VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[jock1a]

animation, cinematics' are both a waste of render time in my opinion. Not like you really get any sense of reality from them. A rich story and some awesome still's are all that is needed.

 

[Krytax123]

animation, cinematics' are both a waste of render time in my opinion. Not like you really get any sense of reality from them. A rich story and some awesome still's are all that is needed.

Nah

 

[Penfold Mole]

animation, cinematics' are both a waste of render time in my opinion. Not like you really get any sense of reality from them. A rich story and some awesome still's are all that is needed.

Generally, I'd agree with you. But Ocean's cinematics are simply on another level, real audio-visual artwork. Each one looks dreamy and sounds great, like mini-movies.

... Not like you really get any sense of reality from them. ...

Now you added this...
Art doesn't necessarily have to look realistic. Impression that it gives you is what matters the most.
But Oceans cinematics actually are some of the most realistic animations you can find on F95 in the year 2024. Oh, sure, some character animations in a few other games are likely better, but you have to take into account the whole composition and this is where Ocean shines.

 

[yossa999]

It's been a year or more of a lot of nothing, it's bound to be quiet. Such a shame I really like stories where a single character can make a game shine (Im talking about the MC of course, no homo).

It's been quiet here because even the most staunch and persistent Ocean haters ran out of steam over a year ago, around Aug 2023, when he wrote he was reworking the intro animation for season one and removing the scene with Marla and the gun. And some other reworks.

The scream was so loud that it shattered windows in the neighboring threads. Moderators were deleting pages by the dozens in those days. They even attached to the OP the famous Fortuna's post (by the way, it's gone now) that newcomers occasionally necro-replied to in 2024.

Well, they did their 1-stars and left. There are only a few real Ocean haters are living in the thread now, but they are not as loud as their kin used to be. And many have put them on ignore. So yeah, enjoy the peace while you can, winter is coming, once the release date is announced they will come running here again. You won't have time to wonder who all these users are and why they were never here before. I usually put this thread on ignore during these periods, it gets really stupid and annoying, spamming you with notifications like "No seggs, game suxx."

 

[Dr.TSoni]

I thought the same, I don't have the preview that showed Sonya training at Ayua's but I think she was wearing a similar outfit. Would explain Katie. Maybe the bald guy is that William friend from chapter 3 ?

The interesting thing is that the old Sonya would match while the New Sonya would not

Grenade or not, but this is the reality. When someone suggests focusing on one game and putting another on hold/abandoning, they're suggesting giving up WiAB, not the other way around. Poor Katie fans... if there are any of them here of course.

Speaking as a WiAB fan
If Ocean were to abandon one, it's obvious that it would be William's story that would leave us.

 

[yossa999]

Speaking as a WiAB fan
If Ocean were to abandon one, it's obvious that it would be William's story that would leave us.

You mean the story Jenna mentioned at book club? About how he screwed Katie's entire team? No argument from me.

 

[dameromexxx]

Generally, Id agree with you. But Oceans cinematics are simply on another level, real audio-visual artwork. Each one looks dreamy and sounds great, like mini-movies.

You must be registered to see the links

Yeah. Music restoration Mod really highlights his talents in this area it really did feel like some good quality tv show about young adults from the 2000s

 

[jock1a]

It's been quiet here because even the most staunch and persistent Ocean haters ran out of steam over a year ago, around Aug 2023, when he wrote he was reworking the intro animation for season one and removing the scene with Marla and the gun. And some other reworks.

The scream was so loud that it shattered windows in the neighboring threads. Moderators were deleting pages by the dozens in those days. They even attached to the OP the famous Fortuna's post (by the way, it's gone now) that newcomers occasionally necro-replied to in 2024.

Well, they did their 1-stars and left. There are only a few real Ocean haters are living in the thread now, but they are not as loud as their kin used to be. And many have put them on ignore. So yeah, enjoy the peace while you can, winter is coming, once the release date is announced they will come running here again. You won't have time to wonder who all these users are and why they were never here before. I usually put this thread on ignore during these periods, it gets really stupid and annoying, spamming you with notifications like "No seggs, game suxx."

The AVN doesn't suck. i actually think it is good. My comment's are just my opinion and what i would change about the game. Not that i would expect it to get changed,i don't support it anymore. i know it is not the popular opinion sometimes,but i am a big cheeto fan. And just to be clear i am not ruling out supporting ocean in the future,i am just not there now. i know this is going to bring backlash,but i think it has the potential to be Better than "Bad" i know that seems to be the popular comparison to all AVN's,or was for a while. That is misguided i think. Back to your final statement,there is lots of games that suck,but i think i can safely say IMO,this isn't one of them.

 

[yossa999]

The AVN doesn't suck. i actually think it is good. My comment's are just my opinion and what i would change about the game. Not that i would expect it to get changed,i don't support it anymore. i know it is not the popular opinion sometimes,but i am a big cheeto fan. And just to be clear i am not ruling out supporting ocean in the future,i am just not there now. i know this is going to bring backlash,but i think it has the potential to be Better than "Bad" i know that seems to be the popular comparison to all AVN's,or was for a while. That is misguided i think. Back to your final statement,there is lots of games that suck,but i think i can safely say IMO,this isn't one of them.

Wow, wow, the winter hasn't come yet

And my post wasn't a response to you, bro, it's natural that you stop supporting something that no longer meets your expectations. I mean the people who repeat the same thing day after day, "everything is bad, there is no sex, we are all going to die before the next season, he will rework it all over again, there is no sex, there is no Marla with a gun, everything is bad..."

I think it's just not healthy to sit in a thread of a game that irritates you and repeat day after day how you don't like anything and how bad things really are.

I couldn't do that. There are a lot of games on this site that seem incredibly stupid to me, and I even add a bunch of threads to ignore so I don't even see these games updates on the main page. But you wouldn't drag me into these games' threads even in my worst nightmare to talk about how shitty everything is there.

Life is too short to safely remove USB drives, much less waste your time on such bullshit.

 

[jock1a]

Generally, Id agree with you. But Oceans cinematics are simply on another level, real audio-visual artwork. Each one looks dreamy and sounds great, like mini-movies.


Now you added this...
Art doesn't necessarily have to look realistic. Impression that it gives you is what matters the most.
But Oceans cinematics actually are some of the most realistic ones you can find on F95 in the year 2024. Oh, sure, some character animations are likely better, but you have to take into account the whole composition and this is where Ocean shines.

I was speaking in general,as a norm. So your comment is welcomed. i might actually play it again and try to pay more attention to the cinematics'.

 

[Miranha157]

you don't have to give him any support if you don't want to.. however, it would be nice and absolve you of any potential entitlement if you refrained from bashing him in any way on his game threads. especially since you get his product for free.
that should be a rule.

also, i mean that in general, not only you specifically.

In fact, I have a friend who has supported him for a long time, and from what he shows me of the supporters' conversations, it seems like a cult. Many there love Ocean. He can do whatever he wants about the game, delay updates or increase the value of the Patreon at the game's launch and they will accept it like little bitches.

Just because I'm here in lawless waters doesn't mean I can't share my opinion!

 

[Miranha157]

You mean the story Jenna mentioned at book club? About how he screwed Katie's entire team? No argument from me.

I'm really looking forward to this more detailed story, preferably through William's eyes.

 

[Penfold Mole]

I was speaking in general,as a norm. So your comment is welcomed. i might actually play it again and try to pay more attention to the cinematics'.

As I already said, generally I totally agree. Making characters move "just because I can" usually ends up being redundant or simply look bad.
I like good static renders much better than bad robotic or pointless animations.

But Oceans work is movie-grade good and each cinematic scene has a point and meaning and gives you a feeling.

 

[Maviarab]

I think it's just not healthy to sit in a thread of a game that irritates you and repeat day after day how you don't like anything and how bad things really are.

When I think how dull and boring my own life is....I think of all the truly sad and pathetic people around who spend time posting (hundreds of posts) in game threads of games they dislike...

And suddenly feel so much better about my own life

jock1a If I just wanted pictures...I could read any number of graphic novels. VN's are an extension/evolution of those (along with choose your own adventure books). Do I constantly say (in most threads) that bad animations are worse than none and bring nothing to a VN? Yes...yes I do. Do I often tell devs that if you can't do them properly, don't have the time, skill or hardware to just not bother? Yes...yes I do.

Are Oceans cinematics...truly...to actually use the word...cinematic? God yes and he is the best around. That's what I want...I want a cinematic experience. To say they bring nothing says more about you than anything, there is a reason that Christopher Doyle is perhaps the most sought after cinematographer in the film industry (to give a clue, it's not because it brings nothing to a film). As for the crap you mentioned, both Oceans VN's are light years ahead of that rubbish.

 

[Miranha157]

I don't remember if it's allowed to mention other games, but Dreamland, Time Heals, Move the Chains, The Grey Dream and How to Fix the Future are AVNs that have very good quality, just like SG. There may be others, but I know them and some still have a long way to go. Anyway, I'm not here to badmouth Ocean, I'm just saying that cinematics nowadays are an added detail and make the game more beautiful to look at. In fact, I tell my friends that when you finish playing SG, the other games look ugly to our eyes, because man, each render is more beautiful than the last.

 

[dameromexxx]

In fact, I have a friend who has supported him for a long time, and from what he shows me of the supporters' conversations, it seems like a cult. Many there love Ocean. He can do whatever he wants about the game, delay updates or increase the value of the Patreon at the game's launch and they will accept it like little bitches.

Just because I'm here in lawless waters doesn't mean I can't share my opinion!

Where can I find gatherings of these fanatics I want to see what AVN game cultist anno domini 2024 looks like

 

[LostGhost]

Sometimes I want to say something good about Ocean, praise him, but when I see how he deceives his fans, I feel sad.

Ocean said... I quote log 11: "I guess I'm closing in on the 50% mark. Keep in mind that the development only really started in late May." It turns out that in a little over 2 months Ocean did 50% of the renders. Well, good job, it's logical to assume that he will do the remaining 50% of the renders in about 2 months. And now 2.5 months have passed and we get a new log in which Ocean writes that he has done more than 2000 renders in total. How should we understand this, it turns out that Ocean did nothing all these months, but wrote to us in the logs how hard he was working? By this point he should have all the renders ready if we believe his words.


Ocean said that his 2x3090 renders 1 frame in 4.5 minutes. If we divide 60 minutes by 4.5 minutes, we get more than 13 renderers per hour, let's round it up to 10 renders per hour and give a head start to make it easier to count. It turns out that about 40 renders will be done in 4 hours, and not all night as Ocean said. That's not all, besides this, he also has 2xA6000 which are equal in speed to 2x3090, and there are also 2x4090 which are 2 times more powerful than 2x3090 and can render the same 40 frames in 2 hours instead of 4.

But that's not the most important thing. When Ocean creates renders during the day, he can do it on one PC, why don't other PCs render at this time? He was constantly asking his fans for money to buy new video cards to speed up rendering. Now he got the money and bought new video cards, so why are they turned off all day instead of rendering?
I'm tired of reading this bullshit.

I guess by 50% completion he may have meant regular update render count that would be around 1k.

 

[AlexFXR]

Even simple minded haters like alex seem to start to lack passion in hating and baiting.

Will there be proof? Of course not. Unlike you and your friends, I do not engage in bullying and stalking. You're so used to Ocean shitting on you that you think it's the norm. But when a person with self-respect appears and doesn't cower before anyone and doesn't let anyone shit on him, it really pisses you off.

 

[RNasc4444]

A wee bit controversial up in this bitch today, huh?

God I love this thread!

It's been quiet here because even the most staunch and persistent Ocean haters ran out of steam over a year ago

Huh offense taken! I'm still here. Going strong since...I don't even remember when anymore... But still fucking here!

Honestly I think Ocean has lowered the expectations enough that the "hate" starts fading. If you drop an update every 8 months people won't expect it every 4 or 5. If you go on 5 years of development without a single sex scene, people won't expect it next update either. And so on and so forth...

Don't think that's a particularly good indicator though. Lack of "hate" means slower thread which translates inevitably to lack of general interest. But that's just my opinion.

 

[LostGhost]

Ahahaha... yes you are right, it is just great science. Unfortunately yossa999, Maviarab and BobTheDuck do not understand this and get angry at people who call Ocean a milker. If DPC did that, then 20 pages would already be written about what an asshole he is.

DPC takes 9-11 months for around 5k(max) renders.yes he does mini games and too many extra things but his renders are far from good compared to Ocean's and do we even have to talk about his workstations?