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For a moment I felt like I was in another Topic
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Pardon me, but you are wrong on this! The texts and inferences in the first two and part of the third chapters of Wiab make it very clear that it is 80-90% the story of old Wiab resequenced, polished, some aspects changed and several bugs weeded out.
Then comes the rework of "Summer´s gone", making it the kiddie age version with everything beyond a kiss thrown out. Followed by changes in Wiab and the stupid decision to make Willi and Leia adopted (not to forget the sudden disfigurement of characters like Mila, Helen, Leia and several others). If this trend continues and it seems so, we will land in Duckburg with landlords/tennats, distant uncles and aunts, cousins (which are not real counsins at all) in large numbers and everything sanitised so much that you smell the chlorine even in front of the monitor.
- Dec 24, 2018
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I'm not saying that there won't need to be changes, but I think it won't actually require such a huge amount, as the story is barely established. Literally only the finger to the knuckle, we don't have an arm or a leg to go out on. People playing it who are new to chapter 4 won't know the difference. Yes, things will be lost, but that is one big danger of playing a work in progress - things change. I personally find that part fascinating, how things evolve. But I really should talk about that in WiaB's thread.
For me the changes in SG - particularly Nami, made her for the first time a character I could relate to. Some of these things are personal taste, so I can understand that a change (like Mila from slim to large) will make people feel like they've been baited and switched. But if you look now, there's barely any evidence that Mila was slim. People playing for the first time, well, it's their first impression. What we risk by playing early in the WIP stage is developing impressions of things that will be cut from development.
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Oh I can see it the same problems as you with the theory, that is why I said I was unsure about its likelihood. Still... in a vacum I like the ideia that Sasha and Auya are a thing, maybe not a formal thing but a fooling around thing. Also Helen and Dylan had a open relationship at some point ( Helen taught William to not have jealous after all ) so does Miru and William, how far fetched it is that Auya may like the idea as well ? That said I agree, the most likely is that Dwigth is Sasha brother. Now is he full brother or half brother ?
Oh I absolutely agree, I don't think it is all that important, was just indulging the ideia that the other member brought forward. About Miru and Leia, I partly agree, accept the family of the man you want to marry, even if you are unsure about them, is not at all the same as accept the bastard child of said man. Miru never wanted the open relationship, William (the player) has to press her on it, I am not saying that she would never accept William's - potentially - bastards child. I am saying that I don't think it would be to the extend that she would reveal her family secret to them. I don't think that was just drunk talk on Auya part but this is only personal interpretation. I don't know, Miru has made some remarks on the last chapter that hints to a more darker past to her that we don't know yet, if I was to make a bet I think we will get something similar to OG WIAB but you are right it might not be a thing anymore.
Yeah. The earring is something related to Leia/Zanes not Summer and I also think is not something we will know in the imediate future. But if Nami gained her earring as a teenage when did Sasha gained her ? as a child ? Teenager ? After she gained the scar ? Leia had more easy access to her than Nami, and why a Petrova has Leia's earring and not Auya or some of her cousins ? Why Nami ?
I absolutely agree. I don't think that we need to know what happens to Summer exactly and I really like your idea, it fits really well with the themes. Sadly I don't think this is the direction Ocean is going but I really like the idea. But I was talking more of the other like the earring, where are all the father, what is up with the Holgersons, why is Nojiko lying, why was Katie in the bookclub and some others, this are the ones that do need a explanation.
- Dec 24, 2018
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I can certainly agree to those questions being important - the SUmmer thing becomes a trap to answer completely - most people will feel it is too weak a reason for Nika to have lost his horny ability over if she just got taken by her parents to a new school. I can imagine Emilio researching and coming up with a cold trail, things that hint but don't explain quite enough. Meanwhile we'll be busy finding out what kind of persons the Holgersons are, what happened to Bella's sister, what is in Nami's past that makes Nika need to tell Amber, what Nika's charge was for, the violent incident, Katie's interest, the earring. Those are all things that will fit like a jugsaw puzzle.
Regarding Ayua teaching techniques, we only hear about the secret technique while she's drinking, what if she is joking? Flirting? In WiaB, Miru doesn't mention secret techniquesjust her techniques. If she has secret skills she doesn't share, well, they're secret because she's not telling. I think the new Miru will have a more realistic past, definitely still violent, because of the knife throwing etc. I think she'll just be very good at beating people up, less of a cartoon ninja. But we will see, those are small mysteries that will probably start being explained sooner.
Getting back to Sasha, I think she'll be one of the more traditional LI styles - she is very focused on romance, and being proper, so I think she will be more focused on monogamous relationships, while Vic is desperate and will share as long as she can be part of NIka's life, so it seems. I think Ayua acts less like someone with a partner than I expect mainly. And she'd know the Revera on the first team well, for the same reason she knows Sasha well, so chances are both of them know all the guys in the first team anyway.
- Oct 3, 2019
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Will respond only to this paragraph because I largely agree with he rest and responding basically saying the same thing seems silly to me. Is not that I disagree with your Sasha take, I have similar ideas, but so far we know so little that people can project whatever they want on her - one of the reasons she has so many fans in my opinion - I am curious to see more of her, and what is her arch. Every LI has something to overcome, we had some glimpses of Sasha in chapter 5 with he medication and the harassment that she has suffered, the bodyguard but not quite enough to have a clear picture of it.
I would not call Vic desperate, if anything Nami seems more desperate than Vic, but she being the more compatible of the LIs - to sharing - although fitting with her personality makes me wonder if she will ever walk again. I mean given that the university is shared between the three families I expect that they all know each other, even if they are not all friends. Also Bella is not friends with Sasha nor Auya with Robin and the others girls, so it seems that Auya/ Sasha is their own thing. SG characters and their relationship could use a appendices like those of ASOIAF, it would make easier to track who is who and their relationship with each other.
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Any theories on why Sasha would look kind of surprised upon hearing Ayua saying that Nika will marry her?
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Hmmm, I got the first impression he was Sasha's older brother and Ayua's boyfriend.
Or he is Sasha's bodyguard, and actually Ayua is Sasha's girlfriend.
Sasha told her bodyguards to take Ayua (her girlfriend) home.
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I'm very curious about her story myself, as she seems quite central to things socially (connected to everyone almost, people gossiping about her, her sending people like Dwight or Robin to do things etc), but act like 100% introvert, quite shy and insecure in a way, while still being very strong as a character.
Vic being desperate - reject her every single time and see what she's like. She won't take no well. Although she seems open to sharing, I suspect she's rationalising to accomodate her fears of being alone. It's like when you leave after Maja gets you to come around, Vic is in tears because she is afraid she didn't make the connection with Nika, or something. She has also put him on a pedestal, fixated on him, maybe because he was there in the moment and she thinks he prevented her from being killed? She sees him as something extraordinary, and he's a link to how she was before the accident? Something is there.
The other relationship is the Benz's - we see Nadia and Zara get along, Zara talks with goth/pizza girl, but Zara seems quite separate from the others, but also fairly self sufficient. My guess is we'll start seeing more of the interactions through AUrora on the phone, and that will give us clearer indications of the way characters socialise. What would be great is if Ocean develops a bio that looks like a contact card in the phone, so we can keep track of the characters relations. Most games with large casts seem to do something similar.
I kinda feel that's pretty normal for her, it's not a raised eyebrows look, she appears to be staring straight ahead, slightly down at the bar in front of her not twisted left to look over at Nika and Ayua - look at her boddy in the following screens:
First shot we see, Robin has turned her body to greet them where they're standing at their table, Sasha's looking at the bar, this is before your screen shot. She doesn't appear to really move. We can clearly see Robin is turn to face them and Sasha isn't. In the screen shot you've posted, Sasha is looking straight.
She turns to Dwight on her left to get him to act as Ayua's on personal bouncer (because he's not paying any attention to Ayua making a mess of herself, even though Layla's worried from the bar), then looks back at where Ayua's making a mess of herself, we can see her turned to look.
By the way, anyone notice the pole behind for dancing?
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I have noted the same thing, now this is because of her or because of her family that she has those connections ? I think reserved is more appropriate than shy, Sonya is shy, Sasha just is comfortable in her position, don't know if I could make myself clear here but in my mind they are not quite the same thing.
But I do have. I mean, nobody takes a no well. I think that Vic takes as well as she could, when knowing you and Bella are a thing she even wants make sure that you are still up to it, quite mature, but nobody likes to know that their feelings are not reciprocate. Now about the rest I completely agree, she seems to be a little obsessed with him and not on a normal, starstruck way but as a little bit creppy. Less now. Before the rework Vic gave me all kinds of icky feelings, but now I just think that there is too much in her head and she is trying to make it all work by pushing through and at some point she will just collapse. There is just so many ways that she could go, I really like Vic and think she is sub estimated to a fault.
When I was written about Auya and Sasha was thinking the same thing. Zara and the Benz's seems oddly detached, the only friends Zara seems to have is Nadya and is not like a best friends type. Vanessa is girlfriends with Mario but it seems is more of a experiment on her part and we don't hear of friends and the like. Nick is just a good guy, trying to live is life, no relations that we know off with the dirty side of Wollust, and when I think of it... feels wrong. I kinda want to believe but when I think about it I get the feeling that we don't know of something.
Someone suggest it in discord to him. I think he said he was already working on it but did not know when would be ready. I also am curious to see Aurora, so many opportunities to slide in information.
I did notice the pole dance, and I know the Zanes are fucked up and all but how much fucked up is to a college bar have a pole dance ? I mean, now I expect it to be used, I know is a sport of sorts and all that. I am just really curious to know how it came to be it, probably Leia remembered the young days when she was a pimp and thought, "fuck it!", I am gonna put a pole dance here.
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I don't think there is anything strange about a college bar having a pole for dancing.
When I was in college, one of the bars had 3 poles on an elevated dance floor (about 1/4 of the total dance floor) and lady's nights, where the women got in without a cover.
The boldest women danced on the elevated section of the dance floor, using the pole for support if they were not too drunk (and sometimes when they were...) and the guys bought them drinks.
I know from friends who were bartenders that those nights were some of the best for profits for that bar.
Skin to win was often the theme for any 'dance' contests and it was a great time to cut loose.
I can imagine Ocean doing a cinematic with one of the first team women using the pole to show off her moves, all to a rocking soundtrack (maybe not as good as
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but then this song is iconic for college bars and strip clubs ).I think the opening night for the bar could be a great scene, especially if there are different variations depending on the LI path the MC is on.
Cheers!!
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Because Sasha read the LI list and knows that Ayua is not part of it
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Wow.....you did what Ocean and MC couldn't do in 5 years.
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To be honest the idea of a college bar is an alien one to me. In my little corner of the world colleges has hospital, museum, sometimes theaters and show houses but never bar -or gym-. There are bar where colleges studants goes but those are not related to the college, as it seens is the case in SG.I don't think there is anything strange about a college bar having a pole for dancing.
When I was in college, one of the bars had 3 poles on an elevated dance floor (about 1/4 of the total dance floor) and lady's nights, where the women got in without a cover.
The boldest women danced on the elevated section of the dance floor, using the pole for support if they were not too drunk (and sometimes when they were...) and the guys bought them drinks.
I know from friends who were bartenders that those nights were some of the best for profits for that bar.
Skin to win was often the theme for any 'dance' contests and it was a great time to cut loose.
I can imagine Ocean doing a cinematic with one of the first team women using the pole to show off her moves, all to a rocking soundtrack (maybe not as good asYou must be registered to see the linksbut then this song is iconic for college bars and strip clubs
I think the opening night for the bar could be a great scene, especially if there are different variations depending on the LI path the MC is on.
Cheers!!
Either is normal or not is secondary, it takes place in a fictic world anyway, but everyone has their own references what is normal. When Nika's decides that he will go for a walk late at night I think, this is a good way of get yourself killed, but I know that is a comom thing in Germany. Same way the pole dance in a college bar, for me is a foregin idea, a bit out of place and because of that, a funny one.
Bars are admittedly weird, but where I'm from, just about every major post-secondary institution has a gym.
Since the music is a topic now and then and the bar with the dance poles a song Ocean will not get licensed but is fitting in it´s own way is the old Sailor song "Girls, Girls, Girls"
And a total opposite of Nika at the moment is the hero of the legendary spoof song "Schmidtchen Schleicher", a very special kind of playboy, with his elastic legs and dangerously cushioning knees
And a total opposite of Nika at the moment is the hero of the legendary spoof song "Schmidtchen Schleicher", a very special kind of playboy, with his elastic legs and dangerously cushioning knees
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You know, way back, when you told me that was dwight, I thought you were joking lol. Besides having a different model, his mannerism is completely different lol. Also, I don't recall Nika greeting Robin at the bar.
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Is it new improved Dwight that comes to school with Sasha? I think the intents clear, just lik Ayua has two different faces, and Mila has three different models. You know Ch4 renders are someone the oldest left in the game right? These only a couple left of the original chapter 3 at this point that are older. The only thing really noticeably different is the detail of the stubble, the lighting and the way the lighting affects his eyes. Big flat lighting in the old render, soft diffuse lighting enhancing all the angles of that chiselled jaw. The lighting in the Ch4 basketball scene is a lot worse that later renders. (it's still great, Ocean's just come in leaps and bounds since then). You also have to imagine Dwight with a serious face. IN the basket ball game, he's smiling almost the whole time, and the glasses seem like part of him (same for the early chapter 1 render he's in the background). Same hairstyle, same jaw, same stubble.You know, way back, when you told me that was dwight, I thought you were joking lol. Besides having a different model, his mannerism is completely different lol. Also, I don't recall Nika greeting Robin at the bar.
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The lighting also tends to put multiple reflections in people eyes now, which makes their eyes look different to before. I imagine before, Ocean didn't use as many light sources to keep the rendering easy, now, he's got card where he can add more lighting the way he wants. The oldest renders were done on much cheaper cards, with a lot more constraints. From here, I think we'll settle down regards that sort of thing, Ocean's more likely to multiply the rigs to he can churn through renders faster. Well, I hope that's his plan.
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The best roommate in the entire universe of summer's gone.