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Moreover, Sasha clearly doesn't trust Nika, so she kept her eyes on him, making sure he didn't do anything while drunk Ayua was throwing herself at him.
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I remember what I was thinking at the bar scene where Dwight eventually threw drunk Ayua over his shoulder and left the bar just after Sasha gave him a look, didn't even have to say anything. I thought, they look and act like a brother and a sister. And some time ago someone else also mentioned here in this thread that Dwight might be Sasha's brother.

Now I'm unable to think anything else about their relationship. They did look like they knew each other really well and they seemed close enough to do favors for each other without asking. And they are obviously close enough to read each others thoughts from a mere look in some situations - as the one with Ayua getting drunk (possibly not the first time when Dwight had to drag her drunk ass home). They were sitting side-by-side, but not close enough to be a couple and way too close for Dwight to be her bodyguard or some kind of sub-ordinate. Which would also be weird, since they're both students.
They looked and acted like two siblings at a bar table.
Yeah, I've oddly never
We lost a mother and a sister. And in return we got a landlady and a roommate.:KEK:
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Not entirely pointless. I still enjoy reading the theories and discussions. I just think we should generally avoid speaking in absolutes when it comes to Oceans games because we all know that nothing is set in stone and everything is subject to change at any moment.

I also always assumed Auya to be Willi and Miru's child but considering what Ocean stated in that memorable devlog, that is probably not true. And this is assuming the world of Wollust plays by the same rules we do in the real world. For all we know the families in the game could work as clans and the processes of adoption, guardianship and legal identification could all be different from what we know.
since ch 3 wiab i am absolutely sure that ayua's biological mother is Ri Ri from leia's club
Apparently in WIAB something is supposed to happen with Ri Ri and Leia will adopt Ayua. Thus Ayua becomes Zayn.
 

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since ch 3 wiab i am absolutely sure that ayua's biological mother is Ri Ri from leia's club
Apparently in WIAB something is supposed to happen with Ri Ri and Leia will adopt Ayua. Thus Ayua becomes Zayn.
You know that Leia might not actually be a Zane any more, based on Ocean's big change mentioned in WiaB? I personally think he'll keep the names, but we'll have to wait until Ch4 is revealed to know how he's dealing with it, and quite possibly there will be parts of the first three chapters changed to accomodate.
 
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You know that Leia might not actually be a Zane any more, based on Ocean's big change mentioned in WiaB? I personally think he'll keep the names, but we'll have to wait until Ch4 is revealed to know how he's dealing with it, and quite possibly there will be parts of the first three chapters changed to accomodate.
I think you misunderstood him. I wrote on 06/24/2024 that Willie and Leah are not Dylan's biological children. Helen cheated on him and gave birth to twins from this betrayal. But this does not mean that they are not Zanes. Dylan recognized them as his children and gave them his last name.
But in this game, the bloodline is extremely important: the bloodline of the Zanes and the bloodline of their enemy - the father of the twins.
 

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I think you misunderstood him. I wrote on 06/24/2024 that Willie and Leah are not Dylan's biological children. Helen cheated on him and gave birth to twins from this betrayal. But this does not mean that they are not Zanes. Dylan recognized them as his children and gave them his last name.
But in this game, the bloodline is extremely important: the bloodline of the Zanes and the bloodline of their enemy - the father of the twins.
Ocean said in July that Helen isn't related to William or Leia either.
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Ocean said in July that Helen isn't related to William or Leia either.
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But we still don't know what Ocean meant, he could be referring to the vanilla version so now Leia is officially the twin and no longer an LI or that Willy and Leia are adopted/in the custody of the Zaines
 

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But we still don't know what Ocean meant, he could be referring to the vanilla version so now Leia is officially the twin and no longer an LI or that Willy and Leia are adopted/in the custody of the Zaines
Correct, that's what I'm saying: we don't know. It's pretty clear that Ocean has said no one is related to Willi but Leia, there's no other way to spin it. How that plays out is another matter, and until we see what Ocean plans there, we don't even know if he'll change SG names etc. Trying to rationalise it when it's a decision based on something ouside the game (Ocean's desire for WiaB to have a stable development) means that the changes aren't based on what is happening internal to the story, so don't relate to the story as currently understood.

Edit: also, vanilla version? I'm pretty sure there will be just the one official version.
 

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Trying to rationalise it when it's a decision based on something ouside the game (Ocean's desire for WiaB to have a stable development) means that the changes aren't based on what is happening internal to the story, so don't relate to the story as currently understood.
This is the part that makes our skin crawl

Edit: also, vanilla version? I'm pretty sure there will be just the one official version.
To differentiate the use of mods (by third parties and not intended by Ocean) that make Katie our bibi sister instead of our bibi roommate (as intended by Ocean)
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This is the part that makes our skin crawl


To differentiate the use of mods (by third parties and not intended by Ocean) that make Katie our bibi sister instead of our bibi roommate (as intended by Ocean)
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Exactly, so it feels pretty strange to try to determine the genealogies of people in SG when there is no basis. Okay well, Mario's marked as safe™ from the implications of July's WiaB devlog, as is Damian (I guess?) Marla, and Nick. Not going to put money down on Jeff or Trey though. :sneaky:
 

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I love the flow of the dialog here.
It's usually the story or the renders that get me hooked, not often that it's a double shot.
It's easy to get emersed in the story, maybe its a connection to the MCs personality or that catchy "Diamonds into Dust" tune but this is a great re-start.
 

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Not entirely pointless. I still enjoy reading the theories and discussions. I just think we should generally avoid speaking in absolutes when it comes to Oceans games because we all know that nothing is set in stone and everything is subject to change at any moment.

I also always assumed Auya to be Willi and Miru's child but considering what Ocean stated in that memorable devlog, that is probably not true. And this is assuming the world of Wollust plays by the same rules we do in the real world. For all we know the families in the game could work as clans and the processes of adoption, guardianship and legal identification could all be different from what we know.
Can you point me to this "memorable devlog"?
 

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While browsing old devlogs, a thought occurred to me.

Since Ocean introduces a new dialogue window modeled on RPG games in which we have the opportunity to ask for additional information, claiming that Nika has recovered enough that he is starting to be interested in other people.
So what do you think ?, will Ocean surprise us in the future and introduce free-roaming sections to the game?
This, together with the introduction of the smartphone function, looks to me like preparing the mechanics that will be needed for this, and after all, Ocean can always say that Nika is healing well enough that he wants to start going to parties or other gatherings and talking to people



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So now you have the context for all my theorising of late :HideThePain:
And your assumption is that if his parents aren't Zanes, then he is related to whoever is running this dangerous mafia that still hasn't shown itself who is also could be the parents of Will and Leia?
Are you asking for the devlog where he talks about taxation in Germany, the devlog where he talks about him paying taxes or the devlog where he tells that he is vexed by taxation and he wants to relocate?

I only remember him talking about taxation, dammnit.
This one didn't mention anything about tax. So you're wrong Oji-san!
He did talk about his apartment though...
 
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And your assumption is that if his parents aren't Zanes, then he is related to whoever is running this dangerous mafia that still hasn't shown itself who is also could be the parents of Will and Leia?
Oh that was just an initial idea when I'd stayed up too late and my brain was tired. It's not impossible, just really depends on what Ocean wants to do now. I'm more interested in the conversations here about who is a Zane in SG - before the assumption was that Willi was the Chadfather of Wollust. With the changes, Is Ayua still going to be a Zane? Will Leia and Willi be adopted and have the Zane name? Or are they the actual Zane's and Katie, Helen and Dylan will have a new name? Is Leia a LI still? All these things are now up for questioning, and we won't know until CH4 of WiaB or SG S2 Ch1 drops. WiaB will presumably cover it in some detail, while SG it'll be seeing what has changed about Ayua and Katie, what dialogue might Ocean push as a bug fix to SG S1?

I'm thinking more about what the functional aspect will look like, as this is primarily a decision forced on Ocean to create stability and future proof both games. It's simply wide open until we have a detailed explanation, and I doubt Ocean will do that in a devlog - it'd spoil the anticipation for an update if someone doesn't like the way it plays out.
 
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will Ocean surprise us in the future and introduce free-roaming sections to the game?
Be an instant drop for me if he does. I'm the opposite of Nasc, I follow this purely because it's an extra to WIAB...I don't overly care for it much as a standalone VN. Adding free-roam, I'd just delete it and unfollow this thread immediately.
 

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Be an instant drop for me if he does. I'm the opposite of Nasc, I follow this purely because it's an extra to WIAB...I don't overly care for it much as a standalone VN. Adding free-roam, I'd just delete it and unfollow this thread immediately.
What will you do when free-roam is added to WIAB:)
What I think is that you should start looking at the Dev Logs for WIAB to see if there are any traces of phones and RPG dialogs boxes
 
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