VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[White cat6]

You know that Leia might not actually be a Zane any more, based on Ocean's big change mentioned in WiaB? I personally think he'll keep the names, but we'll have to wait until Ch4 is revealed to know how he's dealing with it, and quite possibly there will be parts of the first three chapters changed to accomodate.

I think you misunderstood him. I wrote on 06/24/2024 that Willie and Leah are not Dylan's biological children. Helen cheated on him and gave birth to twins from this betrayal. But this does not mean that they are not Zanes. Dylan recognized them as his children and gave them his last name.
But in this game, the bloodline is extremely important: the bloodline of the Zanes and the bloodline of their enemy - the father of the twins.

 

[BobTheDuck]

I think you misunderstood him. I wrote on 06/24/2024 that Willie and Leah are not Dylan's biological children. Helen cheated on him and gave birth to twins from this betrayal. But this does not mean that they are not Zanes. Dylan recognized them as his children and gave them his last name.
But in this game, the bloodline is extremely important: the bloodline of the Zanes and the bloodline of their enemy - the father of the twins.

Ocean said in July that Helen isn't related to William or Leia either.

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[Dr.TSoni]

Ocean said in July that Helen isn't related to William or Leia either.

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But we still don't know what Ocean meant, he could be referring to the vanilla version so now Leia is officially the twin and no longer an LI or that Willy and Leia are adopted/in the custody of the Zaines

 

[BobTheDuck]

But we still don't know what Ocean meant, he could be referring to the vanilla version so now Leia is officially the twin and no longer an LI or that Willy and Leia are adopted/in the custody of the Zaines

Correct, that's what I'm saying: we don't know. It's pretty clear that Ocean has said no one is related to Willi but Leia, there's no other way to spin it. How that plays out is another matter, and until we see what Ocean plans there, we don't even know if he'll change SG names etc. Trying to rationalise it when it's a decision based on something ouside the game (Ocean's desire for WiaB to have a stable development) means that the changes aren't based on what is happening internal to the story, so don't relate to the story as currently understood.

Edit: also, vanilla version? I'm pretty sure there will be just the one official version.

 

[Dr.TSoni]

Trying to rationalise it when it's a decision based on something ouside the game (Ocean's desire for WiaB to have a stable development) means that the changes aren't based on what is happening internal to the story, so don't relate to the story as currently understood.

This is the part that makes our skin crawl

Edit: also, vanilla version? I'm pretty sure there will be just the one official version.

To differentiate the use of mods (by third parties and not intended by Ocean) that make Katie our bibi sister instead of our bibi roommate (as intended by Ocean)

 

[BobTheDuck]

This is the part that makes our skin crawl


To differentiate the use of mods (by third parties and not intended by Ocean) that make Katie our bibi sister instead of our bibi roommate (as intended by Ocean)
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Exactly, so it feels pretty strange to try to determine the genealogies of people in SG when there is no basis. Okay well, Mario's marked as safe™ from the implications of July's WiaB devlog, as is Damian (I guess?) Marla, and Nick. Not going to put money down on Jeff or Trey though.

 

[7empest5teele]

I love the flow of the dialog here.
It's usually the story or the renders that get me hooked, not often that it's a double shot.
It's easy to get emersed in the story, maybe its a connection to the MCs personality or that catchy "Diamonds into Dust" tune but this is a great re-start.

 

[Ottoeight]

Can you point me to this "memorable devlog"?

Are you asking for the devlog where he talks about taxation in Germany, the devlog where he talks about him paying taxes or the devlog where he tells that he is vexed by taxation and he wants to relocate?

I only remember him talking about taxation, dammnit.

 

[BobTheDuck]

Can you point me to this "memorable devlog"?

I linked it above in this post

The section titled 'change' is what you're after.

 

[dameromexxx]

While browsing old devlogs, a thought occurred to me.

Since Ocean introduces a new dialogue window modeled on RPG games in which we have the opportunity to ask for additional information, claiming that Nika has recovered enough that he is starting to be interested in other people.
So what do you think ?, will Ocean surprise us in the future and introduce free-roaming sections to the game?
This, together with the introduction of the smartphone function, looks to me like preparing the mechanics that will be needed for this, and after all, Ocean can always say that Nika is healing well enough that he wants to start going to parties or other gatherings and talking to people

 

[Ahx]

I linked it above in this post

The section titled 'change' is what you're after.

Well, shit!

 

[BobTheDuck]

Well, shit!

So now you have the context for all my theorising of late

 

[Ahx]

So now you have the context for all my theorising of late

And your assumption is that if his parents aren't Zanes, then he is related to whoever is running this dangerous mafia that still hasn't shown itself who is also could be the parents of Will and Leia?

Are you asking for the devlog where he talks about taxation in Germany, the devlog where he talks about him paying taxes or the devlog where he tells that he is vexed by taxation and he wants to relocate?

I only remember him talking about taxation, dammnit.

This one didn't mention anything about tax. So you're wrong Oji-san!
He did talk about his apartment though...

 

[BobTheDuck]

And your assumption is that if his parents aren't Zanes, then he is related to whoever is running this dangerous mafia that still hasn't shown itself who is also could be the parents of Will and Leia?

Oh that was just an initial idea when I'd stayed up too late and my brain was tired. It's not impossible, just really depends on what Ocean wants to do now. I'm more interested in the conversations here about who is a Zane in SG - before the assumption was that Willi was the Chadfather of Wollust. With the changes, Is Ayua still going to be a Zane? Will Leia and Willi be adopted and have the Zane name? Or are they the actual Zane's and Katie, Helen and Dylan will have a new name? Is Leia a LI still? All these things are now up for questioning, and we won't know until CH4 of WiaB or SG S2 Ch1 drops. WiaB will presumably cover it in some detail, while SG it'll be seeing what has changed about Ayua and Katie, what dialogue might Ocean push as a bug fix to SG S1?

I'm thinking more about what the functional aspect will look like, as this is primarily a decision forced on Ocean to create stability and future proof both games. It's simply wide open until we have a detailed explanation, and I doubt Ocean will do that in a devlog - it'd spoil the anticipation for an update if someone doesn't like the way it plays out.

 

[Maviarab]

will Ocean surprise us in the future and introduce free-roaming sections to the game?

Be an instant drop for me if he does. I'm the opposite of Nasc, I follow this purely because it's an extra to WIAB...I don't overly care for it much as a standalone VN. Adding free-roam, I'd just delete it and unfollow this thread immediately.

 

[dameromexxx]

Be an instant drop for me if he does. I'm the opposite of Nasc, I follow this purely because it's an extra to WIAB...I don't overly care for it much as a standalone VN. Adding free-roam, I'd just delete it and unfollow this thread immediately.

What will you do when free-roam is added to WIAB
What I think is that you should start looking at the Dev Logs for WIAB to see if there are any traces of phones and RPG dialogs boxes

 

[Dr.TSoni]

Be an instant drop for me if he does. I'm the opposite of Nasc, I follow this purely because it's an extra to WIAB...I don't overly care for it much as a standalone VN. Adding free-roam, I'd just delete it and unfollow this thread immediately.

Free-roam is the second thing I hate most after single-choice sections

 

[Ahx]

Oh that was just an initial idea when I'd stayed up too late and my brain was tired. It's not impossible, just really depends on what Ocean wants to do now. I'm more interested in the conversations here about who is a Zane in SG - before the assumption was that Willi was the Chadfather of Wollust. With the changes, Is Ayua still going to be a Zane? Will Leia and Willi be adopted and have the Zane name? Or are they the actual Zane's and Katie, Helen and Dylan will have a new name? Is Leia a LI still? All these things are now up for questioning, and we won't know until CH4 of WiaB or SG S2 Ch1 drops. WiaB will presumably cover it in some detail, while SG it'll be seeing what has changed about Ayua and Katie, what dialogue might Ocean push as a bug fix to SG S1?

Ayua IS a Zane and it's already been established. Wait a sec...
Fuck! You think Dylan is the father? Don't you?
You sick bastard! Hmm... could be, could be, not ruling out yet.

Also, the trio, all are adopted. Including Katie. Because Helen and Dylan couldn't conceive in the past, he did mention it a little in CH2 Or 3, so they had to be adopted. And I seriously don't think something like this is ...

normal between a real mother and her son. Maybe I'm a bit outdated or this generation is fucking nuts!

One more thing Nika and Leia (and whoever her parents are like you mentioned(Mafia with snake tattoos)) are totally related.


I mean they both have very much similar skin tones and dead inside. They're practically walking Zombies. They both edgy. Also look at their eyes. Eyes bit different I think? but good chances they're related.

I'm thinking more about what the functional aspect will look like, as this is primarily a decision forced on Ocean to create stability and future proof both games. It's simply wide open until we have a detailed explanation, and I doubt Ocean will do that in a devlog - it'd spoil the anticipation for an update if someone doesn't like the way it plays out.

C'mon mate, you can't give up here. Cook up whatever that comes to your mind, you know the law of average, yes? One of them will definitely end up being the canon one. Winner gets a price, so get on it.

 

[yossa999]

While browsing old devlogs, a thought occurred to me.

Since Ocean introduces a new dialogue window modeled on RPG games in which we have the opportunity to ask for additional information, claiming that Nika has recovered enough that he is starting to be interested in other people.
So what do you think ?, will Ocean surprise us in the future and introduce free-roaming sections to the game?
This, together with the introduction of the smartphone function, looks to me like preparing the mechanics that will be needed for this, and after all, Ocean can always say that Nika is healing well enough that he wants to start going to parties or other gatherings and talking to people



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I doubt it, afair he overdesigned it as usual, and it's just a simple idea to highlight important or secondary options in different colors. Given Ocean's well-known love for coding, I doubt he'll add free roaming anytime soon, even if he wants to. But I don't rememeber he's ever mentioned anything about free roams in dev logs or on Discord.

 

[BobTheDuck]

Ayua IS a Zane and it's already been established. Wait a sec...
Fuck! You think Dylan is the father? Don't you?
You sick bastard! Hmm... could be, could be, not ruling out yet.

Also, the trio, all are adopted. Including Katie. Because Helen and Dylan couldn't conceive in the past, he did mention it a little in CH2 Or 3, so they had to be adopted. And I seriously don't think something like this is ...
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normal between a real mother and her son. Maybe I'm a bit outdated or this generation is fucking nuts!

One more thing Nika and Leia (and whoever her parents are like you mentioned(Mafia with snake tattoos)) are totally related.
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I mean they both have very much similar skin tones and dead inside. They're practically walking Zombies. They both edgy. Also look at their eyes. Eyes bit different I think? but good chances they're related.

C'mon mate, you can't give up here. Cook up whatever that comes to your mind, you know the law of average, yes? One of them will definitely end up being the canon one. Winner gets a price, so get on it.

- Nothing sick about Dylan being the father of Miru's baby, if Willi's shooting blanks Ayua's still gotta arriv somehow...
- Or Ocean simply changes her surname to fit the new back story. Or He changes Katie's family name to Cyrus, or....
- Everyone is adopted, everyone is shooting blanks, and storks are real. I mean Seigbert's real, Gefritzel's real, the racconn and spiders know what's going down in WOllust town, so ...a stork is 100% normal and compliant with every ToS I've seen. I mean there are those books in libraries right? Storks are birds beeing useful!
- the big take away is that if a LI is related to Willi (and so also related to Leia), Nika is not Zane, but most definitely Cyrus to avoid any confusion about who did what to do. ToS.

I kinda answered abstract, as people are probably bored of me talking about it, there's a lot of thoughts about it since July. Some people are still in denial that Ocean's decided that, most of us are just waiting and wondering with each new devlog render, hoping for the hidden clue that'll link it all together.

The other takeaway is:
- Ocean pretty much has to overtly say things that'll clear up misconceptions about parents. So the next two chapters will have plot to make sure everything is clear and future proof.