VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[The Bush Diver]

Oh boy, go back a few pages and you will see a full 3 pages discussion of pubic hair. Ocean did change the bush for a landing strip. It is what is is my friend.

The horror....

Excuse moi, I shall search for a will to live after that...

 

[yossa999]

The horror....

Excuse moi, I shall search for a will to live after that...

No need to despair ahead of time, the landing strip appeared in the Halloween renders set, maybe it's just a part of her Halloween image like a decaying skin.

 

[Dr.TSoni]

Man, this scene cracks me up every time...love it!

And now, the whole scene is even better...I want to date Ayua now!

Spoiler: One of SG's funny moments...

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[BobTheDuck]

I think you are right about missing what resonated with us. I personally feel much of this on the Nami path, and even though I like S1 more, there are moments of the early versions that I do miss. The wake-up scene in Nami's bad, the Nami talk when she asks you if like Bella, some of the Bella and MC first interactions, Mila talk on the first day of school is much better on the original.

I think that the end result is way better now, but those little things shined much more before, maybe because all the rest was average or below? I still think that Ocean can deliver this emotional scene incredibly well, to add to those you mentioned, Zara basketball scene on the last EP or the little jealousy scenes of Nami.

I don't think that the story is now bland but I do think that the reworks robbed was a little. And I don't really blame Ocean for it, you can't dive in the same river twice because every time you dive you and the river change. I can write and later rewrite one text and transmit the same idea, but they are not gonna be the same text. Writing is a creative and emotional process; Ocean could not hit the same exact tone twice. That, plus all the other worries of life, two games, Patreon TOS and music licensing, I don't blame him.

The rework was necessary, and those little moments, as good as they were, were among a lot of bad stuff; I don't think he could've done otherwise. I understand all of that, but I still miss those little moments that did resonated with me and no longer exist, I don't hate the new but they don't hit the same tone for me and that is that I guess.

Just to end this absurdly long text, that is not really a fair description of the scene, Bella run "over" two men who was threatening and harassing her and Nika, it could be said it was self defence even, if anything it shows that she is capable of rational think and doesn't respond to every attack by escalating it. Sure, it shows a degree of reckless but I would not call it insane behave.



OCEAN IS A TRUE GENIUS, THAT THE SIMPLE MINDED CANNOT COMPREHEND.

You are too caught up on the old ways, Ocean approach of storytelling is revolutionary. Nothing is real and everything can change, if you can't follow that you will not appreciate this master piece.



You, I, Bob and half the thread, Ayua is a fandom darling but alas Ocean hates his fandom so he flaunts beautiful girls on our faces and refuses to make them LIs. Maja, Ayua, Nojiko, Mysterious Redhead. Not much that we can do, Ayua will forever be the impossible dream

I love your analogy about diving into the same river. We're nostalgic for something. I understand what's lost, but I also se other things gained. Like the talk with Nami if you don't go with Bella, that for me was a special moment (far more special than Siegfried). I think the problem with some of the new writing is that earlier, it felt like a real time RPG, and now it feels turn based dialogue. THere was an immediacy to Nami, the swearing felt natural, arguments had a good pace. Now the heartbeat is measured, even when there are issues. Over editing can do that. But, the other side is that I now enjoy characters that I didn't before, they have become endearing in other ways.

About the hit and run, I'm simply saying Bella maliciously decided to run into them, not over them (well, into one of them), and then drove off. I'm sure that behaviour wouldn't be acceptable if a police officer saw it. I altered the contrast on the first render - the guy is airbourne, hit hard enough to be up the bonnet, Bella floored the pedal, and is proud about it, smiling. I'm pretty sure they could report her, if they weren't worried about all their illegal shit getting them arrested at the same time. I wonder if Vic was hit as hard by Marla? Flooring a racing car to get someone airbourne is a lot of force.

A lack of remorse, and Bella actually ENJOYING accelerating a car into another human being is shitty behaviour, and not the signs of a socially well adjusted psyche.



Answered below about LI's. Not being a LI doesn't mean non-lewdable, early happy endings without romantic endings? But we'll see.

Say what? I wasn't aware that Ayua was off limits. Glad my allegiance belongs to #TeamBella...even though Ocean decided to take away this precious image from the game...

I'm no longer sure of Ayua being off limits, based on how she's getting spicier and spicier ...Ocean does have a track record of change. Ocean said once that Ayua wasn't a LI but he also said he hadn't decided and Ayua was considered a special case. In Maja's situation, she is supposed to be lewdable, but there's no happy couple with Nika at the end.

Given Ocean's record of tease and denial blueballer tactics, he's probably stringing us along, and do whatever will give him the most chuckles watching us hope, dangle the carrot.

The horror....

Excuse moi, I shall search for a will to live after that...

I imagine it's grow back and get shaven as required. THere are no continuity errors, just styling.

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But ....can YOU do Stephanie good Dr.??? Ocean's making sure you can if you want

I can just imagine Ocean rubbing his hands together thinking about making Marla's lewd scene canon for Claire's bingo sheet, or making the first lewd scene and ode to Steph.

 

[LHDLLB]

I love your analogy about diving into the same river. We're nostalgic for something. I understand what's lost, but I also se other things gained. Like the talk with Nami if you don't go with Bella, that for me was a special moment (far more special than Siegfried). I think the problem with some of the new writing is that earlier, it felt like a real time RPG, and now it feels turn based dialogue. THere was an immediacy to Nami, the swearing felt natural, arguments had a good pace. Now the heartbeat is measured, even when there are issues. Over editing can do that. But, the other side is that I now enjoy characters that I didn't before, they have become endearing in other ways.

About the hit and run, I'm simply saying Bella maliciously decided to run into them, not over them (well, into one of them), and then drove off. I'm sure that behaviour wouldn't be acceptable if a police officer saw it. I altered the contrast on the first render - the guy is airbourne, hit hard enough to be up the bonnet, Bella floored the pedal, and is proud about it, smiling. I'm pretty sure they could report her, if they weren't worried about all their illegal shit getting them arrested at the same time. I wonder if Vic was hit as hard by Marla? Flooring a racing car to get someone airbourne is a lot of force.

A lack of remorse, and Bella actually ENJOYING accelerating a car into another human being is shitty behaviour, and not the signs of a socially well adjusted psyche.

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Answered below about LI's. Not being a LI doesn't mean non-lewdable, early happy endings without romantic endings? But we'll see.

Thank you, sometimes I get something right. I don't hate the rework, there is a number of things in it that I like more and we gained a lot and I praise it as well, I just can't help but be a little sad for what was lost as well. In the end I still think the net result is posit. About over editing I think you might be right about that.

I can see your point and I agree. My point is that it is a cut of a long sequence, if you look only at it Bella comes out as unhinged. When I look at the whole interaction her behavior makes much more sense to me, is it a behavior of a well adjusted person ? Arguably not. Is the behavior of a person I would consider crazy ? Not really. Bella prevented Nika from escalating the situation, asked repeatedly to be left alone and later gave a ultimato, a chance to the other person step away, I can't blame her for acting on it. Be trilled about it and showing a lack of regret are signal of something ? Maybe. I attribute it to a youthful recklessness than a sadistic trait. Although I think anyone on her place would get a little pleasure of out it, give a fuck you to a asshole can be addicted.

EDIT: Yeah, we may lock out and get some lewd action with Ayua or - god helps- the redhead. I just am not having high hopes for it. As you said, he likes to tease the carrot, even if he has no intention of give it to you.

 

[BobTheDuck]

Thank you, sometimes I get something right. I don't hate the rework, there is a number of things in it that I like more and we gained a lot and I praise it as well, I just can't help but be a little sad for what was lost as well. In the end I still think the net result is posit. About over editing I think you might be right about that.

I can see your point and I agree. My point is that it is a cut of a long sequence, if you look only at it Bella comes out as unhinged. When I look at the whole interaction her behavior makes much more sense to me, is it a behavior of a well adjusted person ? Arguably not. Is the behavior of a person I would consider crazy ? Not really. Bella prevented Nika from escalating the situation, asked repeatedly to be left alone and later gave a ultimato, a chance to the other person step away, I can't blame her for acting on it. Be trilled about it and showing a lack of regret are signal of something ? Maybe. I attribute it to a youthful recklessness than a sadistic trait. Although I think anyone on her place would get a little pleasure of out it, give a fuck you to a asshole can be addicted.

EDIT: Yeah, we may lock out and get some lewd action with Ayua or - god helps- the redhead. I just am not having high hopes for it. As you said, he likes to tease the carrot, even if he has no intention of give it to you.

Ahhh, you get a lot of things right in my opinion ....but I'm going to stick to it and insist: a hit and run is illegal in a lot of countries, a criminal act. Video games made it seem common place and a joke, but maximum accelration in a racing car is bullshit, intended to do damage. This is not a prank, but an attempt to injure. In a court of law, Bella would be the one who escalated it past words. An ultimatum like that wouldn't mitigate the fact that she knows what the consequences are. As a racer, she knows better than most how much accelerating can damage someone's spine. If the guy was hospitalised, do you think Ceril would remember whose car was in that parking lot?

There is no way to say that was a youthful prank, any more than breaking and entering was not illegal. Even if Bella is reckless, she is still culpable. She just had a big discussion about how Ceril would love to be the one who brings a Von Halen down, then she does this? The problem is more that Ocean has sanctified her character so she appears to be good, when she's so far the person responsible for initiating the two most illegal acts in the game.

 

[LHDLLB]

Ahhh, you get a lot of things right in my opinion ....but I'm going to stick to it and insist: a hit and run is illegal in a lot of countries, a criminal act. Video games made it seem common place and a joke, but maximum accelration in a racing car is bullshit, intended to do damage. This is not a prank, but an attempt to injure. In a court of law, Bella would be the one who escalated it past words. An ultimatum like that wouldn't mitigate the fact that she knows what the consequences are. As a racer, she knows better than most how much accelerating can damage someone's spine. If the guy was hospitalised, do you think Ceril would remember whose car was in that parking lot?

There is no way to say that was a youthful prank, any more than breaking and entering was not illegal. Even if Bella is reckless, she is still culpable. She just had a big discussion about how Ceril would love to be the one who brings a Von Halen down, then she does this? The problem is more that Ocean has sanctified her character so she appears to be good, when she's so far the person responsible for initiating the two most illegal acts in the game.

I did not meant to say that what Bella did was right or legal, it was not, just that in context her actions sounds much more reasonable than it does with out it. You make two points that I find interesting, the first one is that video games made those acts more common than they are, and I agree, but then is not SG a video game ? How much licenceie does Ocean have ? Sure, I get your general point but how much realism can we expected in this game ?

I will not pretend that I know physics enough, but also realistic, they were right in front of the car, even with a race car I am not sure that she could do much damage, or that she intended to cause any real harm. About breaking the house, this is the one that is a major red flag, that and the acusation of pedophilia with out any proof are much greater signals that Bella is not a balance person. I really don't see nothing "serious" in the hit and run scene. Maybe is just a matter of perceptive or difference in culture. I don't know. Just don't seem as big of a deal has the home invasion or even hack the phone of the poor woman in the bathroom or the ridiculous plan of using Vanessa as bait. Almost forgot reading her mothers patience notes.

The second is Ocean treatment of the character and that I agree, to some extent. We are given some choices to make Bella's life more difficult as well as guiding her to a more righteous path, I want to see how some of this paths play out and how Ocean deals with the Mila situation to judge if he is "protecting" her or not.

 

[BobTheDuck]

I did not meant to say that what Bella did was right or legal, it was not, just that in context her actions sounds much more reasonable than it does with out it. You make two points that I find interesting, the first one is that video games made those acts more common than they are, and I agree, but then is not SG a video game ? How much licenceie does Ocean have ? Sure, I get your general point but how much realism can we expected in this game ?

I will not pretend that I know physics enough, but also realistic, they were right in front of the car, even with a race car I am not sure that she could do much damage, or that she intended to cause any real harm. About breaking the house, this is the one that is a major red flag, that and the acusation of pedophilia with out any proof are much greater signals that Bella is not a balance person. I really don't see nothing "serious" in the hit and run scene. Maybe is just a matter of perceptive or difference in culture. I don't know. Just don't seem as big of a deal has the home invasion or even hack the phone of the poor woman in the bathroom or the ridiculous plan of using Vanessa as bait. Almost forgot reading her mothers patience notes.

The second is Ocean treatment of the character and that I agree, to some extent. We are given some choices to make Bella's life more difficult as well as guiding her to a more righteous path, I want to see how some of this paths play out and how Ocean deals with the Mila situation to judge if he is "protecting" her or not.

Of course, Ocean can have as much license as he wants, but when Nika says things like "actions have consequences" for something minor like an actual prank, how serious should consequences be? If Ocean ignores consequences for obvious illegal activities while there is a policewoman chasing Bella, it just weakens the writing. I prefer to imagine the consequences will build up, that there won't be the get out of jail free card drawn.

Regarding the distance and the acceleration, the intent Ocean shoes in the render, is lifting the guy off his feet, over the bonnet, and Bella keeps accelerating. does he slip to the side, or go over the top? We don't know. The side would be more believable. But if it was just a bump, he wouldn't be lifted onto the bonnet.

Even still, intent is there. Whether or not realistic, it's still criminal to intentionally hit someone with a car. As you say though, it is just another of the actions that are yet to see consequences for Bella. Meanwhile Nika wonders if Claire will suffer consequences for alcohol on the job...

Regards the second point, I believe Nika will have the choice with each path to help them with their trauma while they help him deal with his.

 

[LHDLLB]

Of course, Ocean can have as much license as he wants, but when Nika says things like "actions have consequences" for something minor like an actual prank, how serious should consequences be? If Ocean ignores consequences for obvious illegal activities while there is a policewoman chasing Bella, it just weakens the writing. I prefer to imagine the consequences will build up, that there won't be the get out of jail free card drawn.

Regarding the distance and the acceleration, the intent Ocean shoes in the render, is lifting the guy off his feet, over the bonnet, and Bella keeps accelerating. does he slip to the side, or go over the top? We don't know. The side would be more believable. But if it was just a bump, he wouldn't be lifted onto the bonnet.

Even still, intent is there. Whether or not realistic, it's still criminal to intentionally hit someone with a car. As you say though, it is just another of the actions that are yet to see consequences for Bella. Meanwhile Nika wonders if Claire will suffer consequences for alcohol on the job...

Regards the second point, I believe Nika will have the choice with each path to help them with their trauma while they help him deal with his.

So I was in a mood and took this as a excuse to do a little replay, and also see if I was remembering this scene right, having just replayed it, I can't really put that much weigh on it. I completely get you point, and I agree, but maybe I am the fucked up here, I don't see anything serious here. Sure, it is a crime, but I can't really see anything significant here. I agree with your overhaul argument that Bella was left out of the hook too many times, but in this particular scene I just can't fault her.

He falls to the side and do not seems hurt in any way. For the rest I fully agree, the game teases a lot of things, both story wise and lewdly. Actions have consequences, Bella's canon race, Nami's past. Nia fivesome, Vanessa femdom, Nami's foot fetish. Unfortunately it kinda goes to the too early to tell. They meet because Stephan has call up Bella to a meting, maybe he will try to blackmail her or something ? consequence to her actions could be more closer than we might think. We can only wait and see.

While replaying one thing pop up on my mind. Ceril is specifically targeting Bella for the ilegal racing and Bella thinks - maybe correctly- that it is because of Amber. The thing is, Bella is not the only rich kid racing. We know that Ayua is also another rich kid who is involved with it and we don't get even a suggestion that she is being target. Now she is being protected because she is a Zane ? Is Bella being target for being a Von Halen ? Both could be true, but if Ceril only wants the glorious of bring down a prestigious family name, why not going after both ? Sure, the Von Halen may be more prestigious but the Zanes are not a insignificant family.

 

[Ilhares]

Nami's past. Nia fivesome

Ok, I definitely missed something re:Nami, but Nia fivesome? What?

 

[LHDLLB]

Ok, I definitely missed something re:Nami, but Nia fivesome? What?

Nami asks you if you like her feet and is a obvious fetish flag. Nia thing is when you visit her. Nia is not playing fair.

 

[Ilhares]

Nami asks you if you like her feet and is a obvious fetish flag. Nia thing is when you visit her.

Well, I'll be damned. I already liked her, now she's moving up the ranks.

 

[LHDLLB]

Well, I'll be damned. I already liked her, now she's moving up the ranks.

Nia is lovely. Other LI that I did not care until she got her little time. Easy top 5 for me. Not long ago Ocean spoke about each girl dedicated fetish and although is very early to tell I think that exhibitionism is a very safe bet in Nia's route, maybe voyeurism as well. For other is more hard to tell. Vic maybe cuckqueen ? Zara maybe something with degrading ? I don't really think it fits neither character or tone of the story but maybe some fucked up cope mechanism because of her mother abuse ? Milla and Bella I don't have a clue.

 

[MagicMan753]

Nia is lovely. Other LI that I did not care until she got her little time. Easy top 5 for me. Not long ago Ocean spoke about each girl dedicated fetish and although is very early to tell I think that exhibitionism is a very safe bet in Nia's route, maybe voyeurism as well. For other is more hard to tell. Vic maybe cuckqueen ? Zara maybe something with degrading ? I don't really think it fits neither character or tone of the story but maybe some fucked up cope mechanism because of her mother abuse ? Milla and Bella I don't have a clue.

Yeah, Nia rose into my top 5 after her scene. Also every girl has 1-4 fetishes ocean said on discord, and matters more then dom/sub he said. The fetishes would change things not necessarily dom/sub aspects. So I am curious what they are for all the Li. I feel like nami has facesitting as one.

 

[LHDLLB]

Yeah, Nia rose into my top 5 after her scene. Also every girl has 1-4 fetishes ocean said on discord, and matters more then dom/sub he said. The fetishes would change things not necessarily dom/sub aspects. So I am curious what they are for all the Li. I feel like nami has facesitting as one.

That seems like a ridiculous amount of branching, so every girl has up to 4 fetishes plus one sub and dom path ? the fetishes are kinda easy to implement you either see the content or don't but the dom and sub routes are more difficult I think and the game has like 13 LIs already. I am too but we are a long way from that. I think that Nami might be one of most kinky ones, but we are counting facesitting as a fetish ? Seems more like a sex position to me, it plays into femdom but not necessarily I think.

 

[Ilhares]

I feel like nami has facesitting as one.

Seems more like a sex position to me, it plays into femdom but not necessarily I think.

You never know, after all, look at the discrete categories the 'hub has available. I think it's a very safe bet (despite reworks and the like) that she's still very much an incest fan. I can't support the foot thing, though, no matter how great she is. Not my kink, and I'll absolutely look at people funny when they say it's theirs.

Based on her general behavior, I wouldn't be surprised at all if she finds herself happiest in a threesome.

 

[LHDLLB]

You never know, after all, look at the discrete categories the 'hub has available. I think it's a very safe bet (despite reworks and the like) that she's still very much an incest fan. I can't support the foot thing, though, no matter how great she is. Not my kink, and I'll absolutely look at people funny when they say it's theirs.

Based on her general behavior, I wouldn't be surprised at all if she finds herself happiest in a threesome.

I mean, what really makes something a fetish ? Not a easy answer I think. I don't think that porn categories equals a fetish, does it ? We have to come to terms that there is not gonna be incest in SG or WiaB, Ocean will not even mention it as a joke, too much risk. Foot is not my thing either but I can live with it, like is fine, don't hate don't love it. Armpits are bit funny though but I don't wanna to kinkyshame anyone.

Nami ? threesome ? I really don't think so. The girl was eyeing Zara for the piggyback thing, and that was friendly. Don't think that Nami would be open to it. I still can not see how the Bella/Nami throuple can happen.

 

[MagicMan753]

That seems like a ridiculous amount of branching, so every girl has up to 4 fetishes plus one sub and dom path ? the fetishes are kinda easy to implement you either see the content or don't but the dom and sub routes are more difficult I think and the game has like 13 LIs already. I am too but we are a long way from that. I think that Nami might be one of most kinky ones, but we are counting facesitting as a fetish ? Seems more like a sex position to me, it plays into femdom but not necessarily I think.

I don't think it will be a ridiculous amount of branching. I think I might of worded it wrong, he said every Li has a little bit fo dom/sub, but he bigger differences are the Fetishes.

Fetishes would probably only matter in sexual scenes, so not too much branching, and with him saying every Li has a bit of dom/sub don't think those will make as huge of a difference, maybe just some small differences. Also I think Ocean said Vanessa will either be a dom or equals wirh MC.

Also I don't know what counts as a fetish to Ocean. I just speculated facesitting, cause Nami sits on your face at one point. But unsure if that is counted as a fetish or not.

 

[BobTheDuck]

So I was in a mood and took this as a excuse to do a little replay, and also see if I was remembering this scene right, having just replayed it, I can't really put that much weigh on it. I completely get you point, and I agree, but maybe I am the fucked up here, I don't see anything serious here. Sure, it is a crime, but I can't really see anything significant here. I agree with your overhaul argument that Bella was left out of the hook too many times, but in this particular scene I just can't fault her.

He falls to the side and do not seems hurt in any way. For the rest I fully agree, the game teases a lot of things, both story wise and lewdly. Actions have consequences, Bella's canon race, Nami's past. Nia fivesome, Vanessa femdom, Nami's foot fetish. Unfortunately it kinda goes to the too early to tell. They meet because Stephan has call up Bella to a meting, maybe he will try to blackmail her or something ? consequence to her actions could be more closer than we might think. We can only wait and see.

While replaying one thing pop up on my mind. Ceril is specifically targeting Bella for the ilegal racing and Bella thinks - maybe correctly- that it is because of Amber. The thing is, Bella is not the only rich kid racing. We know that Ayua is also another rich kid who is involved with it and we don't get even a suggestion that she is being target. Now she is being protected because she is a Zane ? Is Bella being target for being a Von Halen ? Both could be true, but if Ceril only wants the glorious of bring down a prestigious family name, why not going after both ? Sure, the Von Halen may be more prestigious but the Zanes are not a insignificant family.

Almost forgot a simple reply: I understand your point, and I don't think you're messed up for thinking it - Ocean has let both Bella and Nika off the hook so far. But a crime is a crime, regardless of justification. Bella knows it, and she knows Ceril is after her. Wisdom would say, "what if Ceril is still watching me? What if she's just around the corner?" Bella's lack of caution about her illegal habits makes it seem like they're nothing.

Regarding Ceril, she could simply be after Bella because of Melanie holding a grudge because Bella didn't allow herself to be bullied enough. Evil people are evil at times. Ceril might be a good cop, but the way she sniffs NIka makes her seem more of a villian and more unhinged than Bella. It could just be a personal grudge back from when Amber reported Melanie to the school - nothing about the prestige involved. But we also don't know who Bella's father is, so there's all kinds of potential reasons.

That seems like a ridiculous amount of branching, so every girl has up to 4 fetishes plus one sub and dom path ? the fetishes are kinda easy to implement you either see the content or don't but the dom and sub routes are more difficult I think and the game has like 13 LIs already. I am too but we are a long way from that. I think that Nami might be one of most kinky ones, but we are counting facesitting as a fetish ? Seems more like a sex position to me, it plays into femdom but not necessarily I think.

A fetish doesn't have to be super kinky. Like, Mila having a pee fetish or Scat fetish should 100% be optional, but if she has a headpatting fetish or a voyeur fetish, that wouldn't require extra renders, it'd just colour her lewd scenes differently to Vanessa. Vanessa's lewd scenes will likely 100% have a level of dominant talk, because that's part of her character even on the equal path she'd likely want to get the upperhand, but I'm sure any fetish specific thing will be optional to witness or not.

I guess what I'm suggesting is that some of the fetishes will just be part of a character's personality, and the more extreme ones (if there are) will likely be the optional renders, maybe extending a scene or maybe as an alternative scene. But seeing Ocean's already forced us to witness handholding in public, who knows how depraved it'll get???

 

[Zeniks1895]

Nami ? threesome ? I really don't think so. The girl was eyeing Zara for the piggyback thing, and that was friendly. Don't think that Nami would be open to it. I still can not see how the Bella/Nami throuple can happen.

Indeed, there's no way Nami would agree to a threesome.

Spoiler: Foursome on the other hand is a whole different matter.

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But seriously, I don't think she'd mind that kind of interaction. On the contrary, she'll be very much for it, if it's girls she "approves" of (like Victoria and Nia). She only becomes slightly more hostile if she starts to feel threatened by her rival. She's afraid that MC will "leave her in the rain" for a new fling like he did with Summer.