VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[Ray_D]

I'm new in this thread so i'm just gonna ask how long does he take to update the game?

It depends on how artistic Ocean feels and how much tax he has managed to deduct from his income.

 

[Macky009]

It depends on how artistic Ocean feels and how much tax he has managed to deduct from his income.
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Ohhh I see thanks for the info

 

[BobTheDuck]

Ohhh I see thanks for the info

In actual numbers, the longest between updates was just short of a year (Ch3). I would guess this will be updated sooner than that, but not much. Based on his current render counts, I wouldn't expect it before February, but April would still be faster than Ch3.

 

[sorco2003]

In actual numbers, the longest between updates was just short of a year (Ch3). I would guess this will be updated sooner than that, but not much. Based on his current render counts, I wouldn't expect it before February, but April would still be faster than Ch3.

That's cheating, Bob. It's been a year since the beta of Chapter 5; you're counting from the Steam release of the first season.

 

[BobTheDuck]

That's cheating, Bob. It's been a year since the beta of Chapter 5; you're counting from the Steam release of the first season.

THe beta didn't have the rework, and that rework was the content of a whole chapter for the final release, so I don't think that's cheating. Normally it would have been considered a half chapter, but there was no advancement of the plot in the rework, so it gets overlooked. But it was still work, and it was still a separate release, which is why the beta is still linked in the OP, separate to the full release. Ocean dabbled with Season 2 prior to the release of Ch5 beta as well, so it's impossible to be accurate.

The thing is that we typically get an update in some form within a year from the previous one. In this case the previous one is Season 1, which was roughly 6 and a half months after Ch5 Beta. I don't think I'm wrong to say we're unlikely to see it before February and I'm more likely by the end of April.

If I look at updates, I don't think Ocean's comfortable letting it get close to a year between updates.

 

[White cat6]

Makes sense, maybe Nika is the son of a important character from WiAB and the mother will not be William's love interest...maybe one of his close friends from the past and his wife (or girlfriend) or some kind of "frenemie" in the story.
I think Ayua is William's and Miru's daughter,
I dont think Ocean will play with incest on this, so he will make sure there is no misunderstanding or incest path that will put his income in jeopardy.
But we would need to no why Ayua is not a LI, could be because Ocean wants to use her as protagonist or LI in another game, or because....Nika is related to William and a romance with Ayua would be incest.
Then to solve all this, Nika being the son of a not romanceable character from WiAB would make sense...but theres still too many questions.

You can think whatever you want, but there are three things about Willie:
1. Any woman except Mira and Leia will only give birth to twins from Willie. And only a boy and a girl.
2. Miru is not capable of getting pregnant from Willie. They are so different that Willie's sperm does not survive in Mira's womb.
3. Leia will give birth to someone like Vanessa from Willie

 

[Don Sucio]

While browsing old devlogs, a thought occurred to me.

Since Ocean introduces a new dialogue window modeled on RPG games in which we have the opportunity to ask for additional information, claiming that Nika has recovered enough that he is starting to be interested in other people.
So what do you think ?, will Ocean surprise us in the future and introduce free-roaming sections to the game?
This, together with the introduction of the smartphone function, looks to me like preparing the mechanics that will be needed for this, and after all, Ocean can always say that Nika is healing well enough that he wants to start going to parties or other gatherings and talking to people



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I just hope the freeroaming never comes to SG or even Wiab. I have seen how my previous and first favourite game here was massacred with freeroaming and i wouldn´t stand it again with SG...

I think freeroaming doesn´t fit this game, it would break all the immersive that Ocean has achieved, i don´t know, for me it would break the timing and the environment, i don´t know if you get what i want to say. But said that is true that all the new elements are near to games with freeroaming, as you have said: the phone, the dialogue thing... But i don´t think Ocean suddenly makes SG a freeroaming game, nothing has showed us that idea.

 

[xCalon]

I just hope the freeroaming never comes to SG or even Wiab. I have seen how my previous and first favourite game here was massacred with freeroaming and i wouldn´t stand it again with SG...

Theoretically, the only place I can imagine the freerooming and it would somewhat fit, is a tabletop scene, and only then if it would be optional. Otherwise I don't want any freeroom in SG.

 

[yossa999]

Theoretically, the only place I can imagine the freerooming and it would somewhat fit, is a tabletop scene, and only then if it would be optional. Otherwise I don't want any freeroom in SG.

If he ever decides to go down that route, there are plenty of places it could happen. Like any party or hangout, it could become a free roam location, as that's the most common place the developers like to put it.

Right off the top of my head: the bar opening, Nancy's barn party, the next tabletop game session, as you mentioned, probably the welcome party for moving into the new shared house with Mila.

 

[PaxHadrian17]

I'm new in this thread so i'm just gonna ask how long does he take to update the game?

Pre Steam, I would have said an average of 6-8 months between updates.

The Steam release of Season 1 and all its attendant work makes an average time to update harder to estimate.

The other point worth bringing up is that this next update will have ~7,000 renders and cover two days.

It will be the size of almost 3 of Ocean's normal updates.

So - bottom line - you likely have 3-5 months to wait for the next update but, when it lands, it will be Huge.

Cheers!!

 

[PaxHadrian17]

If he ever decides to go down that route, there are plenty of places it could happen. Like any party or hangout, it could become a free roam location, as that's the most common place the developers like to put it.

Right off the top of my head: the bar opening, Nancy's barn party, the next tabletop game session, as you mentioned, probably the welcome party for moving into the new shared house with Mila.

I agree - I think a version of free roam (or at least something that is more specifically choice driven) would work in the bar opening, the barn parties and the welcome party when moving into student housing.

I wonder if Ocean will start implementing choices - choose A miss out on B - at the bar opening and barn parties?

I could see this happening to further define the relationships that the MC wants to invest in, and at the expense of other potential LI's/relationships.

We get different 'lore' tells based on who we spend time with when the MC and Nami visit Vic and Mila for the sleepover.

This could give us a mix of those variations as well as variations on which LI's we spend time with/lewd encounters we pursue.

OC - this gets more interesting once the MC and Amber go on the cabin trip so the MC can make real progress on getting his mojo back.

Cheers!!

 

[BobTheDuck]

If he ever decides to go down that route, there are plenty of places it could happen. Like any party or hangout, it could become a free roam location, as that's the most common place the developers like to put it.

Right off the top of my head: the bar opening, Nancy's barn party, the next tabletop game session, as you mentioned, probably the welcome party for moving into the new shared house with Mila.

Would we consider it free roam if during the bar opening (for example) we were given a choice in the dialogue of who to talk to next? The essential thing about a free roam is the order in which things are done, but we've already seen Ocean toy with this in the bookclub - do you sit with Nami or Sasha? I think these sort of choices could be does well, but instead of find the interactive part of the render, you just what direction the story advances.

I hope so, I don't need to backtrack through any more kitchen renders in AVN's again in my life.

 

[yossa999]

I agree - I think a version of free roam (or at least something that is more specifically choice driven) would work in the bar opening, the barn parties and the welcome party when moving into student housing.

I wonder if Ocean will start implementing choices - choose A miss out on B - at the bar opening and barn parties?

I could see this happening to further define the relationships that the MC wants to invest in, and at the expense of other potential LI's/relationships.

We get different 'lore' tells based on who we spend time with when the MC and Nami visit Vic and Mila for the sleepover.

This could give us a mix of those variations as well as variations on which LI's we spend time with/lewd encounters we pursue.

OC - this gets more interesting once the MC and Amber go on the cabin trip so the MC can make real progress on getting his mojo back.

Cheers!!

Damn RL. I think unless the coder guy he mentioned helps him with this, it's a surefire way to double the development time for nothing. I mean, I don't see the point of free roaming unless a different order of actions leads to different results.

For example, let's say there's a party and you're drinking. And depending on who you start drinking with, you get different scenes with the other characters. I've seen this in some game, I don't remember which one.

It still makes some sense. But it would be much better to do without free roams in SG.

 

[Penfold Mole]

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Yes I've tried searching the thread for "Update" but there are 50+ post results and they are not ordered by date.

Search settings, including ordering results by date, is in your user profile preferences.

 

[DirtyMario]

Search settings, including ordering results by date, is in your user profile preferences.

Thank you oh wise burrowing mammal

 

[AlexFXR]

THe beta didn't have the rework, and that rework was the content of a whole chapter for the final release, so I don't think that's cheating. Normally it would have been considered a half chapter, but there was no advancement of the plot in the rework, so it gets overlooked. But it was still work, and it was still a separate release, which is why the beta is still linked in the OP, separate to the full release. Ocean dabbled with Season 2 prior to the release of Ch5 beta as well, so it's impossible to be accurate.

The thing is that we typically get an update in some form within a year from the previous one. In this case the previous one is Season 1, which was roughly 6 and a half months after Ch5 Beta. I don't think I'm wrong to say we're unlikely to see it before February and I'm more likely by the end of April.

If I look at updates, I don't think Ocean's comfortable letting it get close to a year between updates.

This is called a substitution of concepts. The words of sorco2003 are absolutely correct in that the last update was a year ago. An update is a continuation of the game, in which we see new storylines. However, in the spring rework we saw nothing new. It is difficult to even call it a rework, the word "censorship" is more appropriate here.

 

[Don Sucio]

I agree - I think a version of free roam (or at least something that is more specifically choice driven) would work in the bar opening, the barn parties and the welcome party when moving into student housing.

I wonder if Ocean will start implementing choices - choose A miss out on B - at the bar opening and barn parties?

I could see this happening to further define the relationships that the MC wants to invest in, and at the expense of other potential LI's/relationships.

Cheers!!

Would we consider it free roam if during the bar opening (for example) we were given a choice in the dialogue of who to talk to next? The essential thing about a free roam is the order in which things are done, but we've already seen Ocean toy with this in the bookclub - do you sit with Nami or Sasha? I think these sort of choices could be does well, but instead of find the interactive part of the render, you just what direction the story advances.

I hope so, I don't need to backtrack through any more kitchen renders in AVN's again in my life.

Oh i´m definitely good with that type of "free roaming". Choosing between one thing or orther is always welcomed for me, that way i feel more immersion because the player is who choose what to do, and of course if you choose one thing it´s needed to lose the other option/scene . But if we are talking about that scenes where you click arrows pointing a door and click on characters to have conversations with and that stuff then i prefer not having it...

 

[Maviarab]

You can think whatever you want, but there are three things about Willie:
1. Any woman except Mira and Leia will only give birth to twins from Willie. And only a boy and a girl.
2. Miru is not capable of getting pregnant from Willie. They are so different that Willie's sperm does not survive in Mira's womb.
3. Leia will give birth to someone like Vanessa from Willie

You do talk some absolute tosh. NO INCEST!!!

Would we consider it free roam if during the bar opening (for example) we were given a choice in the dialogue of who to talk to next? The essential thing about a free roam is the order in which things are done, but we've already seen Ocean toy with this in the bookclub - do you sit with Nami or Sasha? I think these sort of choices could be does well, but instead of find the interactive part of the render, you just what direction the story advances.

I hope so, I don't need to backtrack through any more kitchen renders in AVN's again in my life.

For example, let's say there's a party and you're drinking. And depending on who you start drinking with, you get different scenes with the other characters.

This completely, nothing in free roam cannot be done with simple choices and flags. Sit with someone, the other option is no longer available etc. Free roam and sandboxes are for people who want to make a game but don't actually have the real skills or dev team behind them and/or like to waste people's time to account for a lack of actual story content.

By the time free roam and all the pointless crap is coded and tested etc, you could have made another 50 renders to actually progress your story.

 

[BobTheDuck]

You do talk some absoluite tosh. NO INCEST!!!


This completely, nothing in free roam cannot be done with simple choices and flags. Sit with someone, the other option is no longer available etc. Free roam and sandboxes are for people who want to make a game but don't actually have the real skills or dev team behind them and/or like to waste people's time to account for a lack of actual story content.

By the time free roam and all the pointless crap is coded and tested etc, you could have made another 50 renders to actually progress your story.

And Ocean's got enough to do with getting all his renders cooked. The best thing about choices like this is that the different paths actually fel different. Most RPG/adventure style games have one main plot, with peripheral info that broadens the story. Already through the choices, but following one person, you miss out on a lot of back story. I'm sure we'll find out about Nia or Zara, or Ceril in different ways, but I think it's possible to actually miss all of the details about Melanie so far, if you're not curious. Nami's statement about Nika having been charged in the past is another great example - everyone's so caught up in Siegbert they forget they could just avoid the cat by not goin gon the raid.

What I'm hoping for is much more of this branching content. Sure we'll likely all get to the same point by the end of the next release (I doubt Ocean will do different cliffhangers for different paths) but we'll all know different things.

 

[dameromexxx]

I think freeroaming doesn´t fit this game, it would break all the immersive that Ocean has achieved, i don´t know, for me it would break the timing and the environment, i don´t know if you get what i want to say. But said that is true that all the new elements are near to games with freeroaming, as you have said: the phone, the dialogue thing... But i don´t think Ocean suddenly makes SG a freeroaming game, nothing has showed us that idea.

Cool I'm not a fan of free roaming either but it was hard not to start asking myself such questions when I started wondering what the phone function should look like. Usually in other games it is activated during free roaming so

- Will we have access to it at any time?
- Only at specific moments in the plot when we get a render in which Nika has to check something on his phone
- Or there will be more moments like in the book club which Bob mentioned for example during the opening of the bar we will get four windows with people to choose from to talk to and that's when the phone icon will become active

What I wonder the most is whether it will simply be supported by the story and before you open the phone functions you simply have to see a render in which Nika is holding the phone in his hand or it will simply be a permanent icon in the upper side corner that you can always activate