mruggeri2

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Is Summer related to the Zanes somehow?

Hear me out: We know that Nika and Nami has this 'bibi' joke going on, right? But it's shown in Chapter 1 that this was actually brought to them by Summer. The thing is, I'm playing WIAB right now - which its supposed to be quite a few years before SG - and it's said that 'bibi' is a word that was created by William, Leia and Katie during their childhood. So, if its a made-up word by them, how does Summer knows it?

I know it's a small detail but, is it a valid theory or Ocean just wanted an excuse to put the 'bibi' thing in SG too and it's not really something relevant to the plot?
 

BobTheDuck

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Bar opening is not like chapter 2 ? That is not soon, but is a smart idea.
Game(s): Leia has a club that'll feature in WiaB, Nika and Nami drank beer with labels, and Nami jokes about Nika buying a flask of Katie's Sky (I guess like there was shots of Bella's Wrath and Mila's Venom in old WiaB). These don't have to be cocktails. Snacks can imply candy bars, energy bars at the gym, any kind of food that needs a label. Some one could corner the name on a pizza, or a can of spam I guess. Ocean will continue to avoid using obvious trademarks.

Is Summer related to the Zanes somehow?

Hear me out: We know that Nika and Nami has this 'bibi' joke going on, right? But it's shown in Chapter 1 that this was actually brought to them by Summer. The thing is, I'm playing WIAB right now - which its supposed to be quite a few years before SG - and it's said that 'bibi' is a word that was created by William, Leia and Katie during their childhood. So, if its a made-up word by them, how does Summer knows it?

I know it's a small detail but, is it a valid theory or Ocean just wanted an excuse to put the 'bibi' thing in SG too and it's not really something relevant to the plot?
It is a very valid theory. keep in mind that Leia started calling her new employees bibi's though. Summer's mom could be one of the working girls who became a gold digger. That could explain it also. I prefer the idea that Summer is connected to the Zanes than Nika is personally. But it still could be both. Nika was brought up by Noji from age 3, so wouldn't necessarily remember much earlier. His memory of his mom reading to him about the universe (that he tells Vic or Mila when walking at night) is pretty hazy which supports that - the bibi word might not have made an impression yet.
 

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Is Summer related to the Zanes somehow?
The thing is, I'm playing WIAB right now
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First of all, welcome to the Oceanverse shitshow! Glad to have you here! Hope you enjoy your stay :Kappa:
Secondly, I would...huh...wait until the next chapter of WiAb releases before delving into that or any other theory involving the Zanes.

That said, yes, your theory is a possibility that thousands of people have already considered. I'm still somewhat convinced Summer is Leia's daughter. However both games have been going through very meaningful changes since their inception. Therefore it would be unwise, at this point, to consider anyone outside of Ayua and Katie a Zane.
 

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:HideThePain:

First of all, welcome to the Oceanverse shitshow! Glad to have you here! Hope you enjoy your stay :Kappa:
Secondly, I would...huh...wait until the next chapter of WiAb releases before delving into that or any other theory involving the Zanes.

That said, yes, your theory is a possibility that thousands of people have already considered. I'm still somewhat convinced Summer is Leia's daughter. However both games have been going through very meaningful changes since their inception. Therefore it would be unwise, at this point, to consider anyone outside of Ayua and Katie a Zane.

I like you, let's theorize. If Summer is Leia's daughter, can we say that Nika is the son of some Revera? After all, Summer's parents didn't want her with Nika, but there's the issue of Nami's earring, what do you think?

I have a theory that Nika is the son of Leia with William and Nami with Monica or Daphne, and since one of them was murdered during the war between the Zanes and Dragon or that gang with the Russian name (I can't remember). Reinforcing Leia feels guilty so for that reason she always kept an eye on Nami and even gave her one of her earrings or maybe it's just bullshit, I stopped theorizing because it only leads to a dead end.
 
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Game(s): Leia has a club that'll feature in WiaB, Nika and Nami drank beer with labels, and Nami jokes about Nika buying a flask of Katie's Sky (I guess like there was shots of Bella's Wrath and Mila's Venom in old WiaB). These don't have to be cocktails. Snacks can imply candy bars, energy bars at the gym, any kind of food that needs a label. Some one could corner the name on a pizza, or a can of spam I guess. Ocean will continue to avoid using obvious trademarks.



It is a very valid theory. keep in mind that Leia started calling her new employees bibi's though. Summer's mom could be one of the working girls who became a gold digger. That could explain it also. I prefer the idea that Summer is connected to the Zanes than Nika is personally. But it still could be both. Nika was brought up by Noji from age 3, so wouldn't necessarily remember much earlier. His memory of his mom reading to him about the universe (that he tells Vic or Mila when walking at night) is pretty hazy which supports that - the bibi word might not have made an impression yet.
Yeah I got it, is a good idea from Ocean's part but is probably the least effected way to marketing your product. Is nice if he founds someone who is willing but I can't say that I can understand the reasoning as to why anyone would want their food product on a porn game. That said,. if he could do this sort of thing with a sex shop or the like I can see it working better.


You are right about the girls working for Leia, but not even Emilio knows what bibi means, so if one knows is almost a grantee that she will have some role in the story.

:HideThePain:

First of all, welcome to the Oceanverse shitshow! Glad to have you here! Hope you enjoy your stay :Kappa:
Secondly, I would...huh...wait until the next chapter of WiAb releases before delving into that or any other theory involving the Zanes.

That said, yes, your theory is a possibility that thousands of people have already considered. I'm still somewhat convinced Summer is Leia's daughter. However both games have been going through very meaningful changes since their inception. Therefore it would be unwise, at this point, to consider anyone outside of Ayua and Katie a Zane.
Is a good theory and you are right about the Zanes. But I want Summer gone from any plot point that is not related to Nika. If Summer is the knot that tight the stories I will be disappointed. It does not necessary makes it bad though.
 
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mruggeri2

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I like you, let's theorize. If Summer is Leia's daughter, can we say that Nikka is the son of some Revera? After all, Summer's parents didn't want her with Nikka, but there's the issue of Nami's earring, what do you think?

I have a theory that Nikka is the son of Leia with William and Nami with Monica or Daphne, and since one of them was murdered during the war between the Zanes and Dragon or that gang with the Russian name (I can't remember). Reinforcing Leia feels guilty so for that reason she always kept an eye on Nami and even gave her one of her earrings or maybe it's just bullshit, I stopped theorizing because it only leads to a dead end.
Aren't William and Leia supposed to be twins though?

This is what I'm kinda confused about. What is the deal with this family? Is this really just full-on an incest fest or are they not actually related to each other? Because William and Leia call Helen and Dylan by their names, but aren't they supposed to be their mother and father?

Is this part of the rework and the relationships are all kinda vague now?
 
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LHDLLB

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I like you, let's theorize. If Summer is Leia's daughter, can we say that Nikka is the son of some Revera? After all, Summer's parents didn't want her with Nikka, but there's the issue of Nami's earring, what do you think?

I have a theory that Nikka is the son of Leia with William and Nami with Monica or Daphne, and since one of them was murdered during the war between the Zanes and Dragon or that gang with the Russian name (I can't remember). Reinforcing Leia feels guilty so for that reason she always kept an eye on Nami and even gave her one of her earrings or maybe it's just bullshit, I stopped theorizing because it only leads to a dead end.
Nika might be a Zane but I don't think he will be Leia and William, though I can see the appeal. Revera also is a odd choice but not a impossible one. If there is a mystery lineage to Nika the only that makes sense to me is either the Zanes or he is related to WiaB antagonist. Nami being William's is not a impossible one either but really difficult to say with the changes that may or may not be made with the next update. As RNas444 said any theorizing over who is or is not a Zane is pointless until we know what Ocean will do.
 

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Aren't William and Leia supposed to be twins though?

This is what I'm kinda confused about. What is the deal with this family? Is this really just full-on an incest fest or are they not actually related to each other? Because William and Leia call Helen and Dylan by their names, but aren't they supposed to be their mother and father?

Is this part of the rework and the relationships are all kinda vague now?

Back in the day, before Patreon's policy took down WIAB, the story was simple

Leia and William were twins, Katie was their sister, Dylan and Helen were their parents. Leia and William were in love. Katie cheated on them and one fine night William decided to leave. You already know the rest.

But after WIAB fell and the reworks came, our dear Ocean changed the narrative to preserve SG's Patreon and its income. Some say that Leia, William and Katie are not siblings. I still like the idea that they are siblings, with or without changes. I will follow this reasoning.
 

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Nika might be a Zane but I don't think he will be Leia and William, though I can see the appeal. Revera also is a odd choice but not a impossible one. If there is a mystery lineage to Nika the only that makes sense to me is either the Zanes or he is related to WiaB antagonist. Nami being William's is not a impossible one either but really difficult to say with the changes that may or may not be made with the next update. As RNas444 said any theorizing over who is or is not a Zane is pointless until we know what Ocean will do.
I follow the line of Nami being William's daughter only in the case of Daphne being her mother, but if it is Monica's I would say it is with her boyfriend and now let's get into my theory, for some reason Monica decided to help Leia and William find out what happened to Helen and well whoever took Helen's voice ordered the couple (Monica and her boyfriend) to be killed, let's consider it a burning of files and left Nami an orphan, Leia felt guilty and gave her to be raised with Nojiko.
 
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