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BobTheDuck

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Bar opening is not like chapter 2 ? That is not soon, but is a smart idea.
Game(s): Leia has a club that'll feature in WiaB, Nika and Nami drank beer with labels, and Nami jokes about Nika buying a flask of Katie's Sky (I guess like there was shots of Bella's Wrath and Mila's Venom in old WiaB). These don't have to be cocktails. Snacks can imply candy bars, energy bars at the gym, any kind of food that needs a label. Some one could corner the name on a pizza, or a can of spam I guess. Ocean will continue to avoid using obvious trademarks.

Is Summer related to the Zanes somehow?

Hear me out: We know that Nika and Nami has this 'bibi' joke going on, right? But it's shown in Chapter 1 that this was actually brought to them by Summer. The thing is, I'm playing WIAB right now - which its supposed to be quite a few years before SG - and it's said that 'bibi' is a word that was created by William, Leia and Katie during their childhood. So, if its a made-up word by them, how does Summer knows it?

I know it's a small detail but, is it a valid theory or Ocean just wanted an excuse to put the 'bibi' thing in SG too and it's not really something relevant to the plot?
It is a very valid theory. keep in mind that Leia started calling her new employees bibi's though. Summer's mom could be one of the working girls who became a gold digger. That could explain it also. I prefer the idea that Summer is connected to the Zanes than Nika is personally. But it still could be both. Nika was brought up by Noji from age 3, so wouldn't necessarily remember much earlier. His memory of his mom reading to him about the universe (that he tells Vic or Mila when walking at night) is pretty hazy which supports that - the bibi word might not have made an impression yet.
 

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Is Summer related to the Zanes somehow?
The thing is, I'm playing WIAB right now
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First of all, welcome to the Oceanverse shitshow! Glad to have you here! Hope you enjoy your stay :Kappa:
Secondly, I would...huh...wait until the next chapter of WiAb releases before delving into that or any other theory involving the Zanes.

That said, yes, your theory is a possibility that thousands of people have already considered. I'm still somewhat convinced Summer is Leia's daughter. However both games have been going through very meaningful changes since their inception. Therefore it would be unwise, at this point, to consider anyone outside of Ayua and Katie a Zane.
 

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First of all, welcome to the Oceanverse shitshow! Glad to have you here! Hope you enjoy your stay :Kappa:
Secondly, I would...huh...wait until the next chapter of WiAb releases before delving into that or any other theory involving the Zanes.

That said, yes, your theory is a possibility that thousands of people have already considered. I'm still somewhat convinced Summer is Leia's daughter. However both games have been going through very meaningful changes since their inception. Therefore it would be unwise, at this point, to consider anyone outside of Ayua and Katie a Zane.

I like you, let's theorize. If Summer is Leia's daughter, can we say that Nika is the son of some Revera? After all, Summer's parents didn't want her with Nika, but there's the issue of Nami's earring, what do you think?

I have a theory that Nika is the son of Leia with William and Nami with Monica or Daphne, and since one of them was murdered during the war between the Zanes and Dragon or that gang with the Russian name (I can't remember). Reinforcing Leia feels guilty so for that reason she always kept an eye on Nami and even gave her one of her earrings or maybe it's just bullshit, I stopped theorizing because it only leads to a dead end.
 
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Game(s): Leia has a club that'll feature in WiaB, Nika and Nami drank beer with labels, and Nami jokes about Nika buying a flask of Katie's Sky (I guess like there was shots of Bella's Wrath and Mila's Venom in old WiaB). These don't have to be cocktails. Snacks can imply candy bars, energy bars at the gym, any kind of food that needs a label. Some one could corner the name on a pizza, or a can of spam I guess. Ocean will continue to avoid using obvious trademarks.



It is a very valid theory. keep in mind that Leia started calling her new employees bibi's though. Summer's mom could be one of the working girls who became a gold digger. That could explain it also. I prefer the idea that Summer is connected to the Zanes than Nika is personally. But it still could be both. Nika was brought up by Noji from age 3, so wouldn't necessarily remember much earlier. His memory of his mom reading to him about the universe (that he tells Vic or Mila when walking at night) is pretty hazy which supports that - the bibi word might not have made an impression yet.
Yeah I got it, is a good idea from Ocean's part but is probably the least effected way to marketing your product. Is nice if he founds someone who is willing but I can't say that I can understand the reasoning as to why anyone would want their food product on a porn game. That said,. if he could do this sort of thing with a sex shop or the like I can see it working better.


You are right about the girls working for Leia, but not even Emilio knows what bibi means, so if one knows is almost a grantee that she will have some role in the story.

:HideThePain:

First of all, welcome to the Oceanverse shitshow! Glad to have you here! Hope you enjoy your stay :Kappa:
Secondly, I would...huh...wait until the next chapter of WiAb releases before delving into that or any other theory involving the Zanes.

That said, yes, your theory is a possibility that thousands of people have already considered. I'm still somewhat convinced Summer is Leia's daughter. However both games have been going through very meaningful changes since their inception. Therefore it would be unwise, at this point, to consider anyone outside of Ayua and Katie a Zane.
Is a good theory and you are right about the Zanes. But I want Summer gone from any plot point that is not related to Nika. If Summer is the knot that tight the stories I will be disappointed. It does not necessary makes it bad though.
 
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I like you, let's theorize. If Summer is Leia's daughter, can we say that Nikka is the son of some Revera? After all, Summer's parents didn't want her with Nikka, but there's the issue of Nami's earring, what do you think?

I have a theory that Nikka is the son of Leia with William and Nami with Monica or Daphne, and since one of them was murdered during the war between the Zanes and Dragon or that gang with the Russian name (I can't remember). Reinforcing Leia feels guilty so for that reason she always kept an eye on Nami and even gave her one of her earrings or maybe it's just bullshit, I stopped theorizing because it only leads to a dead end.
Aren't William and Leia supposed to be twins though?

This is what I'm kinda confused about. What is the deal with this family? Is this really just full-on an incest fest or are they not actually related to each other? Because William and Leia call Helen and Dylan by their names, but aren't they supposed to be their mother and father?

Is this part of the rework and the relationships are all kinda vague now?
 
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I like you, let's theorize. If Summer is Leia's daughter, can we say that Nikka is the son of some Revera? After all, Summer's parents didn't want her with Nikka, but there's the issue of Nami's earring, what do you think?

I have a theory that Nikka is the son of Leia with William and Nami with Monica or Daphne, and since one of them was murdered during the war between the Zanes and Dragon or that gang with the Russian name (I can't remember). Reinforcing Leia feels guilty so for that reason she always kept an eye on Nami and even gave her one of her earrings or maybe it's just bullshit, I stopped theorizing because it only leads to a dead end.
Nika might be a Zane but I don't think he will be Leia and William, though I can see the appeal. Revera also is a odd choice but not a impossible one. If there is a mystery lineage to Nika the only that makes sense to me is either the Zanes or he is related to WiaB antagonist. Nami being William's is not a impossible one either but really difficult to say with the changes that may or may not be made with the next update. As RNas444 said any theorizing over who is or is not a Zane is pointless until we know what Ocean will do.
 

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Aren't William and Leia supposed to be twins though?

This is what I'm kinda confused about. What is the deal with this family? Is this really just full-on an incest fest or are they not actually related to each other? Because William and Leia call Helen and Dylan by their names, but aren't they supposed to be their mother and father?

Is this part of the rework and the relationships are all kinda vague now?

Back in the day, before Patreon's policy took down WIAB, the story was simple

Leia and William were twins, Katie was their sister, Dylan and Helen were their parents. Leia and William were in love. Katie cheated on them and one fine night William decided to leave. You already know the rest.

But after WIAB fell and the reworks came, our dear Ocean changed the narrative to preserve SG's Patreon and its income. Some say that Leia, William and Katie are not siblings. I still like the idea that they are siblings, with or without changes. I will follow this reasoning.
 

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Nika might be a Zane but I don't think he will be Leia and William, though I can see the appeal. Revera also is a odd choice but not a impossible one. If there is a mystery lineage to Nika the only that makes sense to me is either the Zanes or he is related to WiaB antagonist. Nami being William's is not a impossible one either but really difficult to say with the changes that may or may not be made with the next update. As RNas444 said any theorizing over who is or is not a Zane is pointless until we know what Ocean will do.
I follow the line of Nami being William's daughter only in the case of Daphne being her mother, but if it is Monica's I would say it is with her boyfriend and now let's get into my theory, for some reason Monica decided to help Leia and William find out what happened to Helen and well whoever took Helen's voice ordered the couple (Monica and her boyfriend) to be killed, let's consider it a burning of files and left Nami an orphan, Leia felt guilty and gave her to be raised with Nojiko.
 

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Aren't William and Leia supposed to be twins though?

This is what I'm kinda confused about. What is the deal with this family? Is this really just full-on an incest fest or are they not actually related to each other? Because William and Leia call Helen and Dylan by their names, but aren't they supposed to be their mother and father?

Is this part of the rework and the relationships are all kinda vague now?
The answer to it is yes to all questions. Best not to think about it too much is what we are telling. Wait to the next chapter where - maybe- it will all make sense.
 

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I follow the line of Nami being William's daughter only in the case of Daphne being her mother, but if it is Monica's I would say it is with her boyfriend and now let's get into my theory, for some reason Monica decided to help Leia and William find out what happened to Helen and well whoever took Helen's voice ordered the couple (Monica and her boyfriend) to be killed, let's consider it a burning of files and left Nami an orphan, Leia felt guilty and gave her to be raised with Nojiko.
Do you really think that Leia is the type that feels guilty ? And for the daughter of Mon, the she does not recognize as people ? I think - or hope- that Leia's route is about William being corrupted not Leia being save.
 

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Do you really think that Leia is the type that feels guilty ? And for the daughter of Mon, the she does not recognize as people ? I think - or hope- that Leia's route is about William being corrupted not Leia being save.
People change in difficult times, Leia may be an iceberg but she would never let an orphan suffer even if she is Monica's daughter.
 

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Summer's Gone - Season 2 - Chapter 1 - Dev Log #22
Hello,

The first dev log of the year.

Warning! This is a long-ass dev log.

You can skip the workstation and 'Why I don't hire another artist' section if you don't want to read a summary of how we got here. Taxes and other behind-the-scenes stuff are also mentioned.

I feel like writing a little more today, as this is my only real outlet for what's happening behind the scenes.

  1. Workstation
In late December, I posted on Discord that my B2B vendor and I had finalized the Workstation. However, I made a late change by downgrading the CPU, so the contract had to be redone. That was on the 24th.

He told me he would be back in office in the early days of January.

I've been discussing this workstation for a year, and it's almost time. I will be fully transparent about the Workstation specs and its price. This wouldn't have been possible without the support you guys have given me. (Steam had to do some heavy lifting because I had to prepay the 2023 taxes in full last June.

Under normal circumstances, I would've had to pay them in late 2025, but the gov didn't like how I handled it. So, last year was a financial challenge.

But now that 2023 is already paid, 2025 will be a lot more chill, as I won't have to pay 2024 until 2026.

And with 2022 paid a few weeks ago, I have so much more freedom now.

This means that all the talk about taxes and workstations will soon stop.

Bottleneck
I think it's useless to upgrade your PC to a faster one if your PC outperforms you. If you can't set up more scenes a day than it can render a night. Don't upgrade for speed.

(VRAM updates are always awesome.)

But for a long time now, I have constantly outperformed my current Workstation.

I haven't turned on my other old PC in a while because it can't handle the scenes.

With the new workstation, I will be the bottleneck again.

Now, let me talk about a topic I see come up a lot, but I haven't spoken about it in a log yet.

"Why don't you just hire someone to help you with the art?"
I hear this quite frequently... Okay. Let me tell you why.

Step 1
How many other Daz artists do you know who can produce my quality, style, and composition AND want to work for someone else?

Step 2
Now, can I trust this person?

I would need to buy them a system that costs thousands, if not five digits, so he can render scenes with 15-30 characters without losing all the quality, thanks to insane optimization.

If he's a Daz artist, he might already have a good PC, but a 4090 isn't enough to handle some of the scenes.

Step 3
Now, I have to pay this person, and someone who matches me in quality and style isn't going to work for a few hundred bucks a month. It will most likely cost me easily 50% of my support.

Step 4
I've been burned by external help before- not once, not twice, but three times. After months of excuses and being ghosted, I did it myself again.

Instead of working 100% of the time, I will have to manage someone. What if his art isn't what I want it to look like?

What if I envisioned it like this or that? What if the expressions are off? "You want me to show you how I do this or that..."

Revisions after revision could be happening.

To finalize my reasons.

I don't want to rely on others when I make the game. I don't want to spend time managing people. I don't even know if there's an artist like me in Daz. (There are other very talented artists, but we all have different styles.)

I can't even remotely afford it.

But the most significant factor is that you would feel and probably see a substantial shift in the game.

It would feel like a cute bakery shop was bought up by a bigger corp, and suddenly everything tastes a little different. It's not as moody and vibrant anymore. Something seems off.

You would immediately see it in the expressions of the characters.

Don't forget the additional work for my tax office and, most likely, more bureaucracy.

I have no issue hiring coders, UI designers, postwork boys, environment creators, and all those other things that I don't like doing and take weeks to months of my time.

But the writing, the art, and the animations are something that only I will ever do while I work with Daz. That's where my passion lies. I'm absolutely addicted to it.

While I do earn money with SG, I don't view it as a business product. You don't see me do marketing campaigns because all I want to do is write, create art, and become even better at all these things while trying to stay financially stable and eventually be able to afford a child.

I understand that everyone wants updates as quickly as possible, but I won't slap a sticker on SG that says, "New recipe!" just to get it out quicker.

If I'd do that, It wouldn't taste the same.

Thankfully, I have reached an insane level of productivity while maintaining and improving the quality of the art. And with the new workstation, I'll push that envelope even further.

It might've been a mistake to make an update three times the size of my usual updates, because now the insane jump in productivity doesn't show. I'm almost at a point where I would've finished Chapter 5 twice since I started working on S2 in June. (And that's not the only renders I do.)

My closing thoughts on it... While working with DAZ, I will never be able to get help.

However, that might change with Blender, especially in the environmental design department. In Blender, I'm a small bibi fish.

There's so much to learn from absolute titans of the 3D industry... And it excites me so much.

The Workstation specs.
CPU: AMD Threadripper PRO 7985WX

Cooler: Liquid Thermal Solution | Alphacool Eisbaer Pro Aurora 420 CPU AIO

Case: Fractal Design Define 7 XL

Power: Super Flower Leadex 80Plus Platinum | 2000W (Can power 4 A6000s ADA)

Motherboard: ASUS | Socket sTR5 | Pro WS WRX90E-SAGE SE | E-ATX (Can fit 4 ADAs)

RAM: DDR5 5600 ECC Reg. 32GB | Micron | 2R x8 (From 128GB DDR4 to 256GB DDR5)

SSD: 2x NVMe Standard | M.2 | Samsung 990 Pro | 2TB | 0.33 DWPD | PCIe 4.0

Another 1x 8TB Sata for all the 3D Assets.

1x VGA NVIDIA RTX 6000 ADA | 48GB | PCIe 4.0 (I then have 3 ADAs in total.)

I downgraded the CPU from a Threadripper PRO 7995WX to a 7985WX. However, it still supports the 128 PCIE lanes I need for the GPUs. While the CPU isn't that important in Daz directly, it will be crucial for simulations in Blender and Houdini.

My current CPU one only supports 16 or 32 PCIE lanes. I know that one of my A6000s doesn't run at 100%.

Price ~21.000€ to 23.000€ (including tax).

I managed to get the leasing company to drop the upfront payment, and I'll be paying ~ 550 to 600€ a month for it. (With a bigger payment at the end if I want to keep the Workstation after leasing. I plan to do that.)

Add the two A6000 Adas I already have, and I have active business leasing of around 1000€ a month.

As the workstation will only be used for work, I can deduct it as a business expense. The leasing helps a lot there.

I will make another small post about it when I have signed the contract and when it arrives.

The next upgrade would be a dedicated animation PC. But for that, I wanna wait for the new Nvidia 5000 series. Speed is more important there. So, that upgrade might be done by the end of 2025 (early 2026).

But it all that doesn't matter right now. We'll check them out when they release.

This might become the longest dev log I've ever made...

Earlier today, I published a post where people can submit their own signature drink/food for SG.

Characters in the games can and will order them on occasion. (Also judge them.)

Here's an example of how it looks:
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Cocktails. (Some characters in game can also earn their own signature drink.)

Messe created it, and I thought, why not let some supporters get their own creations in, too.

Here's how it looks for the Divine Serpent:
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Maybe you can 'Chase the Sunset' with the Signature drink: "Tonalu Sunset" ;)

The post can be found here:

Season 2 - Chapter 1
The holidays were around, and I took it easier during these days. However, I did work through New Year's Eve.

Now, it's 110% again.

As soon as I have the workstation, I will note down the daily render output for a while to see what is possible. I will do it healthily because long-term performance matters more than a few weeks of insane productivity.

Previews. 4K attached

Sonya again.
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I was like... Do you know who we haven't seen in a while... Nancy.
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Oh yeah... Ayua is also doing... something.

Following up on the last Log's Zara preview:
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That's me how I look at 12h workdays. (Not kidding.)

I made some nice renders in the past two days that I really liked. It's in the same scene as the one with Sonya. I had added a little more to it and finished it yesterday.

It's time to fix my sleep schedule so that I can ruin it again in two weeks when hyperfocus hits and I can't stop working.

Hopefully, I'll see you in two weeks with a powerful new Workstation by my side.



Happy New Year, lads!

Ocean
 

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Yeah I got it, is a good idea from Ocean's part but is probably the least effected way to marketing your product. Is nice if he founds someone who is willing but I can't say that I can understand the reasoning as to why anyone would want their food product on a porn game. That said,. if he could do this sort of thing with a sex shop or the like I can see it working better.


You are right about the girls working for Leia, but not even Emilio knows what bibi means, so if one knows is almost a grantee that she will have some role in the story.



Is a good theory and you are right about the Zanes. But I want Summer gone from any plot point that is not related to Nika. If Summer is the knot that tight the stories I will be disappointed. It does not necessary makes it bad though.
Oh no you get me wrong - it is just a way to link the subs closer. RPGs do it a lot with cemetaries - headstones with little personalised quotes for backers etc. Something of an in joke. I don't think Ocean is interested in the legal issues of selling out product placement - he has enough difficulties because of ToS without getting the game tied up in legal knots over branded spam. I think it's just a way to involv his subs more.

What I was really meaning is that there's heaps of places he could place names, like Stefan's burgers could be named: Bob's Fried Duck Burger has a(n onion) ring to it maybe? Nah.

We've seen renders of Riri, I'm sure there will be more. If Ocean is already talking about a gentleman's club style of thing in SG, chances are we'll see some other person running it for Leia, seeing Emilio has gone independent. Maybe Desiree was one of Leia's girls too? Maybe there's a reason Emilio has tatts, from prison time? Setting up he's own space after seeing what working for the Zane's did for him?

Yeah, Summer as a memory/flashback (y)

Aren't William and Leia supposed to be twins though?

This is what I'm kinda confused about. What is the deal with this family? Is this really just full-on an incest fest or are they not actually related to each other? Because William and Leia call Helen and Dylan by their names, but aren't they supposed to be their mother and father?

Is this part of the rework and the relationships are all kinda vague now?
There is no incest allowed by patreon. SG is fully compliant with patreon's ToS, which means that there is nothing that has a whiff of incest allowed. Ocean hasn't stated anything about how the Zane family relations play out in the remake, everyone is just making assumptions (as we do) about what we saw in the abandoned old versions of both games. We have to wait to see what Ocean does. He might not even clear it up in the next releases, but the longer he leaves it unclear, the harder it is to follow some plots/paths sensibly.

Nika might be a Zane but I don't think he will be Leia and William, though I can see the appeal. Revera also is a odd choice but not a impossible one. If there is a mystery lineage to Nika the only that makes sense to me is either the Zanes or he is related to WiaB antagonist. Nami being William's is not a impossible one either but really difficult to say with the changes that may or may not be made with the next update. As RNas444 said any theorizing over who is or is not a Zane is pointless until we know what Ocean will do.
It gets complicated fast - Molly could be Donna's sister and Aziz is Nika's cousin. Donna might not be a Revera but a Cyrus. We're guessing based on info that's not canon at this point. I can certainly see the appeal of Nika being disowned from the clan because Leia is vindictive about William's wild oats. But again, this is just fanfic territory currently.

People change in difficult times, Leia may be an iceberg but she would never let an orphan suffer even if she is Monica's daughter.
The same Monica she wan't William to seduce regardless of how much pain William caused Mon already? Leia even uses William. William's the one who gets teary at the simplest moments, Leia needs to be pushed.

Edit: Oh damn, a devlog! Time to find out new things? Why is Nika so bored groping Ayua????

 
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Oh no you get me wrong - it is just a way to link the subs closer. RPGs do it a lot with cemetaries - headstones with little personalised quotes for backers etc. Something of an in joke. I don't think Ocean is interested in the legal issues of selling out product placement - he has enough difficulties because of ToS without getting the game tied up in legal knots over branded spam. I think it's just a way to involv his subs more.

What I was really meaning is that there's heaps of places he could place names, like Stefan's burgers could be named: Bob's Fried Duck Burger has a(n onion) ring to it maybe? Nah.

We've seen renders of Riri, I'm sure there will be more. If Ocean is already talking about a gentleman's club style of thing in SG, chances are we'll see some other person running it for Leia, seeing Emilio has gone independent. Maybe Desiree was one of Leia's girls too? Maybe there's a reason Emilio has tatts, from prison time? Setting up he's own space after seeing what working for the Zane's did for him?

Yeah, Summer as a memory/flashback (y)



There is no incest allowed by patreon. SG is fully compliant with patreon's ToS, which means that there is nothing that has a whiff of incest allowed. Ocean hasn't stated anything about how the Zane family relations play out in the remake, everyone is just making assumptions (as we do) about what we saw in the abandoned old versions of both games. We have to wait to see what Ocean does. He might not even clear it up in the next releases, but the longer he leaves it unclear, the harder it is to follow some plots/paths sensibly.



It gets complicated fast - Molly could be Donna's sister and Aziz is Nika's cousin. Donna might not be a Revera but a Cyrus. We're guessing based on info that's not canon at this point. I can certainly see the appeal of Nika being disowned from the clan because Leia is vindictive about William's wild oats. But again, this is just fanfic territory currently.



The same Monica she wan't William to seduce regardless of how much pain William caused Mon already? Leia even uses William. William's the one who gets teary at the simplest moments, Leia needs to be pushed.

Edit: Oh damn, a devlog! Time to find out new things? Why is Nika so bored groping Ayua????

Now I am feeling kinda dumb for not realising the obvious here. Make much more sense than what I thought. Regarding the rest, I fully agree. And now if we do not get the chance to fuck Auya it willl be just cruelty. But aswering your question, because she is not a LI
 
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Aren't William and Leia supposed to be twins though?

This is what I'm kinda confused about. What is the deal with this family? Is this really just full-on an incest fest or are they not actually related to each other? Because William and Leia call Helen and Dylan by their names, but aren't they supposed to be their mother and father?

Is this part of the rework and the relationships are all kinda vague now?
I thought they were a sort of adopted family. Kinda like the Cullens from twilight. Sounds better than saying they're some sort weird incestuous cult.
 
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