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I know this horse has probably been beaten to death, so pardon me for trotting out an old topic, but I’m honestly stumped as to why Ocean chose to juggle two games at once. Sure, maybe he’s got the script all wrapped up, but handling the rendering, music, programming, and everything else for two separate projects sounds beyond exhausting. Here’s hoping he doesn’t suddenly throw a third title into the mix before finishing the first two
... then again, I’m no stranger to kicking off new projects before finishing the old ones myself
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tldr:I know this horse has probably been beaten to death, so pardon me for trotting out an old topic, but I’m honestly stumped as to why Ocean chose to juggle two games at once. Sure, maybe he’s got the script all wrapped up, but handling the rendering, music, programming, and everything else for two separate projects sounds beyond exhausting. Here’s hoping he doesn’t suddenly throw a third title into the mix before finishing the first two
... then again, I’m no stranger to kicking off new projects before finishing the old ones myself
The guy he got to do SG for him (regium) was basically not up to task. Ocean did more and more and effectively by the end of Ch2...regium had left and Ocean took it over himself completely (it's his story). Blah, not stopping...WIAB my baby....but SG making three times the money...wahh taxes...workstations...boobs...
Here we are.
Ocean explained it several times. The short answer is that Ocean finds working on two games (i.e. alternating between them) stops him from burning out and going stale, which he believes could happen if he worked on one game alone. In other words, it's like the old addage, "a change is as good as a holiday". There are other considerations as well that Ocean has mentioned [EDIT: Maviatab mentions them in the post above mine], but the burnout issue was one of the main reasons he gave.I know this horse has probably been beaten to death, so pardon me for trotting out an old topic, but I’m honestly stumped as to why Ocean chose to juggle two games at once. Sure, maybe he’s got the script all wrapped up, but handling the rendering, music, programming, and everything else for two separate projects sounds beyond exhausting. Here’s hoping he doesn’t suddenly throw a third title into the mix before finishing the first two
... then again, I’m no stranger to kicking off new projects before finishing the old ones myself
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I definitely see the logic in not keeping one's nose to the same grindstone day in and day out - sometimes you need to switch gears so you can come back with fresh eyes. That really clicks for me. Still, diving into such colossal projects all at once is a whole different ballgame - ambitious to the hilt...
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Yup. Finish a game first before trying to do multiple at the same time. All games exponentially increase time between updates as branching grows, even if it works today it likely won't in the future.
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I think working on two projects simultaneously is fine as long as one is more of a testing ground/side piece. WiaB and SG are not the way to do it but that ship has sailed and it wasn't all Ocean's fault. The fact SG makes more money is unfortunate for WiaB fans.
It's nice to have smaller scope projects to flex on when you're feeling the burn on your main ambitious project.
It's nice to have smaller scope projects to flex on when you're feeling the burn on your main ambitious project.
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I'm going to offer a different perspective - WiaB is proof Ocean's not doing it for the money. If he was solely inspired by making a buck, he'd do SG first
BUt further than that, it has amazing story implications that only we get to play. Someone playing the finished games will get a different experience for a number of reasons. RIght now:
- Nika doesn't know who Katie is to him or what she's done in the past. Neither do we. If Wiab was finished, we wouldn't have this mystery. This goes for all of the WiaB characters that will appear in SG or have a legacy. We don't know how Stefan got to be how he is, where Emilio got his tatts, we're looking for easter eggs to give us clues.
- We don't know who the parents are for certain of anyone in SG, so we don't presume their background or affiliations to the social order. If we know character X is character Y from WIaB's daughter definitely, we don't take them 100% on face value.
Currently we're playing both games blind to the past, at the same time. If we played a finished WiaB first, some of the easter eggs would feel lame. If we played a finished SG first, we'd already know who survives and what the outcome is.
Because both games were started, finishing them both prevents them from spoiling the enjoyment of whichever game comes second. If Ocean had focused on WiaB and finished that first, he's have to work harder to keep mysteries in SG and SG would be different from the outset. Buth there is no real way of having SG play out with more and more cameos from WiaB era characters without giving too much of Ocean's WiaB canon away.
BUt further than that, it has amazing story implications that only we get to play. Someone playing the finished games will get a different experience for a number of reasons. RIght now:
- Nika doesn't know who Katie is to him or what she's done in the past. Neither do we. If Wiab was finished, we wouldn't have this mystery. This goes for all of the WiaB characters that will appear in SG or have a legacy. We don't know how Stefan got to be how he is, where Emilio got his tatts, we're looking for easter eggs to give us clues.
- We don't know who the parents are for certain of anyone in SG, so we don't presume their background or affiliations to the social order. If we know character X is character Y from WIaB's daughter definitely, we don't take them 100% on face value.
Currently we're playing both games blind to the past, at the same time. If we played a finished WiaB first, some of the easter eggs would feel lame. If we played a finished SG first, we'd already know who survives and what the outcome is.
Because both games were started, finishing them both prevents them from spoiling the enjoyment of whichever game comes second. If Ocean had focused on WiaB and finished that first, he's have to work harder to keep mysteries in SG and SG would be different from the outset. Buth there is no real way of having SG play out with more and more cameos from WiaB era characters without giving too much of Ocean's WiaB canon away.
I think this next update will be when we finally have a lewd scene. There has been a lot of progress in Nika's relationships in Chapter 5, specially in regards to the sexual nature of them. Bella is very aggressive about wanting it and Nika also states that he wants to be able to give it to her, Mila also becomes more aggressive and even Nika touches her a lot when they are making out and Nami almost managed to give him an erection in the jacuzzi and by the end of the chapter, Nika can choose to start a relationship with her.
Not to mention that in this next update, Nika and Amber will go to the cabin, the place where Nika and Summer had the most intimate time, which could also be a place where he can finally overcome his trauma. It feels like Ocean is preparing a lot of terrain for Nika to overcome his "problem" and finally be able to have a sexual relationship with his LI. I don't know if there will be a scene for each of the current LI's, but imo it feels like the story is going to a place where this will finally happen.
Not to mention that in this next update, Nika and Amber will go to the cabin, the place where Nika and Summer had the most intimate time, which could also be a place where he can finally overcome his trauma. It feels like Ocean is preparing a lot of terrain for Nika to overcome his "problem" and finally be able to have a sexual relationship with his LI. I don't know if there will be a scene for each of the current LI's, but imo it feels like the story is going to a place where this will finally happen.
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No not until Season 3. Season 2 is all about getting Nika's erection issue fixed.
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Dude ! ........ Duuuude ! ....... DUUUUUDE !.
come on Ducky ! , not even you believe what you just posted .
you should follow "RNasc4444 advice" and go out , play in the yard , go for a hike and breath fresh air and i don't know maybe tap some bootty and share a couple of brewskis with the " Dalai Lama ".
so when you comeback to the forums you'll have a clear mind and see everything with a new or better perspective !
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I totally believe it. Nika as an MC doesn't know who Katie is or what she's done, and neither do we when we see here at the book club. So a "Hi, I'm Katie" hits us differently than if we've played a completed WiaB. Half the fun I have is seeing the connections grow in tandem. Not everyone is like me, I get that, but I'll stand by the idea that currently the mysteries in each play off each other, and create a meta narrative between the two. We wouldn't have theories otherwise.
This is why we're blind to the past - as we're seeing it from NIka's perspective, he doesn't know about the Zanes at all. A finished WiaB destroys that illusion. What in SG says anything ominous about Katie, ZPR or anything? We have that only because of WiaB. Nika is more worried about Noji hiding things from him than who Katie is or who Sasha's mom is. The only concerns Nika has 1. himself (all the things, pocket rockets, foggy brain etc) 2. mice infestations 3. girls. 4. basketball. Emilio is the only criminal (other than Bella) that he really knows.
The question is, how long can it go before Ocean drops spoilers for WiaB in SG? It would be stilted storytelling to keep the leapfrog going right unto the last season.
Also, the money thing. I 100% believe if Ocean dropped WiaB and focused solely on SG updates twice as fast, it's be great for him financially. But I don't want him to drop WiaB, because I see them as a joined story and well, Katie.
I went out to a live music thing last night, don't worry ...too much
I don't think Ocean will wait until season 3 for lewd scenes. He really go to get he ball rolling in season 2 especially regarding lewd scenes.
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my last music fest was defected croatia during the summer , Roger Sanchez and Idris Elba(YES ! , that Idris Elba) gigs were amazin and now waiting for summer 2025 'cause i'm planning to take vacations on Ibiza .I totally believe it. Nika as an MC doesn't know who Katie is or what she's done, and neither do we when we see here at the book club. So a "Hi, I'm Katie" hits us differently than if we've played a completed WiaB. Half the fun I have is seeing the connections grow in tandem. Not everyone is like me, I get that, but I'll stand by the idea that currently the mysteries in each play off each other, and create a meta narrative between the two. We wouldn't have theories otherwise.
This is why we're blind to the past - as we're seeing it from NIka's perspective, he doesn't know about the Zanes at all. A finished WiaB destroys that illusion. What in SG says anything ominous about Katie, ZPR or anything? We have that only because of WiaB. Nika is more worried about Noji hiding things from him than who Katie is or who Sasha's mom is. The only concerns Nika has 1. himself (all the things, pocket rockets, foggy brain etc) 2. mice infestations 3. girls. 4. basketball. Emilio is the only criminal (other than Bella) that he really knows.
The question is, how long can it go before Ocean drops spoilers for WiaB in SG? It would be stilted storytelling to keep the leapfrog going right unto the last season.
Also, the money thing. I 100% believe if Ocean dropped WiaB and focused solely on SG updates twice as fast, it's be great for him financially. But I don't want him to drop WiaB, because I see them as a joined story and well, Katie.
I went out to a live music thing last night, don't worry ...too much
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I don't think there'll be hardcore sex, but he most likely will be giving Bella an oral. I think it's implied in one of the previews.
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You brought out a very good point for the reasons why it makes sense to present these two games step-by-step simultaneously, that I've never thought about.I totally believe it. Nika as an MC doesn't know who Katie is or what she's done, and neither do we when we see here at the book club. So a "Hi, I'm Katie" hits us differently than if we've played a completed WiaB. Half the fun I have is seeing the connections grow in tandem. Not everyone is like me, I get that, but I'll stand by the idea that currently the mysteries in each play off each other, and create a meta narrative between the two. We wouldn't have theories otherwise.
This is why we're blind to the past - as we're seeing it from NIka's perspective, he doesn't know about the Zanes at all. A finished WiaB destroys that illusion. What in SG says anything ominous about Katie, ZPR or anything? We have that only because of WiaB. Nika is more worried about Noji hiding things from him than who Katie is or who Sasha's mom is. The only concerns Nika has 1. himself (all the things, pocket rockets, foggy brain etc) 2. mice infestations 3. girls. 4. basketball. Emilio is the only criminal (other than Bella) that he really knows.
The question is, how long can it go before Ocean drops spoilers for WiaB in SG? It would be stilted storytelling to keep the leapfrog going right unto the last season.
Also, the money thing. I 100% believe if Ocean dropped WiaB and focused solely on SG updates twice as fast, it's be great for him financially. But I don't want him to drop WiaB, because I see them as a joined story and well, Katie.
I went out to a live music thing last night, don't worry ...too much
Now I have a gut feeling that this has been Ocean's master plan from the very beginning exactly for the reasons you named here.
Initially he hoped that he could rely on Regium to be able to work on SG while he's working on WIAB himself and he's been working on both games since that hope failed, with this simultaneous presentation of both timelines step-by-step being one of the main reasons for pushing himself like that.
Sure, it may be good to switch between the games to avoid burnout and it would certainly be a shame to drop either of the games even temporarily to work on just a single one, but THIS is actually one of the main reasons that he's been keeping to himself - to keep the players of SG as blind about the past as Nika and the players of WIAB in the dark about whatever may happen in WIAB before the SG timeline starts, that may be revealed by SG.
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