VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[BobTheDuck]

Re: 1. Public transport does exist in the Oceanverse...

What do we really know about the cabin?

Real World:

- It's a six-hour drive from where they live.

- Nika and Summer visited the cabin.

- Nami "sent Jane [Officer Larverne] after" Nika and Summer and Officer Larverne went and picked them up from the cabin.

- Nika says that time in the cabin was the last time he touched and kissed Summer, but not the last time he saw her.

-Nami refers to the occasion as "The cabin incident".


Dream:

- Nika and Summer walk to the cabin after spending time in the nearby woods.

- They go to the cabin because "It's already dark... We will never find our way home."

- Nika blames Summer for not getting home. Nika: "It's your fault! I told you that we should come back another time!" Summer: "Yes! But tomorrow I'll be gone on a family vacation! I really wanted to see you before I'm gone for two weeks!"


What we don't know about the "cabin incident"...

- How Nika/Summer got from home to the cabin.

- How long Nika/Summer were away from home before Nami got Officer Larverne to intervene.

- Why Nami intervened.

- How reliable the details in Nika's dream are (it's a dream after all).

I'm outta reacts still, so quick reply.

We also know:

d "When I was still seeking solitude, I sometimes left the house at night and just walked through the nearby woods or sat near the lake."

n "The cabin? The one deep in the woods?"

n "You and I should train in our free time."
d "Well, we pretty much just throw the ball back and forth."
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n "Don't forget that we also have other sport tournaments."
n "For example swimming."
n "And we have a lake right here dude."

So the first thing is that young Nika and current Nika could both walk to the lake, so the old Nika lived pretty close to where he lives now, in walking distance. The woods are in walking distance, and the cabin was deep in the woods. Same woods? Unlikely given the 6 hour drive. If we take Dream Summer's words as true, that she wanted to see Nika before laving on vacation, they could've taken the subway south to the beach, or anywhere. 6 hours drive IS going on vacation.

Using public transport to travel 360km or more without a guardian? Totally possible. But for a lot of places that's a different police juridiction. If Nami knew where they were, given that a 6 hour travel radius from home would cover a full manhunt, wouldn't Larverne call her friends in different places to be on the lookout? Unless she knew exactly where to drive for six hours. Also, from the cabin it was a further 6 hours for Larverne to bring them home.

I honestly can't remember if know if Nika told Nami where they went, if we disallow anything said in the dream as potentially misremembered.

Maybe the charge (that was dropped) against Nika was from Summer's parents accusing him of abducting her? Possible.

There's a very narrow amount of ways that this could work, but it does show that the cabin is nowhere near the lake, or the old house, or the old school, and that's something important to note - Nika's always lived in Wollust, very close to where he is now.

So sure, they could hitch, or catch a train, bus etc. But Nami has to know where they went to send Larverne after them. 6 hours away means they knew the cabin was there, but it's not the first place you'd go looking for a missing teenager. There's no way Nami could cover for them if it was more than a day they were missing. And it doesn't make sense to travel so far for a bit of alone time, so we have to believe that Nika's mind has totally erased what happened, but he remembers and chokes up when talking to Amber.

So tell me again, how long did it take Noji and Nami to get to the lake? Did they live in the same place they live now? Did they walk to the lake from the same place they live now? Maybe they walked to the lake when they came to Wollust to visit one of Noji's friends, like Scarlet?

Noji and Nami, well, it doesn't matter, the rain was enough to stop the kids going, no Noji required. If you look at my rational, I'm no longer certain that they did live somewhere else, just that we see different rooms. The old house was in better condition, so did they trade down to cover NIka's medical expenses? Who knows.

Last one, possible. But given Summer wanted to go to the lake and she was visiting Nami at the time, it was something that was common enough for Summer to want to do with them also. Also local enough for Summer to know about it, rather than Summer going, "hey can we visit Noji's friend Scarlet so we can go to the lake?"

All these solutions make it less likely any thought was put into the distances.

 

[yossa999]

Noji and Nami, well, it doesn't matter, the rain was enough to stop the kids going, no Noji required. If you look at my rational, I'm no longer certain that they did live somewhere else, just that we see different rooms. The old house was in better condition, so did they trade down to cover NIka's medical expenses? Who knows.

Last one, possible. But given Summer wanted to go to the lake and she was visiting Nami at the time, it was something that was common enough for Summer to want to do with them also. Also local enough for Summer to know about it, rather than Summer going, "hey can we visit Noji's friend Scarlet so we can go to the lake?"

All these solutions make it less likely any thought was put into the distances.

You leave Ocean no choice but to add another forest and a lake six hours away. First the workstation, now this... Expenses, expenses...

 

[BobTheDuck]

You leave Ocean no choice but to add another forest and a lake six hours away. First the workstation, now this... Expenses, expenses...

Good thing he already has that lake asset, he can reuse it like he reused OG Scarlet's wig for Vic's hair. Make it the same lake for the camping trip and Nika can find the campfire where Willi plays truth or dare decades ago! it's all coming together thanks to the elder god under the lake

 

[crabsinthekitchen]

You leave Ocean no choice but to add another forest and a lake six hours away. First the workstation, now this... Expenses, expenses...

Just make the lake bigger and put the cabin on the other side. Why should only boobs get bigger but the rest of the world stay the same size?

 

[John972]

Don't you think that there is nothing that cannot be explained retroactively? That is why thousands are teaching how to make money on the stock exchange, and making the "analytical reviews" explaining highs and lows, but only a few actually make money.

So tell me again, how long did it take Noji and Nami to get to the lake? Did they live in the same place they live now? Did they walk to the lake from the same place they live now? Maybe they walked to the lake when they came to Wollust to visit one of Noji's friends, like Scarlet?

By the way, how did Summer and Nika get to the cabin? How long did it take? Why did they decide to spend the night there instead of going home?

Not that it matters in the slightest to me, I enjoy the story not because it marks the distances between points on the map with pinpoint accuracy, and if I find an error in determining the distances then the story is ruined for me. R-U-I-N-E-D! You know, it's like hearing the sound of an explosion in the vacuum of space.
But I'm still curious.

#TeamAlwaysHaveBeen forever!

I'm outta reacts still, so quick reply.

We also know:







So the first thing is that young Nika and current Nika could both walk to the lake, so the old Nika lived pretty close to where he lives now, in walking distance. The woods are in walking distance, and the cabin was deep in the woods. Same woods? Unlikely given the 6 hour drive. If we take Dream Summer's words as true, that she wanted to see Nika before laving on vacation, they could've taken the subway south to the beach, or anywhere. 6 hours drive IS going on vacation.

Using public transport to travel 360km or more without a guardian? Totally possible. But for a lot of places that's a different police juridiction. If Nami knew where they were, given that a 6 hour travel radius from home would cover a full manhunt, wouldn't Larverne call her friends in different places to be on the lookout? Unless she knew exactly where to drive for six hours. Also, from the cabin it was a further 6 hours for Larverne to bring them home.

I honestly can't remember if know if Nika told Nami where they went, if we disallow anything said in the dream as potentially misremembered.

Maybe the charge (that was dropped) against Nika was from Summer's parents accusing him of abducting her? Possible.

There's a very narrow amount of ways that this could work, but it does show that the cabin is nowhere near the lake, or the old house, or the old school, and that's something important to note - Nika's always lived in Wollust, very close to where he is now.

So sure, they could hitch, or catch a train, bus etc. But Nami has to know where they went to send Larverne after them. 6 hours away means they knew the cabin was there, but it's not the first place you'd go looking for a missing teenager. There's no way Nami could cover for them if it was more than a day they were missing. And it doesn't make sense to travel so far for a bit of alone time, so we have to believe that Nika's mind has totally erased what happened, but he remembers and chokes up when talking to Amber.



Noji and Nami, well, it doesn't matter, the rain was enough to stop the kids going, no Noji required. If you look at my rational, I'm no longer certain that they did live somewhere else, just that we see different rooms. The old house was in better condition, so did they trade down to cover NIka's medical expenses? Who knows.

Last one, possible. But given Summer wanted to go to the lake and she was visiting Nami at the time, it was something that was common enough for Summer to want to do with them also. Also local enough for Summer to know about it, rather than Summer going, "hey can we visit Noji's friend Scarlet so we can go to the lake?"

All these solutions make it less likely any thought was put into the distances.

The more I think about it, the less I think the whole six-hour malarky is an oversight leading to a major plothole.

Ocean included the "Oh, that's a six hour drive away" in chapter 3.5 and kept it there throughout all the reworking prior to the release of Season 1.

Given that Ocean is obviously more intimate with and focused on the story that any of us are, I just can't see this particular text remaining unchanged in the game unless it will make sense sometime in the future. Otherwise, why not simply change one or two words in that sentence? Ocean had more than enough opportunity to retconn and align all this before the release of Season 1.

Time will tell, I guess...

 

[yossa999]

The more I think about it, the less I think the whole six-hour malarky is an oversight leading to a major plothole.

Ocean included the "Oh, that's a six hour drive away" in chapter 3.5 and kept it there throughout all the reworking prior to the release of Season 1.

Given that Ocean is obviously more intimate with and focused on the story that any of us are, I just can't see this particular text remaining unchanged in the game unless it will make sense sometime in the future. Otherwise, why not simply change one or two words in that sentence? Ocean had more than enough opportunity to retconn and align all this before the release of Season 1.

Time will tell, I guess...

Well, GRRM melted gold in a cookpot over a simple fire, but that's not the reason why we think he R-U-I-N-E-D the GoT, right?

 

[BobTheDuck]

The more I think about it, the less I think the whole six-hour malarky is an oversight leading to a major plothole.

Ocean included the "Oh, that's a six hour drive away" in chapter 3.5 and kept it there throughout all the reworking prior to the release of Season 1.

Given that Ocean is obviously more intimate with and focused on the story that any of us are, I just can't see this particular text remaining unchanged in the game unless it will make sense sometime in the future. Otherwise, why not simply change one or two words in that sentence? Ocean had more than enough opportunity to retconn and align all this before the release of Season 1.

Time will tell, I guess...

Just keep in mind he has a suggestions channel on discord for people to give feedback for things he's overlooked. And keeping things the same size has not been his strong point. I can see him leaving it, because he had a million other things to get ready, and it fits his goal for a long car trip with Amber.

I understand why he wants the cabin far away (regards Amber), but two hours drive would be enough. Lets say Amber wants the visit to occur at the same time as it happened back then, that requires an overnight stay anyway. Or they get caught in an autumn storm, because summer's gone, suddenly Amber has a new see through blouse, decides to pull into a motel. It's super easy if it's closer to still serve that purpose (we assume the Amber trip is all about that kind of event in some fashion).

It's not that it can't be bent and twisted to fit, but it doesn't need to be so ridiculously far.

Also, as much as I'm nitpicking, I love the game. The list of things I find hilarious/ridiculous is a very minor set smaller than the set of things I find awesome about the game.

Just make the lake bigger and put the cabin on the other side. Why should only boobs get bigger but the rest of the world stay the same size?

This is the way, it's not a lake, but a whole Ocean.

 

[Mr_Mister]

Hey, summer's gone, so the autumn rains are coming in fast bringing the clouds

In all seriousness there's lots of great inconsistencies, but if we had updates more regularly, we'd miss half of them, getting out heads around the new scenes. I'm still going to have a go at Ocean for the distance to the cabin. It makes no sense. We'll see if he fixes it, but it's unlikely. I'll just continue laughing about it, just like Rnasc will find the lack of cat scratches hilarious every time.

It's still good fun, except the waiting when we have to make our own fun

After the remake , rewrite and retouches , the story has been taking a nose dive with all the inconsistencies .
and at this point it will not surprised me if the revelation to what happened to Summer is something lackluster .
"just imagine the scene all moody just with little sunlight coming from the window , Mc sitting in the dark part of the room and Elsa/Amber holding Mc hand , telling him ! , Summer took off to italy because of a better schoolarship !"
the revelation it's but the scene it's cheff kiss !.

 

[Mr_Mister]

Just keep in mind he has a suggestions channel on discord for people to give feedback for things he's overlooked. And keeping things the same size has not been his strong point. I can see him leaving it, because he had a million other things to get ready, and it fits his goal for a long car trip with Amber.

I understand why he wants the cabin far away (regards Amber), but two hours drive would be enough. Lets say Amber wants the visit to occur at the same time as it happened back then, that requires an overnight stay anyway. Or they get caught in an autumn storm, because summer's gone, suddenly Amber has a new see through blouse, decides to pull into a motel. It's super easy if it's closer to still serve that purpose (we assume the Amber trip is all about that kind of event in some fashion).

It's not that it can't be bent and twisted to fit, but it doesn't need to be so ridiculously far.

Also, as much as I'm nitpicking, I love the game. The list of things I find hilarious/ridiculous is a very minor set smaller than the set of things I find awesome about the game.



This is the way, it's not a lake, but a whole Ocean.

if it is a 6 to 7 hours drive ......... how the hell Summer and Mc got there ? , being that they were just kids !.
and let's remember that Nami spoiled MC and Summer love making session by calling officer Laverne , because Nami didn't want the MC to get into trouble , so the cabin should not be far enough from where Mc and Nami used to live.
and we know that they used to live on the west side of the city , so still not far enough!

 

[LHDLLB]

Just keep in mind he has a suggestions channel on discord for people to give feedback for things he's overlooked. And keeping things the same size has not been his strong point. I can see him leaving it, because he had a million other things to get ready, and it fits his goal for a long car trip with Amber.

I understand why he wants the cabin far away (regards Amber), but two hours drive would be enough. Lets say Amber wants the visit to occur at the same time as it happened back then, that requires an overnight stay anyway. Or they get caught in an autumn storm, because summer's gone, suddenly Amber has a new see through blouse, decides to pull into a motel. It's super easy if it's closer to still serve that purpose (we assume the Amber trip is all about that kind of event in some fashion).

It's not that it can't be bent and twisted to fit, but it doesn't need to be so ridiculously far.

Also, as much as I'm nitpicking, I love the game. The list of things I find hilarious/ridiculous is a very minor set smaller than the set of things I find awesome about the game.



This is the way, it's not a lake, but a whole Ocean.

Not to insist on the same point. But maybe it is two lakes ans two Woods? Nah, saying it now does not make much sense

 

[BobTheDuck]

Not to insist on the same point. But maybe it is two lakes ans two Woods? Nah, saying it now does not make much sense

Trying to get my reacts back still.

It's not a major plothole, just like Mila's shapeshifting isn't a major plot hole, or the cat scratches. It's just something that undermines how well he's conveyed emotions elsewhere and how well he's placed people as rumour gatherers etc.

I'm forbidding myself from speaking further on this today though, everyone's had enough of my OCD I'm sure. Re-read (if you can dare yourself) what I've mentioned to answer why it's the same one.

 

[im_here_4_content]

Hello everyone,
There is still dates of release for WIAB or SG?

 

[sauravk]

Any option to play the uncensored version on Android?

 

[BobTheDuck]

Hello everyone,
There is still dates of release for WIAB or SG?

We still don't have confirmed release dates, but the next devlog will hopefully give us some indication of how close we're getting. Ocean's still doing still renders for both games, and there are animations to deal with as well. In Wiab's case, there will be the steam hold ups.

Current (optimistic) guesses are March for Wiab and mid-year for SG. I strongly doubt anything this month.

 

[RNasc4444]

1. Nami sent the police after them, so it was something that was unsanctioned by adults, so no cars. Nika and Summer got to the cabin on their own steam as neither could drive. Also, a 15 year old can't go faster than a car for 6 hours on a bike. Even if the "old" home (do we know they moved, or is it just the decor and room we see of the "old house" an assumption?) was closer, it was in walking distance to the lake, which Nika can currently walk to and back before breakfast. Nami and Noji's confirmation of the cabin (Nami by calling Jane, Noji by asking if AMber really means that cabin) confirms Nika's story enough.

2. Can't be, because of the lake, currently a 15 min walk or thereabouts, which if they walked from their old house, they wouldn't walk further than an hour, especially as they talk about the beach being on the bus route, and the surfing thing with Zara, saying the beach is close... so at best the lake would be between the two houses, in walking distance from either, putting the cabin at least 5hrs 45min from the lake still.

3. Yes, this would be one way, but create the exact problem you describe.

4: A sensible solution - the cabin was simply where NIka and Summer ran away to and is only known to Nami and Noji after Jane finds them. But for Nika and Summer to run away jsut to have alone time before SUmmer's family vacation, they'd choose somewhere closer. 6 hours at 60km/hr by car (conservative, based on slow roads, mountains etc), 360km, which at 5km/hr hiking, would be 72 hours. I'm sure they could find somewhere for alone time closer. Take off maybe 2 hours most for the walking distance between the potential old home and the new one, we're still at 70hrs of hiking.

Here's my nice infographic. If the old house is further from the cabin than the current one, well, it's worse.

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I'm getting worried again bud... Remember to go outside yeah? And talk to real people

Anyways as much as I enjoy the discussion about driving/walking distances, time, portals and shapeshifting, what I really want is to know where I can find this:

I have a cat. I NEED this! Completely getting rid of scratches and cuts in a few hours with no scarring? Sign me the fuck up!!!

 

[LHDLLB]

I'm getting worried again bud... Remember to go outside yeah? And talk to real people

Anyways as much as I enjoy the discussion about driving/walking distances, time, portals and shapeshifting, what I really want is to know where I can find this:
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I have a cat. I NEED this! Completely getting rid of scratches and cuts in a few hours with no scarring? Sign me the fuck up!!!

Personally I want to know Nika's diet or the suplematation that he uses. My boy went from noodle harms to having a pack, even his jaw got more defined. The sprayhair also would be nice.

 

[Lurcher1]

I think you misunderstand what I meant - it is to do with the dream and what he tells Amber. From these we believe that Nika and Summer "walked" to the cabin, hence the six-hour drive conundrum. What if Nika has so far been an unreliable narrator and they did NOT simply walk to the cabin from their homes? Nika/Summer hiding out/going to somewhere so far away doesn't preclude Nami knowing the location.

To me, there is only three ways out of this conundrum:

1. Nika is an unreliable narrator and there is more to what we've been led to believe about "walking" to the cabin.

2. Nika/Nami/Nojiko previously living "out west" was actually some six hours drive from their current location. This presents it's own set of plotholes due to Nojiko's work (a six-hour commute?) and Schrödinger's lake - an interdimensional body of water that simultaneously exists in two locations six hours drive apart.

3. Ocean deletes the whole "six hour drive" reference from Season 1. I suspect he has a reason to make the distance so long (time-wise) because of what he has planned for the Amber/Nika cabin visit. For example (spitballing here), if, for some reason, Amber/Nika have to stay at a motel overnight on the trip, that's more plausible over a six-hour drive than a 30-minute drive.

I'd say there's a fourth way but it kind of links into the first point and is my own crazy theory (likely full of holes) - Nika and Summer were abducted and taken to the cabin. He's suppressed or altered his own memories to some point and remembers it as walking there. Something bad happened at the cabin (Nika stabbed and left for dead/last time he saw summer/etc) and Officer Laverne headed up the rescue mission. But to Nika, he remembers it as walking there and spending time with just Summer before she 'vanishes'. To me, Nami and Noji's reactions when they refer to things like the Violent Incident or are cagey when talking about how Summer vanished.

If even a fraction of that is close to the truth, the Amber visit could be quite a brutal piece of story telling if Ocean can pull it off

 

[Winterstale]

Personally I want to know Nika's diet or the suplematation that he uses. My boy went from noodle harms to having a pack, even his jaw got more defined. The sprayhair also would be nice.

Now seems like the perfect moment to drop in a quote: "Consistency is key. That's all there is"

 

[Ray_D]

Thats what happens when you work on two games at the same time...
I really hope that when Where it all Began releases on Steam, Ocean only focuses on Summer's Gone for the time being.

I think SG gets more than enough worked on. WIAB got completely dropped and fucked when SG was going on Steam.

I have to agree with Mr. helmet on this, the prequel should have more priority, to avoid future continuity problems in SG.

 

[LHDLLB]

I have to agree with Mr. helmet on this, the prequel should have more priority, to avoid future continuity problems in SG.

While it has true to that, I don't think of them as "prequel" or "Sequel" anymore as but two chapters of the same story. That at some point will come together.