It's optional yes, not canon and I doubt Nika will ask Maja for money or sexual favors considering Victoria's situation:
But he's on Bella's side. And after the barbershop visit, whether on her path or not, I consider Emilio at least neutral towards Nika if not an ally.
I'm only curious that a guy who is well informed didn't know who is Cyrus... Or MC...
To some extent I agree, but still consider - he was Leia's right hand in WiaB, he is now independant and has knuckle tattoos (from prison time?). If he knew Katie Zane is interested, would he be more or less wary of Nika? Katie currently is officially working with Leia, at least publicly non antagonistic. Emilio is independent insteant of a Zan employee - why did that change? Did leia fire him, did he reject the Zane modus? Essentially, Emilio is shown as a neutral, but is he pragmatically neutral (because he is powerless to affect the Zanes)? He's on Bella's side because he doesn't know who Nika is or might be, he's just a stray Bella's brought in. Until Desiree does the fact finding.
I mean I don't disagree but can we assume so much from Emillio ? Why you think he is operating as a interdependent ? The only thing we know is that he operates in the black market and trades information, who is to say that it not Leia still pulling the strings ?To some extent I agree, but still consider - he was Leia's right hand in WiaB, he is now independant and has knuckle tattoos (from prison time?). If he knew Katie Zane is interested, would he be more or less wary of Nika? Katie currently is officially working with Leia, at least publicly non antagonistic. Emilio is independent insteant of a Zan employee - why did that change? Did leia fire him, did he reject the Zane modus? Essentially, Emilio is shown as a neutral, but is he pragmatically neutral (because he is powerless to affect the Zanes)? He's on Bella's side because he doesn't know who Nika is or might be, he's just a stray Bella's brought in. Until Desiree does the fact finding.
This is all stuff yes to be uncovered, so I am rhetorical about it, also way too drunk to be more concise
Well, it could be many things, either a well-kept secret or Nika Cyrus is a character of no great importance or Nika does matter but the surname Cyrus is not because it is adopted. Generally, Ocean does not reveal the surnames of many characters for a very long time when we find out that Bella is Von Halen? I think it is only in the second half of the game. We even know what Nami's surname is ?, in the Wiki it says Cyrus but it is probably outdated, since they are not siblings, they probably cannot have the same surname, I do not remember it being mentioned even once during the game and on the bus card there is only her first name, as if Ocean did not want us to know her surname now
A few days have passed, a lot of things have happened. Desiree has done some research. I wonder how he will behave when we visit him again. I'm not entirely sure, but I think Nika is planning to visit him already on Sunday?To some extent I agree, but still consider - he was Leia's right hand in WiaB, he is now independant and has knuckle tattoos (from prison time?). If he knew Katie Zane is interested, would he be more or less wary of Nika? Katie currently is officially working with Leia, at least publicly non antagonistic. Emilio is independent insteant of a Zan employee - why did that change? Did leia fire him, did he reject the Zane modus? Essentially, Emilio is shown as a neutral, but is he pragmatically neutral (because he is powerless to affect the Zanes)? He's on Bella's side because he doesn't know who Nika is or might be, he's just a stray Bella's brought in. Until Desiree does the fact finding.
This is all stuff yes to be uncovered, so I am rhetorical about it, also way too drunk to be more concise
If the Zanes' intention was to hide Nika or Nami, they did very well, after all William disappeared for years and not even Dylan was able to track him down.
Do you blame him? I mean at this point are we even sure Ocean knows?
See this is the problem, Dylan isn't Uncle Joe. Dylan isn't inherently doing illegal things. Helen is keeping her family straight (until the fracture of William leaving), and Scarlet is married to Joe, not Helen. It's Joe that has the illegal activities, and most probably who Leia ended up identifying with, because Dylan and Helen are part of the reason she (maybe) lost Willi. Leia is closed to the rest of the household because they are the reason (assuming we know anything based on our unconfirmed headcanon based on the pre reworked version) Willi left.
Yeah, but understandable, Zanes had resources to hide him, or both. Willy was famous to find a empty pussy when he was young. But it could be Nami is there only to hide MC's identity (without knowing it)... Or it could be Ocean laughs his ass off from a fake profile on our conversations...
But Sasha's earring was given to her by Leia, the woman she described to Nika apparently matches Leia. That's what I keep saying, Nami must be the daughter of someone close to William, like Daphne or Monica. Leia must be somehow to blame for her parents' deaths, that's why she kind of takes care of Nami from afar, and if we think about that, it makes sense that Nojiko doesn't like the Zanes.
Let's think that everything changed, William's relationship with Joe, Katie's blackmail, the reason he was arrested. The only person who managed to track William down was Leia after years, but he claims to be a writer, right? So he published a book using the name or surname Zane, so it became easier to find him. Having a son who ran away from home, meeting Joe and wanting to ease my wife's (Helen) pain and because of everything Leia went through with not eating and becoming depressed, I would do anything to find my son (William), including using illegal means, which would be Joe.
Nika and Nami's origins are still unknown, but from what they mention about their memories with their parents, it seems that they are siblings or share a common parent. But anyway, out of everyone in town, why would Katie show up out of nowhere just when a student from her college shows up at her book club? After all, it's been a while since Katie Zane showed up. If he's not a Zane, he's the son of someone powerful that they're afraid of, or he's simply a renegade from the Zane family. Anyway, for me, it all comes back to the gang war. William or Leia got involved with someone on the other side of the war and since they couldn't be "together", the boy was given up for adoption. Maybe Nojiko delivered the baby. I don't know, man, I'm getting tired of walking on eggshells.
According to a guy on WiAB, surnames and ties don't matter, they won't change history.
I don't remember the sentence very well, but he doesn't mention that he (Nika) is similar to someone familiar, like not in appearance but damn I forgot the word, it's something similar to attitudes and character, the word really didn't come to mind.To some extent I agree, but still consider - he was Leia's right hand in WiaB, he is now independant and has knuckle tattoos (from prison time?). If he knew Katie Zane is interested, would he be more or less wary of Nika? Katie currently is officially working with Leia, at least publicly non antagonistic. Emilio is independent insteant of a Zan employee - why did that change? Did leia fire him, did he reject the Zane modus? Essentially, Emilio is shown as a neutral, but is he pragmatically neutral (because he is powerless to affect the Zanes)? He's on Bella's side because he doesn't know who Nika is or might be, he's just a stray Bella's brought in. Until Desiree does the fact finding.
This is all stuff yes to be uncovered, so I am rhetorical about it, also way too drunk to be more concise
I understand Yossa's perspective on this and he's entitled to feel like relationship and ties are not that important to a story. Or to this story in particular. I just vehemently disagree. What I take offense to is his notion that anyone who cares about these things is only in it for the disgusting incest angle.
Exactly, that must be frustrating for those who have been following the game since it was released before the remakes. I started last year and I'm already going crazy and upset that there is so little information and so many blank spaces, imagine you.
So: Nami's earring (still writing drunk, so apologies) could be a sign of Leia's protection. Nami could be the child of someone Leia felt resposnible for. How that happens? I don't know. It doesn't mean that Nami is defintiely related by blood to Leia, or, Nami is related to Sasha. Sasha is a Petrova, and only fan theories explain the earring. We haven't yet come to Ocean's reveal of that, and that has never existed in any form of the game. We make conjecture, and they are good conjectures, but there will at some point be a canon explanation. While SG is on patreon, any theory that involves incest is false, or SG dies. Simple.
Nah, he mentions "She reminds me of someone. Also, do abackground check on the boy." Desiree "Do you expect something?" "No, no, but you can never be too sure." It's Bella who reminds Emilio of someone, not Nika. But he knows Bella well from all the haircuts, so I assume just poor portentious writing there.
As much as I love theories, in this we agree. Dragging out the mystery to the point that it becomes boring doesn't serve the story. I suspect Ocean will reveal it when Nika next talks to Amber, and he talks about his and Nami's deal. We'll at least get some perspective. If OCean is truthful about every important girl getting a scene, Amber has a scene. It's probably a therapy session, and we'll get flashbacks and revelations. Maybe not enough, but more than now.
The LI list is fan made, not Ocean's official list. Yes, it's based on remarks Ocean has made, bt as I posted about Maja, (who has been listed as lewdable for a long time) Ocean is saying she's still on his lewdable list at least, and that cheating is a thing. That doesn't contradict the list, but the list is just a small sample of Ocean's statements collated and paraphrased. It's not gospel canon.
My post was about the dev's uncertainty regarding the LIs 'cause what I quoted are Ocean's words:The LI list is fan made, not Ocean's official list. Yes, it's based on remarks Ocean has made, bt as I posted about Maja, (who has been listed as lewdable for a long time) Ocean is saying she's still on his lewdable list at least, and that cheating is a thing. That doesn't contradict the list, but the list is just a small sample of Ocean's statements collated and paraphrased. It's not gospel canon.
If Ocean isn't laughing at me at least, I'll be so unhappy. I want to write to him to include "brains in parsley sauce" as a meal on his menu, because I once came across a microwave that had that setting - how to reheat brains in parsley sauce. Who even does that? Well, if it appears as an item, I guess he'll have read this post. If it doesn't we'll still wonder as much as we wonder about the Zan family tree.
I know the post, it's still paraphrased from lots of different posts. Right now Ocean's mentioned lewds about Maja, and cheating, but has that post been updated? Ocean has his list, which is not publicly available, because he won't do that anymore, so people have to treat all characters at potential LI's (or read the script for triggers which is a boring way to play a game).
