VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[LHDLLB]

This is mainly for RNasc4444, I was looking on discord because of the new Leia set of renders, and there was this little bit of a conversation - I've condensed out all the banter to just the relevant points:

Lovely Discorder XYZ: Ocean already said he won't add this kind of cheating in game
Just like you can't bang Maja if you're dating Vic



Lovely Discorder XYZ: Trust me, you did. I remember everything said regarding Maja probably.



Exciting times

I saw it too but still can not make sense of it. There is a route where you can fuck Maja, she will betray Vic, but still will not date you ? I find this so much worse.

 

[BobTheDuck]

I saw it too but still can not make sense of it. There is a route where you can fuck Maja, she will betray Vic, but still will not date you ? I find this so much worse.

I suspect there will be moments that things get out of control. It might be that Maja regrets and feels guilty afterwards and makes sure never to let anything happen again. We'll just have to see how it's implemented. There's a non zero chance that Maja could be a LI, just like there's a non zero chance for Ayua. Ocean did say there was a scene with Maja in the update. But Ocean's also adamant it's not a dating sim, so even in these cases, he's got a specific part of the story he'll tell by doing it.

More importantly, it shows that there is conflict planned via a cheating mechanism, that players have to take their choices seriously with the consequences.

 

[yossa999]

I suspect there will be moments that things get out of control. It might be that Maja regrets and feels guilty afterwards and makes sure never to let anything happen again. We'll just have to see how it's implemented. There's a non zero chance that Maja could be a LI, just like there's a non zero chance for Ayua. Ocean did say there was a scene with Maja in the update. But Ocean's also adamant it's not a dating sim, so even in these cases, he's got a specific part of the story he'll tell by doing it.

More importantly, it shows that there is conflict planned via a cheating mechanism, that players have to take their choices seriously with the consequences.

I thought Ocean made it pretty clear:
1) Vic is in love with the MC, even if he ignores her and snorting coke from coach Hill's ass.
2) Maja loves Vic and will always put her well-being above her own.
3) Even though Vic will come to terms with the fact that MC won't choose her, she will still be hurt by it.

It's not hard to add two and two, and conclude if Maja is LI or not.
But still, one can never rule out the possibility of drunken quickie and deep regrets and guilt trips afterwards.

 

[BobTheDuck]

I thought Ocean made it pretty clear:
1) Vic is in love with the MC, even if he ignores her and snorting coke from coach Hill's ass.
2) Maja loves Vic and will always put her well-being above her own.
3) Even though Vic will come to terms with the fact that MC won't choose her, she will still be hurt by it.

It's not hard to add two and two, and conclude if Maja is LI or not.
But still, one can never rule out the possibility of drunken quickie and deep regrets and guilt trips afterwards.

I mean when Ocean says there are grey zones, and you can be a man whore and date Vic and Mila, and there are cheating routes, who are we to say there won't be drunken quickies, or a series of locker room incidents?

 

[sorco2003]

I thought Ocean made it pretty clear:
1) Vic is in love with the MC, even if he ignores her and snorting coke from coach Hill's ass.
2) Maja loves Vic and will always put her well-being above her own.
3) Even though Vic will come to terms with the fact that MC won't choose her, she will still be hurt by it.

It's not hard to add two and two, and conclude if Maja is LI or not.
But still, one can never rule out the possibility of drunken quickie and deep regrets and guilt trips afterwards.

Wait a minute, Are you saying that Bob is on too much copium or that the morning coffee had lsd in it and made his brain fill with hope instead of common sense?

 

[LHDLLB]

I suspect there will be moments that things get out of control. It might be that Maja regrets and feels guilty afterwards and makes sure never to let anything happen again. We'll just have to see how it's implemented. There's a non zero chance that Maja could be a LI, just like there's a non zero chance for Ayua. Ocean did say there was a scene with Maja in the update. But Ocean's also adamant it's not a dating sim, so even in these cases, he's got a specific part of the story he'll tell by doing it.

More importantly, it shows that there is conflict planned via a cheating mechanism, that players have to take their choices seriously with the consequences.

I guess. Just that is such a shit situation, for the characters but also for the players. Just can't wrap my head around this idea, I would just not mak her lewadble.

I think that it was always clear that cheating was gonna be a part of the story. But in a different way than it is in WiaB. There cheating is central, here seems more like a spice to some paths.

what got me worried on this Discord conversarions was him saying that nothing was set in stone until the game was finished. Not that he needs it, but I am done with changes, if another major one happens I will be quiting the game.

 

[yossa999]

Are you saying that Bob is on too much copium

Yeah, but he's smuggling it for RNasc4444. It's the best way to keep the dude from running around the thread, yelling at everyone, "Ocean's cockgobblers, get your disgusting ugly waifus away from me, where's muh Maja, I want muh Maja!" Nobody wants that shit again. So yeah, a little bit of Bob's premium copium works like a charm.

 

[BobTheDuck]

Wait a minute, Are you saying that Bob is on too much copium or that the morning coffee had lsd in it and made his brain fill with hope instead of common sense?

You can always go read it for yourself, no need to take my word for it. When you add that to the previous devlog:

I fear the update might end up with 5000-8000 still renders. Yesterday, I checked, and this update has at least one scene for every relevant girl. (Yes, including Maja.)

I guess. Just that is such a shit situation, for the characters but also for the players. Just can't wrap my head around this idea, I would just not mak her lewadble.

I think that it was always clear that cheating was gonna be a part of the story. But in a different way than it is in WiaB. There cheating is central, here seems more like a spice to some paths.

what got me worried on this Discord conversarions was him saying that nothing was set in stone until the game was finished. Not that he needs it, but I am done with changes, if another major one happens I will be quiting the game.

Seeing we don't actually know what Ocean has planned for Seasons 2-6, how do you know they are changes?

Most likely, it's a side path, and you can ignore that content, just the same as you'd ignore content from other LI's to keep your preferred path safe or not. The proof is not in what Ocean says (as much as I want Maja LI content) but in what we play. We really have no benchmark to compare what Ocean intended (other than our mental head canon) for future events.

 

[LHDLLB]

You can always go read it for yourself, no need to take my word for it. When you add that to the previous devlog:





Seeing we don't actually know what Ocean has planned for Seasons 2-6, how do you know they are changes?

Most likely, it's a side path, and you can ignore that content, just the same as you'd ignore content from other LI's to keep your preferred path safe or not. The proof is not in what Ocean says (as much as I want Maja LI content) but in what we play. We really have no benchmark to compare what Ocean intended (other than our mental head canon) for future events.

I don't know. I am going by what he said. Nothing is set in stone until the game is finished.

 

[Ali ibn Hassan]

"where's muh Maja, I want muh Maja!"
So yeah, a little bit of Bob's premium copium works like a charm.

Fixed it for y'all

 

[Miranha157]

I saw it too but still can not make sense of it. There is a route where you can fuck Maja, she will betray Vic, but still will not date you ? I find this so much worse.

But I think Vic would be open to an open relationship, for me Zara or Mila would be against it.

 

[Miranha157]

I thought Ocean made it pretty clear:
1) Vic is in love with the MC, even if he ignores her and snorting coke from coach Hill's ass.
2) Maja loves Vic and will always put her well-being above her own.
3) Even though Vic will come to terms with the fact that MC won't choose her, she will still be hurt by it.

It's not hard to add two and two, and conclude if Maja is LI or not.
But still, one can never rule out the possibility of drunken quickie and deep regrets and guilt trips afterwards.

You guys are forgetting that Nika is a wimp, it won't happen quickly kkkkkkkkkkk

 

[LHDLLB]

But I think Vic would be open to an open relationship, for me Zara or Mila would be against it.

I never thought that Vic was the problem, Ocean has said that she is the one most compatible with throuples. Maja is the one who does not want it. I just find strange she not wanting to hurt Vic by dating Nika but still would fuck him, for me it is more selfish than if she also falled in love for Nika and made him choose.

 

[Ali ibn Hassan]

I thought Ocean made it pretty clear:
1) Vic is in love with the MC, even if he ignores her and snorting coke from coach Hill's ass.
2) Maja loves Vic and will always put her well-being above her own.
3) Even though Vic will come to terms with the fact that MC won't choose her, she will still be hurt by it.

It's not hard to add two and two, and conclude if Maja is LI or not.
But still, one can never rule out the possibility of drunken quickie and deep regrets and guilt trips afterwards.

Maja chippin' in with a helping hand in an assisted coitus, whipping Nika into shape and being a dear older sister to Vic

 

[Miranha157]

I never thought that Vic was the problem, Ocean has said that she is the one most compatible with throuples. Maja is the one who does not want it. I just find strange she not wanting to hurt Vic by dating Nika but still would fuck him, for me it is more selfish than if she also falled in love for Nika and made him choose.

Maybe it's from the branched route when Maja asks Nika for a favor, I remember that one of the options depended on her accepting to do a favor for him. Let's suppose that Nika charges for this sexual favor and Maja would have no option since Vic is above her priorities and a favor is a favor.

 

[LHDLLB]

Maybe it's from the branched route when Maja asks Nika for a favor, I remember that one of the options depended on her accepting to do a favor for him. Let's suppose that Nika charges for this sexual favor and Maja would have no option since Vic is above her priorities and a favor is a favor.

Yeah, don't think that the favor would be of the sexual kind, too close to blackmail. But I am curious to what it will be, if i remember correctly at some point Nika says to Bella that somebody owened him a favor that could help them.

 

[Pl@y3r]

I just find strange she not wanting to hurt Vic by dating Nika but still would fuck him, for me it is more selfish than if she also falled in love for Nika and made him choose.

I think Victoria would be devastated if Nika ever chose Maja (out of all the other girls) over her.

Maybe it's from the branched route when Maja asks Nika for a favor, I remember that one of the options depended on her accepting to do a favor for him. Let's suppose that Nika charges for this sexual favor and Maja would have no option since Vic is above her priorities and a favor is a favor.

Are you talking about the talk in Maja's car where she asks Nika to babysit Victoria? I remember 3 options: accept, decline and accept for a favor. Imagine being that kind of person to ask for sexual favors in such a case...

 

[yossa999]

Imagine being that kind of person to ask for sexual favors in such a case...

You don't even have to imagine this. This is the MC on the dark path. It was scrapped by Ocean during the rework and because of which the game was completely R-U-I-N-E-D.

 

[LHDLLB]

I think Victoria would be devastated if Nika ever chose Maja (out of all the other girls) over her.


Are you talking about the talk in Maja's car where she asks Nika to babysit Victoria? I remember 3 options: accept, decline and accept for a favor. Imagine being that kind of person to ask for sexual favors in such a case...

Yeah, but if he is just fucking Maja is better ? I like the idea of a one time thing but then as the player I also will not be satisfied, still better than nothing I guess.

That is not this type of story anymore, but you will get some MCs like that.

 

[Pl@y3r]

Yeah, but if he is just fucking Maja is better ?

I didn't say that. Whether as a LI or just lewdable, I'm sure it would hurt Victoria.

I like the idea of a one time thing but then as the player I also will not be satisfied, still better than nothing I guess.

I'd rather not have the option at all than just a one time thing with no plausible reason as to why not more?