VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[LHDLLB]

I see your point, but it's too big a thing to implement, and it can only happen at the end once all the WiaB variables are completed. If SG was developed as a sequel rather than at the same time, it'd be possible, but WiaB needs to be finished, and Season 1 of SG has a completed script. Ocean would have to rework the script to implement the save data, and trigger new renders etc. Will that actually be worth it in 10 years time?

If you avoid Miru, Ayua will still exist no matter what you do. The canon is that Ayua is a Zane, and will be for the next decade until WiaB is finished and saves can be transferred. Would it make sense to you to have a change like that after knowing Ayua is a Zane for that long, having played SG all that time, having seen the whole development of both games already? It'll be ingraind by that point.

Sure Sasha can be Willi's but it's also not a problem if she is. All it means is that Nika is definitely not Willi's if Sasha is. Those are mutually exclusive facts according to the ToS that Ocean abides by. There will never be a problem like that. Ocean won't allow paths to exist that would jeopardise SG, which is his main income. Players will not be able to choose those kinds of paths that would cause problems. You're assuming that OCean will allow choices in WiaB to threaten his source of income. Right now, SG in effect props up WiaB. Simple - in your scenario, Elena and William decide to separate, because Elena gets pregnant to someone else. in the time between the end of Wiab and Sasha's conception, or any variation of things that happen after the player's ending in the year after. Solved.

Also, she is not the only LI that is the daughter of a possible LI in WiaB, we simply don't know what might or might not happen with Daphne, Dana, Mon, Gina, Zoey, Kat... We don't know Elena is a LI right now. Heck other than Miru, we don't know if any of them are

At this point I am glad that you can se my point, was going crazy thinking that I was talking nonsense. Couple of thing, yes would require WiaB be finished and it entails more work, but this only is post pond the problem, also this applys to the Ayua situation as well, we may be talking about a problem 10 years from now but it still is a problem. At least if Ocean intents to keep the transfer save idea insted of one canon end, then SG has to make sense in all those variables, and abide to ToS in all those variable as well.

For sure, as I said, I was making assumptions. It is only a problem so far as both of them are William's children. About Ocean not allowing paths to jeopardize SG... Again the story was not written in 2024, nor was WiaB. He can have made changes to ajust the script - if not he should- but is really out of the realm of possibilities that the original intent was another ? Is not a problem with out solution, assuming Elena is a LI, they could have broken up, Elena got pregnant and William got back with Miru and had Ayua. Entirely possible. But this defeats the purpose of the transfer saves idea, much easier have a canon end, why allow me to transfer my William to them go out of way to invalided my choice ? Makes no sense.

No, but she is the only one that we know off. Amber, Bella, Sasha, Elsa, Marla, Mila, Nadia, Nami, Nia, Sonya,Vanessa, Zara, Victoria. Out of those I would say very few can be William's and fewer so match the knows WiaB LI. and ofcourse Elena can not be a LI in WiaB, and all of this is only a problem if Nika is a Zane, if he is not the entire cast can be Williams children. I was just making a observation, the same way that LI such as Nami has some issue to work around, Sasha could have similar ones.

 

[BobTheDuck]

At this point I am glad that you can se my point, was going crazy thinking that I was talking nonsense. Couple of thing, yes would require WiaB be finished and it entails more work, but this only is post pond the problem, also this applys to the Ayua situation as well, we may be talking about a problem 10 years from now but it still is a problem. At least if Ocean intents to keep the transfer save idea insted of one canon end, then SG has to make sense in all those variables, and abide to ToS in all those variable as well.

For sure, as I said, I was making assumptions. It is only a problem so far as both of them are William's children. About Ocean not allowing paths to jeopardize SG... Again the story was not written in 2024, nor was WiaB. He can have made changes to ajust the script - if not he should- but is really out of the realm of possibilities that the original intent was another ? Is not a problem with out solution, assuming Elena is a LI, they could have broken up, Elena got pregnant and William got back with Miru and had Ayua. Entirely possible. But this defeats the purpose of the transfer saves idea, much easier have a canon end, why allow me to transfer my William to them go out of way to invalided my choice ? Makes no sense.

No, but she is the only one that we know off. Amber, Bella, Sasha, Elsa, Marla, Mila, Nadia, Nami, Nia, Sonya,Vanessa, Zara, Victoria. Out of those I would say very few can be William's and fewer so match the knows WiaB LI. and ofcourse Elena can not be a LI in WiaB, and all of this is only a problem if Nika is a Zane, if he is not the entire cast can be Williams children. I was just making a observation, the same way that LI such as Nami has some issue to work around, Sasha could have similar ones.

Original intent is lost, along with the old WiaB and the old SG. The assumed original intent is not the current intent or the future intnet. To wonder what might be which won't happen because of the ToS Ocean needs to stick to won't persuade the people Ocean needs to keep onboard. Nothing needs to change in the scrip we hae of SG fro Sasha to simply be a Petrova. For her to be part Zane, Ocean will need to change the script and potentially add in plot lines in 2030 of SG Season 1 right up to wherever he gets to by the time Wiab Is published. And the same for all the other potential crossover choices. I don't think that's a useful way for Ocean to spend time.

Of SG, what prevents Bella, Elsa, Mila, Nadia, Nia, Vanessa, or Zara from being William's wild oats (or Leia's genes)? The only thing is who Nika's daddy might be. Of these we know nothing for certain. If any of them were Leia's, it's still the same situation. The Frohns, Sonya, Amber, Marla are the only ones definitely not.

The only problem is technical in regard to whether it's too much work to transfer WiaB saves meaningfully. Season to season makes sense, because Ocean hasn't developed the subsequent seasons before so it can be implemented on the fly, in an almost linear fashion. Then SG will eventually be done, and it's save can easily be ported to the next game. THe technical issue is that WiaB won't befinished before we're in the third season of SG, which will bake a lot of things into our memories.

I'm honestly not certain about who is or isn't a Zane via sticky tryst. WiaB will clear up a lot of things for SG once we find out those bits of knowledge regarding the new thrust.

 

[AlexFXR]

In actual fact, Ch2 was the fastest Ocean's ever rendered, until now. Right now Ocean is rendering faster than at any point before.

Ch2 - 2545 new renders in 248 days, 10.26 renders a day. 2000 renders in 150 days is faster at an average of 13.3 a day with much better quality than before

Your statement is very questionable from a mathematical point of view. I just can't understand how what you wrote can be faster than: 3200 renders in 90 days, 35.5 renders per day. By the way, Ocean did this last year for season 1 chapter 5, which means he used textures from version 8 of Genesis (8.1-8.2). Now, when he makes season 2 chapter 1, he also uses version 8 of Genesis, so the quality will be the same as in previous chapters. Why did you decide that the quality will improve?

 

[rudy007]

Original intent is lost, along with the old WiaB and the old SG. The assumed original intent is not the current intent or the future intnet. To wonder what might be which won't happen because of the ToS Ocean needs to stick to won't persuade the people Ocean needs to keep onboard. Nothing needs to change in the scrip we hae of SG fro Sasha to simply be a Petrova. For her to be part Zane, Ocean will need to change the script and potentially add in plot lines in 2030 of SG Season 1 right up to wherever he gets to by the time Wiab Is published. And the same for all the other potential crossover choices. I don't think that's a useful way for Ocean to spend time.

Of SG, what prevents Bella, Elsa, Mila, Nadia, Nia, Vanessa, or Zara from being William's wild oats (or Leia's genes)? The only thing is who Nika's daddy might be. Of these we know nothing for certain. If any of them were Leia's, it's still the same situation. The Frohns, Sonya, Amber, Marla are the only ones definitely not.

The only problem is technical in regard to whether it's too much work to transfer WiaB saves meaningfully. Season to season makes sense, because Ocean hasn't developed the subsequent seasons before so it can be implemented on the fly, in an almost linear fashion. Then SG will eventually be done, and it's save can easily be ported to the next game. THe technical issue is that WiaB won't befinished before we're in the third season of SG, which will bake a lot of things into our memories.

I'm honestly not certain about who is or isn't a Zane via sticky tryst. WiaB will clear up a lot of things for SG once we find out those bits of knowledge regarding the new thrust.

I heard that Willy was 20 years ago briefly in Iran...

 

[dameromexxx]

Aren't those the cafeteria waiters ? with the purple ribbons I mean. I think at least one of them work as a cam girl as well.

Honestly, I don't think so. The first time we see purple ribbons around the necks of three girls protesting for ''Free Boobs Movment'', but from Nami's words we know there are more of them. Then one of the three later comes to us in the cafeteria asking if we're interested in acting lessons. The girl with the tattoo on her back in the library that you mentioned earlier also wears it, and one of the viewers of the show with handcuffs. It's a pity we can't ask Maya if she has such a ribbon

 

[RNasc4444]

Elena got pregnant and William got back with Miru and had Ayua.

Allow me to interject, once again, to remind you that as far as we know Ayua is a Zane and neither William nor Miru are Zanes. Therefore continuing to assume that Ayua is Miru and Willi's daughter is unwise given the info we currently have.

 

[LHDLLB]

Original intent is lost, along with the old WiaB and the old SG. The assumed original intent is not the current intent or the future intnet. To wonder what might be which won't happen because of the ToS Ocean needs to stick to won't persuade the people Ocean needs to keep onboard. Nothing needs to change in the scrip we hae of SG fro Sasha to simply be a Petrova. For her to be part Zane, Ocean will need to change the script and potentially add in plot lines in 2030 of SG Season 1 right up to wherever he gets to by the time Wiab Is published. And the same for all the other potential crossover choices. I don't think that's a useful way for Ocean to spend time.

Of SG, what prevents Bella, Elsa, Mila, Nadia, Nia, Vanessa, or Zara from being William's wild oats (or Leia's genes)? The only thing is who Nika's daddy might be. Of these we know nothing for certain. If any of them were Leia's, it's still the same situation. The Frohns, Sonya, Amber, Marla are the only ones definitely not.

The only problem is technical in regard to whether it's too much work to transfer WiaB saves meaningfully. Season to season makes sense, because Ocean hasn't developed the subsequent seasons before so it can be implemented on the fly, in an almost linear fashion. Then SG will eventually be done, and it's save can easily be ported to the next game. THe technical issue is that WiaB won't befinished before we're in the third season of SG, which will bake a lot of things into our memories.

I'm honestly not certain about who is or isn't a Zane via sticky tryst. WiaB will clear up a lot of things for SG once we find out those bits of knowledge regarding the new thrust.

Oh I fully agree about intent, my point was that SG might have suffered more changes than we know off. Regarding time and useful of time, I fully agree, this is my whole point as to why Sasha might be so problematic. Either she breaches ToS, or to explain her requires further working around. Even if Nika is not a Zane, the fact she is the daughter of a ( potentiality )LI of WiaB make Ocean have to account two variables one in with she is William's daughter and one with she is not. Because if Elena is a LI with we can enter a relationship and Ocean gives the option to import save, having Sasha being somebody else child does not make much sense. More easy is Elena is not a LI anymore, possible but personally I find unlikely, thus Sasha can be anyone child or Sasha is Zane depending on players choice. The ToS thing is just another problem, that hinges not in Sasha but in Nika, Sasha problem is that of possibilites, she might be just as well as she might no be. I only bring it up because the port save idea.

Nothing, outside that we don't know enough to confirm or deny it. We only know of Sasha. But again if we look at those options, give only what we know off, not think crazy scenarios. Nia has problems with her family because she is a camgirl, would William be mad at her because of it when we can encourage Miru to do porn ? Bella, not impossible but would she have such good relationships with Ayua ? Or more would not have a even deeper one if Ayua was her half sister ? Zara and Vanessa, is possible, Nick was cucked by William and raised his children... but it has as much evidence in favor of this idea as there is against. Elsa, sometimes I forgot that she even is a LI, that depends on a lot that we have no clue off 50/50. Mila is a stronger one if her mother was one of Leia's workers, Nadia similar case as Elsa, would say a little more only because she studies at ZPR.

I see the technical issue just as well, don't have a clue how Ocean will handle that, but as SG is ahead not only in the game timeline but in developing I feel that any decision made in WiaB that is transfered to SG will retroactive change the it. Sure nobody can be, but this started with we saying that the chances are that we have less William wild oats than we might think and I agree. Going back to WiaB and based on some of the OG, my guesses based on what we know is: Ayua and her sisters, Sasha and the Revera, think any other character we don't have enough evidence to make a case off.

 

[LHDLLB]

Honestly, I don't think so. The first time we see purple ribbons around the necks of three girls protesting for ''Free Boobs Movment'', but from Nami's words we know there are more of them. Then one of the three later comes to us in the cafeteria asking if we're interested in acting lessons. The girl with the tattoo on her back in the library that you mentioned earlier also wears it, and one of the viewers of the show with handcuffs. It's a pity we can't ask Maya if she has such a ribbon

You are right, I may be mixing things up. Maybe the camgirl that work at the cafeteria uses one ? But you are right it seems to be a free the nipple thing.

 

[LHDLLB]

Allow me to interject, once again, to remind you that as far as we know Ayua is a Zane and neither William nor Miru are Zanes. Therefore continuing to assume that Ayua is Miru and Willi's daughter is unwise given the info we currently have.

You are absolutely right. Given know information William is not Zane, nor by blood nor by law. Kinda pointless discussion is it not ?

 

[Adhdclassic]

The problem I have with the 2 series is SG is somewhat further along than WIAB. It leaves us lacking whose kid is whose. Due to WIAB has basically just started we are assuming the people we know of are these people's kids. When WIAB returns we will be introduced to new people I'm sure. A lot of the answers will be answered. Know it's too late to say it and it has been said before Ocean should have dealt with one at a time.

 

[BobTheDuck]

Allow me to interject, once again, to remind you that as far as we know Ayua is a Zane and neither William nor Miru are Zanes. Therefore continuing to assume that Ayua is Miru and Willi's daughter is unwise given the info we currently have.

Actually, we don't know that, only that Leia is his only relative. It's entirely possible Ocean has created multidimensional hulahoops to do a song and dance while he jumps through them.

Aside from wanting to play all the new fun things (and stare at Katie) in ch4, I basically want to see WHAT he does with the change. I still think it was way too big a bombshell to drop without clarity or explanation. BUt Ocean owes me nothing. CH4 will be a very useful and revealing update. ANd significant Katie in both games, I can totally deal with that.

 

[RNasc4444]

You are absolutely right. Given know information William is not Zane, nor by blood nor by law. Kinda pointless discussion is it not ?

Not entirely pointless. I still enjoy reading the theories and discussions. I just think we should generally avoid speaking in absolutes when it comes to Oceans games because we all know that nothing is set in stone and everything is subject to change at any moment.

I also always assumed Auya to be Willi and Miru's child but considering what Ocean stated in that memorable devlog, that is probably not true. And this is assuming the world of Wollust plays by the same rules we do in the real world. For all we know the families in the game could work as clans and the processes of adoption, guardianship and legal identification could all be different from what we know.