BobTheDuck

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That's the problem.
Not a problem to me, it's his perogative. He's allowed to surprise people if he wants, and that's why he now only makes ambiguous statements, such as talking about the kinds of fetishes Robin has: does that only mean she's lewdable, or a full LI? I think it's good to have red herrings - it means that the story feels more like choices matter (if all choices lead to good outcomes, choices don't matter). If it's good surprises on the whole, people will keep wanting more anyway, so I don't see the issue. Currently people want more LI's than Ocean is willing to provide if we go by the old list.
 

dameromexxx

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That's the problem.
In fact, I'm not surprised that he started leaving it to himself, it's different when you make a game for 10 chapters and something else for over 30.
Some romances may look nice on paper but you get to the point when you create renders and write dialogues.

And suddenly it turns out that it doesn't fit and is not believable but you can't do anything because you're in the trap of making fanservice.

That's probably why Ocean is so confusing in the case of Elsa, he probably has doubts himself whether when it comes to creating it for real it will work, whether the circumstances in which Nika and Elsa start spending more time together and getting closer will look believable and there will be real chemistry between them or whether it will be artificial and unnatural done out of necessity because he once promised a romance with a model

Everything is possible as long as the game is not finished it's really the most sensible thing he can do with a project that is so long. Things he planned may turn out to be a real pain in the ass when it comes to finding a way to make them look good and on the contrary some relationships he didn't plan will just write themselves and all the renders will look fucking great, there will be natural chemistry between the characters and everything will look on point and super natural
 

Pl@y3r

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In the old WiAB
abandoned and reworked
He's allowed to surprise people if he wants
Requiring the players to restart the game if the chosen girl leads to nowhere...
it means that the story feels more like choices matter
Except that the dev refuses to make it clear which is which.
because he once promised a romance with a model
Then he shouldn't make such promises. I'm not asking for specific paths, but the dev should make things clear from the start.
Everything is possible as long as the game is not finished
That's so easy to say...
 
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LHDLLB

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In fact, I'm not surprised that he started leaving it to himself, it's different when you make a game for 10 chapters and something else for over 30.
Some romances may look nice on paper but you get to the point when you create renders and write dialogues.

And suddenly it turns out that it doesn't fit and is not believable but you can't do anything because you're in the trap of making fanservice.

That's probably why Ocean is so confusing in the case of Elsa, he probably has doubts himself whether when it comes to creating it for real it will work, whether the circumstances in which Nika and Elsa start spending more time together and getting closer will look believable and there will be real chemistry between them or whether it will be artificial and unnatural done out of necessity because he once promised a romance with a model

Everything is possible as long as the game is not finished it's really the most sensible thing he can do with a project that is so long. Things he planned may turn out to be a real pain in the ass when it comes to finding a way to make them look good and on the contrary some relationships he didn't plan will just write themselves and all the renders will look fucking great, there will be natural chemistry between the characters and everything will look on point and super natural
While I understand your point o view I can't fully agree with you. Not all paths are gonna be equally good and he should not aim at it. He also should feel free to change his mind, but something should be canon. Take the bar opening he already changed that, in the S1. Sure is a minor thing but if he does not take nothing as set in stone then why would I care ? He can't tell a story this way. Nobody can.

This is not me saying that he changes everything or it all for the bad. But as a mindset is a really dangerous one.
 

yossa999

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Who said I got such an ending? I was pointing out that in this VN you could pick a girl and hope for her path to open, because the dev refuses to say while other paths already opened.
Who said I mean you, it's a rule of thumb. :KEK:

The developer has provided a world to explore. Since the game is unfinished, some content is missing. But that doesn't mean the developer has to immediately reveal all the secrets, plot twists, and explain what happened to Summer in advance. The player will eventually find out.

Like many other story-based AVNs, characters are introduced into the game timely, based on the story purpose. As opposed to the other approach, where you are given a list of possible LIs with their stats from the start. Personally, I can't stand that.
 

Pl@y3r

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that doesn't mean the developer has to immediately reveal all the secrets, plot twists, and explain what happened to Summer in advance. The player will eventually find out.
I didn't ask for any of that.
Like many other story-based AVNs, characters are introduced into the game timely, based on the story purpose. As opposed to the other approach, where you are given a list of possible LIs with their stats from the start. Personally, I can't stand that.
Then I guess cheating and break-ups will be a part of the story.
 

dameromexxx

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While I understand your point o view I can't fully agree with you. Not all paths are gonna be equally good and he should not aim at it. He also should feel free to change his mind, but something should be canon. Take the bar opening he already changed that, in the S1. Sure is a minor thing but if he does not take nothing as set in stone then why would I care ? He can't tell a story this way. Nobody can.

This is not me saying that he changes everything or it all for the bad. But as a mindset is a really dangerous one.
Of course, balance is indeed necessary, but let's not exaggerate in the other direction either. Ocean does not create a new fantasy universe, it does not need 5 thousand years of history including the old middle and new era and an atlas with maps presenting geopolitics and geography.

And finally, it is a visual erotic novel, it will not receive the Nobel Prize in Literature for the plot to WIAB and SG. Of course, when you write a story, you have to have a general plan and emphasized main points of the plot line that you want to tell. You cannot be as loose and blindly following inspiration as, for example, musicians like Jagger waking up in the morning after a few days of acid trip with ready lyrics for an album.

I just do not want him to bang his head against the wall dully, having to realize every smallest point like in a mathematical equation. For me the best parts of this game are the countless short moments we experience with other characters like Cheeto's silly sense of humor, Bella's banter, Sasha's rescue mission, and so on. Give me more of that along with the great atmosphere built by the music and the beautiful visuals and I'll be happy
 
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Season 2 - Chapter 1 Dev Log Link Archive

See also: WiAB Chapter 4 Dev Log Link Archive

So here you can find links to the devlog and preview images from Chapter 1 of Season 2. Note that its not me who posted these logs here, but the authors of the corresponding posts, and we are very grateful to them for this! I just collected all these links on one page. I will try to update it as new logs are posted here.

Warning! The links to the preview images may be outdated or disappear, depending on where the image is hosted. If you find such links, you can try to ask the user who posted the corresponding devlog to reupload these images, maybe they can help with this. I do not keep all these images, so I can't help with that.
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2025-01-03 | Dev Log #22 | Previews: Sonya, Ayua, Sasha, Nancy and others, Zara
2024-12-19 | Dev Log #21 | Previews: Robin, Zara 1, Zara 2, Sonya, Bella and Nadia
Progress update: 3750 renders.
2024-12-05 | Dev Log #20 | Previews: Marla and others, Noji
2024-11-15 | Dev Log #19 | Previews: Kate, Nami, Vic, Sonya, Nadia and Robin 1, Kate, Nami, Vic, Sonya, Nadia and Robin 2
2024-11-02 | Dev Log #18 | Previews: Bella: Seraphic Decay, Sasha: Veiled Whispers, Robin: Voidseeker, Bella Treat 1, Bella Treat 9
2024-10-17 | Dev Log #17 | Previews: MC and Nami in jacuzzi, Nia, Katie
Progress update: 2000 renders.
Estimate: 6000-7000 renders.
2024-10-03 | Dev Log #16 | Previews: Vic 1, Vic 2, Vic and Redhead
2024-09-19 | Dev Log #15 | Previews: Noji 1, Noji 2, Shadow Figures, Robin
2024-09-04 | Dev Log #14 | Previews: Ayua, Kate
2024-08-22 | Dev Log #13 | Previews: Miru Blender, Elsa, Mila 1, Mila 2, Zara
2024-08-07 | Dev Log #12 | Previews: Eva vs Elsa, Bella 1, Bella 2, Sonya
2024-07-25 | Dev Log #11 | Previews: Bella 1, Bella 2, Bella 3
2024-07-10 | Dev Log #10 | Previews: Nami 1, Nami 2, Sasha 1, Sasha 2, Sasha 3
2024-06-27 | Dev Log #9 | Previews: Vanessa, Zara 1, Zara 2, Mila 1, Mila 2
Estimate: 5000-8000 renders
2024-06-12 | Dev Log #8 | Previews: Noji 1, Noji 2, Noji 3, Bella
Estimate: "I will only say that S2 - Chapter 1 is planned to be released this year."
2024-05-30 | Dev Log #7 | Previews: Marla, Ayua, Ayua, Sonya, Art class, Sasha and others
2024-05-15 | Dev Log #6 | Previews: Nia 1, Nia 2, Zara, New UI 1, New UI 2
2024-05-01 | Dev Log #5 | Previews: Sonya Treat, Sasha Treat, Robin Treat, Amber Treat, Nami, Zara, MC, Zara, Nadia
2024-04-17 | Dev Log #4 | Previews: New UI: Main Menu, New UI: Gallery, New UI: Load/Save Page, New UI: Options, New UI: Short Stories 1, New UI: Short Stories 2, MC, Nadia, Nadia
2024-01-24 | Dev Log #3 | Previews: Mila, Nami 1, Nami 2
2023-12-30 | Dev Log #2.5 | Previews: CH5: Nami 1, CH5: Nami 2, CH5: Nami 3, S1: Nami 1, S1: Nami 2, S1: Nami 3
2023-12-13 | Dev Log #2 | Previews: S1: Vic Treat, CH5: Bella, S1: Bella
2023-11-29 | Dev Log #1 | Previews: Noji, CH5: Bella 1, CH5: Bella 2, CH5: Bella 3, S1: Bella 1, S1: Bella 2, S1: Bella 3, S1: Bella 4, S1: Bella 5, CH5: Mila, S1: Mila, CH5: Nami, Noji, CH5: Nami, S1: Nami, S1: Noji 1, S1: Noji 2
2023-11-16 | Dev Log #0 | Previews: Zara Blender, Zara 1, Zara 2, Mila
 
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hermit_tr

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Does anyone know where I can download the old SG version? The one where Marla used a gun kkkkk
Finally finished completing the SG collection for each chapter (Final/Full). :geek:
For those who are interested in collecting (as a memory of SG's journey), this is the location where you can download it (compressed version):

Ch. 1a, page 11, compressed by CLDꝜ.
Ch. 2 Final, page 39, compressed by Hones.
Ch. 3 Full, page 152, compressed by JokerLeader.
Ch. 3.5 Full, page 410, compressed by JokerLeader.
Ch. 4 Full, page 752, compressed by FAP369ZONE.
Ch. 4.5 Full, page 890, compressed by FAP369ZONE.
Ch. 5 Beta, page 1338, compressed by SonsOLiberty.
Ch. 5 S1 Steam, page 1780, compressed by SonsOLiberty. compatible with Music Restoration Mod
Ch. 5 S1 Steam Update 1, page 1853, compressed by SonsOLiberty.
Ch. 5 S1 The Uncut Edition [V1.0] Mods by alain8891
:geek::geek::geek:


edit : "Showing 20 posts per page". There may be differences in the pages listed due to moderator cleanup.
-add ch 5 steam
-add ch 5 steam update
-add the uncut edition
Try ch 4 or ch 4.5
 
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mruggeri2

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If the Zanes' intention was to hide Nika or Nami, they did very well, after all William disappeared for years and not even Dylan was able to track him down.
I mean, can we really say that William "disappeared"? He literally just skipped town. I think it's more like Helen and Leia were too hurt by him leaving to go look for him than they not being able to find him. I mean, when Leia needed to reach him, it literally took a single phone call lol
 
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