or fetish

and when we move back to the rules we find the following

Permitted works include, but are not limited to:

• Fictional or dramatized works that do not glorify the violence and are accompanied by context
• Documented or narrated storytelling such as True Crime podcasts, documentaries, or academic or historical research
• Violence in an animated or simulated context (e.g. video games, comics, graphic novels in which the violence is not photorealistic)
• Testimonials or storytelling from survivors or victims of violence
• Violent or graphic imagery to raise awareness in a documentary or journalistic context (e.g. human rights abuses, armed conflicts, acts of terrorism)

so who the fuck is restricted?

Dream on, Chummer! As Penfold Mole so correctly said, it is about interpretation of these rules and Patreon has a wellknown history of being extremly arbitrary and repressive.

 

[warheadd]

Random discussion question, although we have a list of "confirmed" LI’s, who you guys think would make a good LI and could possibly fall in love of Nika so far?

If I had to pick one, I would say Kate although I feel like it would be as a result of going against Bella constantly and playing in a certain manner. Though, at most, I can see her having a few spicy scenes thats all.

 

[Capt_Kirk]

Or...

Patreon is now reaching into F95 to look for incest mods and checking Discord servers promoting the same and punishing the devs if they find something that offends their puritanical sensibilities...

Given that Patreon already banned WIAB, Ocean's taking a hardline stance about incest on his Discord server (which is for Both WIAB and SG) to protect his Patreon income for SG should come as no surprise.

What Was fine with Patreon for years is no longer fine.

It's not cognitive impairment, it is trying to keep his AVNs alive in a Patreon restrictive environment.

Cheers!!

they can't and they won't do that ! , that will make 'em liable to getting sue for harassment and bad faith,
'cause that is patreon purposely going out of their way looking to punish content creators , for activities outside the content creator control .

 

[yossa999]

Random discussion question, although we have a list of "confirmed" LI’s, who you guys think would make a good LI and could possibly fall in love of Nika so far?

If I had to pick one, I would say Kate although I feel like it would be as a result of going against Bella constantly and playing in a certain manner. Though, at most, I can see her having a few spicy scenes thats all.

I doubt it, since the storylines of Vic, Mila and Zara have only just begun to slowly reach the romantic part. Sasha, Sonya, Amber, Nadia, Vanessa haven't even come close to that yet. I don't think Kate will pop up before they take their turn, and you yourself noticed, Kate's interest in the MC is most likely fake and an opportunity to hurt Bella, when the MC is not with Bella, Kate behaves much colder with him.

 

[BobTheDuck]

I doubt it, since the storylines of Vic, Mila and Zara have only just begun to slowly reach the romantic part. Sasha, Sonya, Amber, Nadia, Vanessa haven't even come close to that yet. I don't think Kate will pop up before they take their turn, and you yourself noticed, Kate's interest in the MC is most likely fake and an opportunity to hurt Bella, when the MC is not with Bella, Kate behaves much colder with him.

I agree, I feel like some characters like Kate will be attractive, but be on the manwhore path - getting lewds with them will sabotage genuine relationships, and there will be an ending without any romantic partner. The question is what will different LI's consider crossing the line? I think in a lot of ways, obscuring who are and aren't LI's from this point is a wise move, as you can screw relationships up by choosing the wrong people - I'd love the idea that Nika has to work hard to earn trust, and in the case that he's done something to lessen trust with an actual LI, it's be great to see if there are ways to rebuild. I'm not sure I've seen that sort of dynamic in many AVN's, most of the time if you miss the on-ramp to the highway, you're off the path for good.

What if the other's path involves doing as much of Claire's bingo list as possible? That's be an epic manoeuvre.

 

[warheadd]

I agree, I feel like some characters like Kate will be attractive, but be on the manwhore path - getting lewds with them will sabotage genuine relationships, and there will be an ending without any romantic partner. The question is what will different LI's consider crossing the line? I think in a lot of ways, obscuring who are and aren't LI's from this point is a wise move, as you can screw relationships up by choosing the wrong people - I'd love the idea that Nika has to work hard to earn trust, and in the case that he's done something to lessen trust with an actual LI, it's be great to see if there are ways to rebuild. I'm not sure I've seen that sort of dynamic in many AVN's, most of the time if you miss the on-ramp to the highway, you're off the path for good.

What if the other's path involves doing as much of Claire's bingo list as possible? That's be an epic manoeuvre.

I agree as well with some female characters being on an others pathway for the sake of sabotage, etc.

I was trying to ask if anyone has any characters they think could like Nika, even if they aren’t "confirmed" LI’s. But now that I think about it, we are too early in the game so I guess we will see how other characters will act towards Nika for now.

 

[LHDLLB]

I agree as well with some female characters being on an others pathway for the sake of sabotage, etc.

I was trying to ask if anyone has any characters they think could like Nika, even if they aren’t "confirmed" LI’s. But now that I think about it, we are too early in the game so I guess we will see how other characters will act towards Nika for now.

Ii is a bit early to do that. But speculation is one of few things to do between updates, I thing that there are some characters we can say will like Nika but are not LIs. I think that most of the book club milfs are a safe bet, not all of them but the one you get the number, Jenna, Charlie, of the younger ones there is Kelly and Adriana, the whole female first team still has to be introduced and maybe there is one LI there, Sasha redhead friend, the twins, goth girl, tattoed girl in the libary.

SG has a almost fantasy level numbers of characters, depending the story Ocean wants to tell, some of these more background characters can grow or not and be a obstacle in Nika's relationship with any give LI. Maybe Zara has a nemesis in the first team, or Jenna don't like Amber and tries to sabote hers relationship out of spite, maybe if you are in both Nami and Mila paths, Nami will try to fuck Mila. But all this depends on what story Ocean wants to tell.

 

[warheadd]

Ii is a bit early to do that. But speculation is one of few things to do between updates, I thing that there are some characters we can say will like Nika but are not LIs. I think that most of the book club milfs are a safe bet, not all of them but the one you get the number, Jenna, Charlie, of the younger ones there is Kelly and Adriana, the whole female first team still has to be introduced and maybe there is one LI there, Sasha redhead friend, the twins, goth girl, tattoed girl in the libary.

SG has a almost fantasy level numbers of characters, depending the story Ocean wants to tell, some of these more background characters can grow or not and be a obstacle in Nika's relationship with any give LI. Maybe Zara has a nemesis in the first team, or Jenna don't like Amber and tries to sabote hers relationship out of spite, maybe if you are in both Nami and Mila paths, Nami will try to fuck Mila. But all this depends on what story Ocean wants to tell.

Definitely agree with your reasoning. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem that these speculations will be answered anytime soon in regards to how the female characters can interact with each other and Nika in different paths and such. Though, it’s Nika’s fault for all these girls being interested in him. He had to be nerfed down there for a bit to make it fair XD

 

[LHDLLB]

The question is what will different LI's consider crossing the line?

I think this is really a good question. We see that Milla has no problems with kissing MC even knowing that he is with Bella, but refuses to go out with him if he has a date with Vic, Vic has no issue in going out with Mc behind Milla's back, Nami has to suffer in silence but also is not shy of abusing of her position to try to seduce Nika, Bella so far is the most open but aside from snarks comments is not bothered by you kissing Milla, Nia aks about your situation with Bella and I think she does not goes as hard if you said you are a thing. I think that will be fun how long you will be able to play the filed without consequences, and how much each LI will be willing to tolerate. Some as Nami and Vic might be more willing to overlook MCs fooling around and/or cheating and sharing while others as Zara and Sasha might be one strike out. I am curious to see how the LI relationship with one another works as almost everyone knows each other and you can't really hide one relationship from another

 

[PaxHadrian17]

they can't and they won't do that ! , that will make 'em liable to getting sue for harassment and bad faith,
'cause that is patreon purposely going out of their way looking to punish content creators , for activities outside the content creator control .

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I get that you don't like the reality of the situation - neither do most of us re: Patreon's attacks on dev creativity.

The reality is what I've stated in the post you replied to and the one before where I gave very specific examples.

You disagree with me - now tell me how that changes Anything for the impacted devs.

'they can't and they won't do that !'

Says you...

Show me Anything in the public record where Patreon has apologized for banning devs or putting them under review for content beyond their Patreon pages.

Try throwing memes at Patreon and let us know how that changes their practices...

Cheers!!