My post was about the dev's uncertainty regarding the LIs 'cause what I quoted are Ocean's words:The LI list is fan made, not Ocean's official list. Yes, it's based on remarks Ocean has made, bt as I posted about Maja, (who has been listed as lewdable for a long time) Ocean is saying she's still on his lewdable list at least, and that cheating is a thing. That doesn't contradict the list, but the list is just a small sample of Ocean's statements collated and paraphrased. It's not gospel canon.
If Ocean isn't laughing at me at least, I'll be so unhappy. I want to write to him to include "brains in parsley sauce" as a meal on his menu, because I once came across a microwave that had that setting - how to reheat brains in parsley sauce. Who even does that? Well, if it appears as an item, I guess he'll have read this post. If it doesn't we'll still wonder as much as we wonder about the Zan family tree.
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I know the post, it's still paraphrased from lots of different posts. Right now Ocean's mentioned lewds about Maja, and cheating, but has that post been updated? Ocean has his list, which is not publicly available, because he won't do that anymore, so people have to treat all characters at potential LI's (or read the script for triggers which is a boring way to play a game).
The fan collated list is not definitive.
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I'm saying something slightly different. I'm saying that in WiAB blood relationship between the characters is only needed for the sake of incest. I'm not saying that there shouldn't be any relationship between them.
But I also say that being biologically related doesn't add anything to the bond they have now. The Zanes are the people who raised him, cared for him, and loved him, and they're the only family he's ever known, even if Helen and Dylan are his guardians, not his parents.
Bob gave a great example - Noji. Noji is not Nika and Nami's biological mother, but they view her as a maternal figure, and she cares for them as if they were her own children. No biological relationship would make their current relationship any closer.
Sure, Nika and Nami are roommates and Noji is their asian landlady. I thought you knew.
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In the old WiAB, Dylan kind of fucked Miru a few days after she and WZ arrived. Not that it upset me much, the old Miru was meh...
But I mean, it's still a big question who's the cuckold there
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Not a problem to me, it's his perogative. He's allowed to surprise people if he wants, and that's why he now only makes ambiguous statements, such as talking about the kinds of fetishes Robin has: does that only mean she's lewdable, or a full LI? I think it's good to have red herrings - it means that the story feels more like choices matter (if all choices lead to good outcomes, choices don't matter). If it's good surprises on the whole, people will keep wanting more anyway, so I don't see the issue. Currently people want more LI's than Ocean is willing to provide if we go by the old list.
In fact, I'm not surprised that he started leaving it to himself, it's different when you make a game for 10 chapters and something else for over 30.
Some romances may look nice on paper but you get to the point when you create renders and write dialogues.
And suddenly it turns out that it doesn't fit and is not believable but you can't do anything because you're in the trap of making fanservice.
That's probably why Ocean is so confusing in the case of Elsa, he probably has doubts himself whether when it comes to creating it for real it will work, whether the circumstances in which Nika and Elsa start spending more time together and getting closer will look believable and there will be real chemistry between them or whether it will be artificial and unnatural done out of necessity because he once promised a romance with a model
Everything is possible as long as the game is not finished it's really the most sensible thing he can do with a project that is so long. Things he planned may turn out to be a real pain in the ass when it comes to finding a way to make them look good and on the contrary some relationships he didn't plan will just write themselves and all the renders will look fucking great, there will be natural chemistry between the characters and everything will look on point and super natural
Requiring the players to restart the game if the chosen girl leads to nowhere...
Except that the dev refuses to make it clear which is which.
Then he shouldn't make such promises. I'm not asking for specific paths, but the dev should make things clear from the start.
That's so easy to say...
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While I understand your point o view I can't fully agree with you. Not all paths are gonna be equally good and he should not aim at it. He also should feel free to change his mind, but something should be canon. Take the bar opening he already changed that, in the S1. Sure is a minor thing but if he does not take nothing as set in stone then why would I care ? He can't tell a story this way. Nobody can.
This is not me saying that he changes everything or it all for the bad. But as a mindset is a really dangerous one.
Who said I got such an ending? I was pointing out that in this VN you could pick a girl and hope for her path to open, because the dev refuses to say while other paths already opened.Next time, play better and avoid bad endings!
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Who said I mean you, it's a rule of thumb.
The developer has provided a world to explore. Since the game is unfinished, some content is missing. But that doesn't mean the developer has to immediately reveal all the secrets, plot twists, and explain what happened to Summer in advance. The player will eventually find out.
Like many other story-based AVNs, characters are introduced into the game timely, based on the story purpose. As opposed to the other approach, where you are given a list of possible LIs with their stats from the start. Personally, I can't stand that.
I didn't ask for any of that.
Then I guess cheating and break-ups will be a part of the story.
Of course, balance is indeed necessary, but let's not exaggerate in the other direction either. Ocean does not create a new fantasy universe, it does not need 5 thousand years of history including the old middle and new era and an atlas with maps presenting geopolitics and geography.
And finally, it is a visual erotic novel, it will not receive the Nobel Prize in Literature for the plot to WIAB and SG. Of course, when you write a story, you have to have a general plan and emphasized main points of the plot line that you want to tell. You cannot be as loose and blindly following inspiration as, for example, musicians like Jagger waking up in the morning after a few days of acid trip with ready lyrics for an album.
I just do not want him to bang his head against the wall dully, having to realize every smallest point like in a mathematical equation. For me the best parts of this game are the countless short moments we experience with other characters like Cheeto's silly sense of humor, Bella's banter, Sasha's rescue mission, and so on. Give me more of that along with the great atmosphere built by the music and the beautiful visuals and I'll be happy
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Season 2 - Chapter 1 Dev Log Link Archive
See also: WiAB Chapter 4 Dev Log Link Archive
So here you can find links to the devlog and preview images from Chapter 1 of Season 2. Note that its not me who posted these logs here, but the authors of the corresponding posts, and we are very grateful to them for this! I just collected all these links on one page. I will try to update it as new logs are posted here.
Warning! The links to the preview images may be outdated or disappear, depending on where the image is hosted. If you find such links, you can try to ask the user who posted the corresponding devlog to reupload these images, maybe they can help with this. I do not keep all these images, so I can't help with that.
See also: WiAB Chapter 4 Dev Log Link Archive
So here you can find links to the devlog and preview images from Chapter 1 of Season 2. Note that its not me who posted these logs here, but the authors of the corresponding posts, and we are very grateful to them for this! I just collected all these links on one page. I will try to update it as new logs are posted here.
Warning! The links to the preview images may be outdated or disappear, depending on where the image is hosted. If you find such links, you can try to ask the user who posted the corresponding devlog to reupload these images, maybe they can help with this. I do not keep all these images, so I can't help with that.
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Noji from all S02 CH01 Devlogs: https://f95zone.to/threads/summers-gone-s1-steam-dlc-oceanlab.29981/post-15545385
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Noji is hotter than Bella. fight me
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