AlexFXR

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Hi Alex...
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If an old Patreon wants to call him a scammer for what he did with the rework i´m okay with that, i don´t see it that way but i can understand the feeling, but at this point of the story is just bullshit imo.
On Patreon, everything works a little differently. There are 5 points that you can't do, and if you violate them, you will immediately get the brand of a milker or a scammer.

1. Reworks. Previously, many dishonest developers used reworks to get money for years without making new content.
2. Frequent excuses. Again, dishonest developers came up with different reasons not to make the game and get money for free. For example, the developer constantly moves and uses this as an excuse. Or there were developers who were constantly sick and even asked for money for treatment in their logs. But in fact, it turned out that they were not sick, they were just collecting money from fans, etc.
3. Slowing down the development of the game. The developer stops working on the plot of the game and its development. This happens mainly due to the lack of imagination of the developer and he simply does not know what to do next. Therefore, he makes an update that does not make sense, just to get money. Previously, such people were called milkers, now fans simply consider the game dead and leave.
4. Promises. Previously, and even now, dishonest developers make all sorts of promises just to collect more money from fans. Therefore, normal developers try not to make any promises at all. A promise is the first sign of a scammer, but if you make a promise, you must definitely fulfill it.
5. Begging for money. I think there is no need to explain anything here.
 
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Eternum, BaDIK, Artemis, Halfway House and Color of My Sound (Just to name a few) are a couple of VNs that deliver updates at the same pace as SG (and some even have less renders), but only Ocean is the scammer?
C'mon, Alex.
You're in the right to criticize aspects you don't like about the game or things you think that could improve, I also do that and I don't always agree with Ocean and some of his artistic choices. But just accusing him and only him of something that many devs with good quality work do as well? You can't be serious.
 

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Eternum, BaDIK, Artemis, Halfway House and Color of My Sound (Just to name a few) are a couple of VNs that deliver updates at the same pace as SG (and some even have less renders), but only Ocean is the scammer?
C'mon, Alex.
You're in the right to criticize aspects you don't like about the game or things you think that could improve, I also do that and I don't always agree with Ocean and some of his artistic choices. But just accusing him and only him of something that many devs with good quality work do as well? You can't be serious.
I'd like to add Ocean's dev logs are more instructive. I learned a lot about taxation in Germany.
 

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Eternum, BaDIK, Artemis, Halfway House and Color of My Sound (Just to name a few) are a couple of VNs that deliver updates at the same pace as SG (and some even have less renders), but only Ocean is the scammer?
C'mon, Alex.
You're in the right to criticize aspects you don't like about the game or things you think that could improve, I also do that and I don't always agree with Ocean and some of his artistic choices. But just accusing him and only him of something that many devs with good quality work do as well? You can't be serious.
What do you expect of a guy that posted the 5 commandments of Patreon given to him by god itself just one post before yours?
 

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Hello,

Down below, you'll find 10 Sasha images. (4k attached)

Just as with the Bella set. A few themed images followed by some "real-life" images.



Playful, slightly tipsy & finally home from a Halloween party.







Robin's set will be released in two weeks.

Two more renders for high supporters!
Last year, I said that sometimes I'll do one or two extra renders for the high supporters. There are two more intimate renders
Please don't feel pressured to sign up for a higher tier. They will eventually be released for the lower tiers when they go to Steam. (That will take a while, but they will be available eventually.)

  • Ocean
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There are a lot of haters here who don't think much of Ocean's work, but there's no denying that the themed renders are absolute awesomeness.
Without a doubt, my favourite is the first render.

Not only because of Sasha herself but also her environment in this render is great.

I looks like the aftermath on an incantation that went horribly wrong.

Well, I can't put a finger on it but somehow reminds me that scene of a movie.
 

Krytax123

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There are a lot of haters here who don't think much of Ocean's work, but there's no denying that the themed renders are absolute awesomeness.
Without a doubt, my favourite is the first render.

Not only because of Sasha herself but also her environment in this render is great.

I looks like the aftermath on an incantation that went horribly wrong.

Well, I can't put a finger on it but somehow reminds me that scene of a movie.
Im the opposite, im not a hater at all (bmw guy would call me a fanboy) but i couldnt give less of a fuck about wallpapers (or bonus side stories).

Imo thats all just entirely useless timewaste, every non-canon render is wasted time, the only good thing about is that ocean maybe gets new experiences/creativity due to it.

I really dont get the obsession with bonus renders or side stories, there are enough pretty pictures on the internet. The stories, characters and choices is what makes avn's special not pretty pictures.

AVN developement speed is already slow as fuck even considering the fastest devs, i dont get why most of the good devs additionally waste time with lots of stuff like that but it seems like the demand is kinda there even tho i really dont get it.
 

Don Sucio

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Im the opposite, im not a hater at all (bmw guy would call me a fanboy) but i couldnt give less of a fuck about wallpapers (or bonus side stories).

Imo thats all just entirely useless timewaste, every non-canon render is wasted time, the only good thing about is that ocean maybe gets new experiences/creativity due to it.

I really dont get the obsession with bonus renders or side stories, there are enough pretty pictures on the internet. The stories, characters and choices is what makes avn's special not pretty pictures.

AVN developement speed is already slow as fuck even considering the fastest devs, i dont get why most of the good devs additionally waste time with lots of stuff like that but it seems like the demand is kinda there even tho i really dont get it.
I think wallpapers are a way to be connected with Patreons, like some type of reward while people wait for the chapter, like a way to give something while people wait, i don´t know if i´m explaining myself good because i´m sleepy.

But yeah, i´m with you, when devs make wallpapers i just see them i react to them with a emoji which defines how i feel, if i like, gets me horny or that stuff and i just leave them, i don´t use them for nothing.

But for some people could be important, i don´t know, like a way to stay in contact with the game or things like that, just imagine if Ocean doesn´t give people this wallpapers, sooo many months with just dev logs, some people will go crazy :LOL:, but yes yes, i don´t use them so i don´t really care if there are or not, but it´s true that takes time to make them.

Edit: Those last wallpapers reminds me to girl from Eternum: Idriel (?)
 

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Hello,

Down below, you'll find 10 Sasha images. (4k attached)

Just as with the Bella set. A few themed images followed by some "real-life" images.



Playful, slightly tipsy & finally home from a Halloween party.







Robin's set will be released in two weeks.

Two more renders for high supporters!
Last year, I said that sometimes I'll do one or two extra renders for the high supporters. There are two more intimate renders
Please don't feel pressured to sign up for a higher tier. They will eventually be released for the lower tiers when they go to Steam. (That will take a while, but they will be available eventually.)

  • Ocean
Veiled Whispers Zip File:
The fantasy renders reminds me of other artist that I am fond off.
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His ArtStation page if anybody also liked:
 

LHDLLB

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Im the opposite, im not a hater at all (bmw guy would call me a fanboy) but i couldnt give less of a fuck about wallpapers (or bonus side stories).

Imo thats all just entirely useless timewaste, every non-canon render is wasted time, the only good thing about is that ocean maybe gets new experiences/creativity due to it.

I really dont get the obsession with bonus renders or side stories, there are enough pretty pictures on the internet. The stories, characters and choices is what makes avn's special not pretty pictures.

AVN developement speed is already slow as fuck even considering the fastest devs, i dont get why most of the good devs additionally waste time with lots of stuff like that but it seems like the demand is kinda there even tho i really dont get it.
probably because AVNs devs are creative people, special renders are a form of channel their creativity when the process of making the game is too boring, at least is my take on it. Also is a way of keep the community alive between updates and offer a treat to patreons, it may be "wasted" time but I think is a shallow way of seing things.
 

Krytax123

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I think wallpapers are a way to be connected with Patreons, like some type of reward while people wait for the chapter, like a way to give something while people wait, i don´t know if i´m explaining myself good because i´m sleepy.

But yeah, i´m with you, when devs make wallpapers i just see them i react to them with a emoji which defines how i feel, if i like, gets me horny or that stuff and i just leave them, i don´t use them for nothing.

But for some people could be important, i don´t know, like a way to stay in contact with the game or things like that, just imagine if Ocean doesn´t give people this wallpapers, sooo many months with just dev logs, some people will go crazy :LOL:, but yes yes, i don´t use them so i don´t really care if there are or not, but it´s true that takes time to make them.

Edit: Those last wallpapers reminds me to girl from Eternum: Idriel (?)
Yeah i get that but in this case the devs could just post (non-spoilery) previews of renders they are developing for the story anyway. But whatever
 
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Mortarion

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Im the opposite, im not a hater at all (bmw guy would call me a fanboy) but i couldnt give less of a fuck about wallpapers (or bonus side stories).

Imo thats all just entirely useless timewaste, every non-canon render is wasted time, the only good thing about is that ocean maybe gets new experiences/creativity due to it.

I really dont get the obsession with bonus renders or side stories, there are enough pretty pictures on the internet. The stories, characters and choices is what makes avn's special not pretty pictures.

AVN developement speed is already slow as fuck even considering the fastest devs, i dont get why most of the good devs additionally waste time with lots of stuff like that but it seems like the demand is kinda there even tho i really dont get it.
You are totally right. I, for myself, can't stand any kind of Christmas-, Halloween-, Easterupdate for any game. As you said, no main story progress and wasted dev time. I was always glad that Ocean has never done similar shit like this.

On the other side, Ocean estimated 6k-7k renders for SG alone and we still have no render count for WIAB, or I'm wrong?
Let's be generous and assume only 5k -6k renders for WIAB. That makes roughly 11k-13k renders in total. If we count the 4(?) themed sets, that are roughly 40-50 renders.

That's 0.31 - 0.39% of both games.

To be honest, I have doubt that this makes a real difference for the games, 3 days more or less are not the end of the world.

And we have to consider that Ocean always suck with his release dates. :HideThePain:
 

yossa999

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You are totally right. I, for myself, can't stand any kind of Christmas-, Halloween-, Easterupdate for any game. As you said, no main story progress and wasted dev time. I was always glad that Ocean has never done similar shit like this.

On the other side, Ocean estimated 6k-7k renders for SG alone and we still have no render count for WIAB, or I'm wrong?
Let's be generous and assume only 5k -6k renders for WIAB. That makes roughly 11k-13k renders in total. If we count the 4(?) themed sets, that are roughly 40-50 renders.

That's 0.31 - 0.39% of both games.

To be honest, I have doubt that this makes a real difference for the games, 3 days more or less are not the end of the world.

And we have to consider that Ocean always suck with his release dates. :HideThePain:
Wow, wow, you're being too generous! Let's shrink this fish a bit, he wrote in one of the recent WiAB dev logs, he estimates WiAB Ch4 as 3000-3500 renders. :KEK:
 

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Wow, wow, you're being too generous! Let's shrink this fish a bit, he wrote in one of the recent WiAB dev logs, he estimates WiAB Ch4 as 3000-3500 renders. :KEK:
Yeah, and Ocean estimations are about as precise as my blind uncle throwing darts. If he is aiming at 3500 renders chances are he will hit something between 4000/4500, not that I am complaining, the more Leia the better.
 

AlexFXR

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Eternum, BaDIK, Artemis, Halfway House and Color of My Sound (Just to name a few) are a couple of VNs that deliver updates at the same pace as SG (and some even have less renders), but only Ocean is the scammer?
Why did you bring up the scam topic? And what does the speed of work have to do with it? We were actually talking about something else. If you're wondering why Ocean started being called a scammer, the first time it happened was a few years ago because of the situation with video cards. Although it doesn't matter anymore, because he gets caught lying every year, and it doesn't surprise anyone anymore.
You're in the right to criticize aspects you don't like about the game or things you think that could improve, I also do that and I don't always agree with Ocean and some of his artistic choices. But just accusing him and only him of something that many devs with good quality work do as well? You can't be serious.
Actually, I didn't criticize anyone just now. Are you saying that Ocean is doing the same as other developers?
OK.... Can you tell me which developers are deceiving people and extracting money from them? This will be very useful information for those who are going to donate.
 
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Im the opposite, im not a hater at all (bmw guy would call me a fanboy) but i couldnt give less of a fuck about wallpapers (or bonus side stories).

Imo thats all just entirely useless timewaste, every non-canon render is wasted time, the only good thing about is that ocean maybe gets new experiences/creativity due to it.

I really dont get the obsession with bonus renders or side stories, there are enough pretty pictures on the internet. The stories, characters and choices is what makes avn's special not pretty pictures.

AVN developement speed is already slow as fuck even considering the fastest devs, i dont get why most of the good devs additionally waste time with lots of stuff like that but it seems like the demand is kinda there even tho i really dont get it.
I don't care much for wallpapers either, but let's be honest, the lighting and composition for those are top notch. they're absolutely gorgeous.

I imagine those wallpapers to be some kind of process to refertilize his creativity when he's bored. I can imagine working years upon years on a single project can make it pretty monotonous with its ups and downs in the creative process.

I don't think the wallpapers are only for patreons, it's for him too. to avoid creative burn out I guess. That's how I see it.
 
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